Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

dobrojim · Post #681 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:12 pm

Birdman has been mentioned a few times as a player that JV should aspire to
be like. I think another one could be Noah. Not saying that JV has the physicality
to do that right now as far as banging in the post goes, but there is no reason he
shouldn't be able to imitate much of the rest of Noah's game. Rebound and run.
Step out hard on PnR. Get weakside blocks.

During the 11-12 season at the end I was sitting by an agent (not JV's AFAIK)
who in talking about euros generally said it can take 4 years for them to develop.

Not holding my breath on this happening but not completely writing off the possibility
either.

verbal8 · Post #682 » by **verbal8** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:17 pm

dobrojim wrote:During the 11-12 season at the end I was sitting by an agent (not JV's AFAIK)
who in talking about euros generally said it can take 4 years for them to develop.

Not holding my breath on this happening but not completely writing off the possibility
either.

He hasn't show it with any consistency yet, but I think serviceable big is a possible outcome for Vesely's career.

It is pretty clear that Franchise(or is it Janchise) SF will not be the story of his career.

80sballboy · Post #683 » by **80sballboy** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:25 pm

Before last night's game, Vesely was 7-for-21 with 17 rebounds and eight turnovers in the first two games. While Game 3 was encouraging, how about doing it consistently against inferior competition.

Dat2U · Post #684 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:39 pm

dobrojim wrote:During the 11-12 season at the end I was sitting by an agent (not JV's AFAIK)
who in talking about euros generally said it can take 4 years for them to develop.

Not holding my breath on this happening but not completely writing off the possibility
either.

I wrote off the possibility when he was drafted. He was supposedly polished, high IQ 21 year old who was ready to step and contribute after playing high level competition overseas. Sounds great except for the fact he was a tweener forward with almost no skill.

Now he's a 23 yr old who looked terrible in his first two games into his 3rd summer with the Wizards. He finally had a game were he wasn't a complete embarrassment. Big whoop. I simply can't get excited, did anyone remember what the Knicks summer league front line did to him the other night? Apparently not.

Nivek · Post #685 » by **Nivek** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:23 pm

dobrojim wrote:During the 11-12 season at the end I was sitting by an agent (not JV's AFAIK)
who in talking about euros generally said it can take 4 years for them to develop.

Not holding my breath on this happening but not completely writing off the possibility
either.

I'm highly skeptical of generalizations like this.

For example, Dirk was above average in his 2nd season and playing at an All-NBA level in his third year.

Kirilenko was excellent as a rookie and got better. He was playing at an All-NBA level in his third year.

Andrea Bargnani was terrible his first couple years; approached averaged his third year; then has been up and down since then. His best year was his 6th season.

Biedrins was below average in his first couple seasons, then got better. His best season was year 4.

I don't have time for a full-bore study, but if someone wants to put together a reasonably comprehensive list of "Euro" players, I am at least a little interested in the veracity of this claim.

BigA · Post #686 » by **BigA** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:10 pm

Dat2U wrote:He was supposedly polished, high IQ 21 year old who was ready to step and contribute after playing high level competition overseas. Sounds great except for the fact he was a tweener forward with almost no skill.

I hate when that happens.

Weganator · Post #687 » by **Weganator** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:33 pm

80sballboy wrote:Before last night's game, Vesely was 7-for-21 with 17 rebounds and eight turnovers in the first two games. While Game 3 was encouraging, how about doing it consistently against inferior competition.

Just a quick heads up.. he went 7-for-14. I had to look it up because something about it clanged when I read that seeing as how watching the games he looks really efficient (for Vesely).

Also, i think the turnovers were mostly him losing focus when he wouldn't get the ball for long stretches of time. In game 3 when he was much more involved in the offense he was able to bring his turnover rate way down.

hands11 · Post #688 » by **hands11** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:02 am

Really glad Ves showed up for summer ball instead of just playing the international ball.

I think this was really good for him. He started to regain his confidence. Now I think the international ball experience will help him even more. Then back to training camp with the Wizards. Just feels more like an integrated plan then if he stayed away longer.

I'm liking what I am seeing so far. Things are heading in the right direction from what I can see.

I hope he does well over there and gains some more confidence and momentum.

80sballboy · Post #689 » by **80sballboy** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:01 pm

I think what you're looking for in Vesely and Singleton is consistency. One nice jumper, next is an airball. Singleton hits a turnaround jumper, next play he throws it away. Vesely is light years ahead of where he was last year, but is that enough to propel him for more minutes next year as a backup 4 and 5? Will he put on 10 more pounds to withstand the contact? I don't have a lot of hope but I think if ever gets his head straight, he might be a decent player. Singleton showed some range but to me, he's the ultimate tweener.

nuposse04 · Post #690 » by **nuposse04** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:42 pm

80sballboy wrote:I think what you're looking for in Vesely and Singleton is consistency. One nice jumper, next is an airball. Singleton hits a turnaround jumper, next play he throws it away. Vesely is light years ahead of where he was last year, but is that enough to propel him for more minutes next year as a backup 4 and 5? Will he put on 10 more pounds to withstand the contact? I don't have a lot of hope but I think if ever gets his head straight, he might be a decent player. Singleton showed some range but to me, he's the ultimate tweener.

In singleton's case at least...I don't think he'll be asked to do much dribbling as a stretch forward.

Vesely will be left open A LOT still so its on him to make the proper play. Whether that is confidently taking a shot or driving to the basket competently. There aren't going to be many people who can block his shot so he just needs to shoot it with confidence.

gwizz · Post #691 » by **gwizz** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:10 pm

Forget stats, Vessely needs to embrace a kind of mini-birdman roll off the bench, like 10-12 minutes of high flying-high foul energy minutes that would be perfect...

we all know by now he is not going to be a star or even a truly serviceable roll player.. so get out there get some put backs get some fouls, fly around (air wolf).. he needs to stop trying to do this-and-that with his game and just get out there and hustle his ass off.

Higga · Post #692 » by **Higga** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:12 pm

gwizz wrote:Forget stats, Vessely needs to embrace a kind of mini-birdman roll off the bench, like 10-12 minutes of high flying-high foul energy minutes that would be perfect...

we all know by now he is not going to be a star or even a truly serviceable roll player.. so get out there get some put backs get some fouls, fly around (air wolf).. he needs to stop trying to do this-and-that with his game and just get out there and hustle his ass off.

I'd be thrilled if he became Birdman. Kinda sad for the #6 overall pick but you gotta salvage what you can and move on...

Post #693 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:21 pm

Higga wrote:
gwizz wrote:Forget stats, Vessely needs to embrace a kind of mini-birdman roll off the bench, like 10-12 minutes of high flying-high foul energy minutes that would be perfect...

we all know by now he is not going to be a star or even a truly serviceable roll player.. so get out there get some put backs get some fouls, fly around (air wolf).. he needs to stop trying to do this-and-that with his game and just get out there and hustle his ass off.

I'd be thrilled if he became Birdman. Kinda sad for the #6 overall pick but you gotta salvage what you can and move on...

I know a doctor named Moreau who says he can take care of it. He operates on an island and has an opening right away.

Dat2U · Post #694 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:33 pm

Problem with the Birdman comparison is that Birdman is far better rebounder. If Ves rebounded at a respectable level then we might be on to something.

hands11 · Post #695 » by **hands11** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:30 am

Post #696 » by **montestewart** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:35 am

Ruzious wrote:I know a doctor named Moreau who says he can take care of it. He operates on an island and has an opening right away.

hands11 wrote:

What are you guys saying? Say it ain't so Jan.

dangermouse · Post #697 » by **dangermouse** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:43 pm

http://instagram.com/p/cUhC9ttYL6/

Guys... chill out guys.

He's working hard.

Check it out.

Look at all those baskets, swish swish swish!

Nivek · Post #698 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:50 pm

Is it too soon for the Wizards to start talking max extension with Vesely?

Dat2U · Post #699 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:15 pm

Nivek wrote:Is it too soon for the Wizards to start talking max extension with Vesely?

So the countdown begins on the Vesely extension watch.

I fully expect this board to erupt if Vesely's option gets picked up for the '14-'15 season.

Post #700 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:Is it too soon for the Wizards to start talking max extension with Vesely?

So the countdown begins on the Vesely extension watch.

I fully expect this board to erupt if Vesely's option gets picked up for the '14-'15 season.

If we had ANY GM other than EG, I'd feel comfortable knowing we won't pick up his option, but it would take EG admitting he made a mistake to not pick it up. So color me concerned.

Is Jan Vesely a Bust?