Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

pcbothwel · Post #661 » by **pcbothwel** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:43 pm

Im all for trading Kuz given the right trade, but im not in a hurry as his contract is flat and will only become greater value next year. Harrell on the other hand absolutely needs to be moved at the deadline. The shine is starting to wear off and his defense is an issue.

jangles86 · Post #662 » by **jangles86** » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:05 pm

Surprising theres no talk of Brad Beal for Simmons.

FAH1223 · Post #663 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:31 am

pcbothwel wrote:Im all for trading Kuz given the right trade, but im not in a hurry as his contract is flat and will only become greater value next year. Harrell on the other hand absolutely needs to be moved at the deadline. The shine is starting to wear off and his defense is an issue.

Yup. I’m of the same mind there too.

FAH1223 · Post #664 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:34 am

For all you Simmons lovers!!!

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Post #665 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:05 pm

FAH1223 wrote:For all you Simmons lovers!!!

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I think Morey's in the Nile there if he thinks he's going to get Harden for Simmons - even though Harden is in decline - he's still the #2 guy on the team that leads the NBA East by 2.5 games.

FAH1223 · Post #666 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:08 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #667 » by **nate33** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:25 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

LOL

This is just clickbait for Lakers fans. It's impossible for the Lakers to acquire Simmons unless they trade Davis to get him. It's a complete waste of time to even discuss it.

Post #668 » by **nate33** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:27 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

The Wizards could fit nicely in here as a 3rd team.

Simmons to New Orleans
New Orleans picks and filler to DC (including their unprotected 2022 pick)
Beal to Sixers

9 and 20 · Post #669 » by **9 and 20** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:19 am

Yeah, I can't see Philly being too interested in picks for Simmons.

If we didn't start the season off so well and we were still losing right now, I could see Beal for picks happening. Maybe if we have the same terrible showings for the next several games in a row? As it stands though, I can't see Tommy throwing in the towel on the season if we're around .500 at the deadline. I'm the Wiz stance will be something like, 'injuries, COVID, the Rui thing, the new teammates - we want to see what we have and see if we can't make a run.'

It's defensible, I guess, but these last few games have shown that they're much closer to a .500 treadmill type team than something more.

A lot of the credit Tommy got for the Westbrook trade was that it made further transformation possible, not that it all of a sudden made us a contender. Honestly, I'd like to see him take advantage of the roster flexibility and make further changes.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #670 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:29 am

Out: Beal, Neto, Gil
In: Hield, Holmes, Mitchell

gambitx777 · Post #671 » by **gambitx777** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:08 pm

nate33 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

The Wizards could fit nicely in here as a 3rd team.

Simmons to New Orleans
New Orleans picks and filler to DC (including their unprotected 2022 pick)
Beal to Sixers

I have mentioned NO several times in this light. NO fits perfect as a team that could be involved in a 3 way involving Beal and simmons. They need more star power, has young talent, has filler contracts and a big chunky TPE, and lots of extra picks.
They have most of their own picks plus a Lakers or bucks first round pick for the next I think 4-5 years. Plus a bunch of Lakers and bucks pick swaps. They have some interesting young talent, Hayes, lewis, NAW, Murphy, louzada, and Jones.

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Post #672 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:47 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Yeah, I can't see Philly being too interested in picks for Simmons.

If we didn't start the season off so well and we were still losing right now, I could see Beal for picks happening. Maybe if we have the same terrible showings for the next several games in a row? As it stands though, I can't see Tommy throwing in the towel on the season if we're around .500 at the deadline. I'm the Wiz stance will be something like, 'injuries, COVID, the Rui thing, the new teammates - we want to see what we have and see if we can't make a run.'

It's defensible, I guess, but these last few games have shown that they're much closer to a .500 treadmill type team than something more.

A lot of the credit Tommy got for the Westbrook trade was that it made further transformation possible, not that it all of a sudden made us a contender. Honestly, I'd like to see him take advantage of the roster flexibility and make further changes.

We're about to lose 8 more games in a row. Maybe we will steal one of them and go 1-7. If that happens, then on January 4th, the team will have lost 18 of the previous 24 games and will be sitting on a 16-21 record.

Losing like that may make Sheppard reconsider. I agree with you that Sheppard deserves credit on the Westbrook trade for getting us much more flexibility and giving us some tradeable assets. But it clearly wasn't enough to put this team into the playoffs. That early success was a mirage. More work needs to be done.

Frichuela · Post #673 » by **Frichuela** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:02 pm

Yes, the silver lining is that if we are more than 5 games under 0.5 prior to the deadline maybe Brad expresses his openness to a trade and Tommy makes Terd see the light. This is our only hope...the thought of Terd paying Brad the super max is depressing...

Post #674 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:12 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Out: Beal, Neto, Gil
In: Hield, Holmes, Mitchell

That's terrible.

Holmes is good but redundant, and I don't see why Sacramento would be trading him anyway. For us, we are giving up Beal and only really getting back Mitchell.

At the very least, send Holmes to a third team like Charlotte to get back value.

Larry_Russell · Post #675 » by **Larry_Russell** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:48 pm

Will Rui be shopped do you guys think?

payitforward · Post #676 » by **payitforward** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:48 pm

We started the 2014-15 season 19-6 -- even better, way better, than this season's early success.

Then we went 27-30 the rest of the way & started the following season 23-28.

The "solution" was to trade for Markieff Morris. Giving a f'ing lottery pick!

Now, Tommy isn't Ernie. But... I wonder what we can expect.

queridiculo · Post #677 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:53 pm

As much as I would love for it to happen at this point, the Wizards aren't going to trade Beal.

Being proactive about extending assets and being realistic about the teams talent level has never been their MO.

The best Wizards fans can hope for is that Beal will save the Wizards from themselves and for him to ride off into the sunset with another team.

We've all seen it coming back in 2016 and this is just a continuation of the **** job Leonsis has done as the owner of this franchise.

Post #678 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:59 pm

queridiculo wrote:As much as I would love for it to happen at this point, the Wizards aren't going to trade Beal.

Being proactive about extending assets and being realistic about the teams talent level has never been their MO.

The best Wizards fans can hope for is that Beal will save the Wizards from themselves and for him to ride off into the sunset with another team.

We've all seen it coming back in 2016 and this is just a continuation of the **** job Leonsis has done as the owner of this franchise.

I think there's a very good chance they'll trade him, because if they keep losing ugly, he may request a trade.

Frichuela · Post #679 » by **Frichuela** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:03 pm

Ruzious wrote:
queridiculo wrote:As much as I would love for it to happen at this point, the Wizards aren't going to trade Beal.

Being proactive about extending assets and being realistic about the teams talent level has never been their MO.

The best Wizards fans can hope for is that Beal will save the Wizards from themselves and for him to ride off into the sunset with another team.

We've all seen it coming back in 2016 and this is just a continuation of the **** job Leonsis has done as the owner of this franchise.

I think there's a very good chance they'll trade him, because if they keep losing ugly, he may request a trade.

Realistically, this is our only chance. Losing so many consecutives games in this stretch that Beal sees finally the light. Other than that, however, I agree with Queridiculo, Terd's modus operandi is clear and he will resign Beal to the super max :banghead:

Post #680 » by **nate33** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:08 pm

payitforward wrote:We started the 2014-15 season 19-6 -- even better, way better, than this season's early success.

Then we went 27-30 the rest of the way & started the following season 23-28.

The "solution" was to trade for Markieff Morris. Giving a f'ing lottery pick!

Now, Tommy isn't Ernie. But... I wonder what we can expect.

At least then, the argument could be made that our middling success was on the backs of two very young guards who would continue to improve. The idea of sacrificing future picks to add more win-now talent was at least plausibly defensible.

Now, our "success" is on the backs of guys aged 28-29 who will probably start to decline in the next year or two if they're not declining already (Beal, Harrell, KCP, Dinwiddie, Bertans). There's no reason to think that the roster as currently constructed can get much better. We can only count on incremental improvement out of a few younger role players (Avdija, Kispert, Rui, Bryant).

It's time to blow it up. Trade everyone over 25 years old and tank.