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Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0

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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#681 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:18 pm

Halcyon wrote:Highlights from the game.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_I4hhRKVjU[/youtube]

There's a play at the 4:18 mark that struck me. Wall goes left to right off a high screen from Okafor. Okafor's defender has to slide over to stop Wall's penetration, leaving Okafor open for the 15 footer. What's interesting is the play of Mike Conley off the ball. Conley is covering Cartier Martin who is camped out in the left corner. He was easily close enough to shift over to Okafor to prevent the open jump shot. But the problem for Conley is that Wall has gotten so good at the skip pass to the corner that Conley was afraid to leave Cartier Martin. This is where Wall's height at PG has become so effective. He can throw that skip pass on a rope because he has the height to get it off over the defender without much arc. It really helps to spread the floor.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#682 » by B-easy » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:21 pm

Some interesting stats:

His PER is 20.20 now, in his last 10 games it is 30.61, behind only Lebron James (31.00).

TS% is up to league average of 53.2%. Was below 50 a couple of weeks ago.

From 16'' to the 3point line he is shooting 40.1%. Better than Kobe bryant.

NBA.com had some intersting stats here as well. He is shooting 48% (!) from mid range THIS MONTH.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#683 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:28 pm

B-easy wrote:Some interesting stats:

His PER is 20.20 now, in his last 10 games it is 30.61, behind only Lebron James (31.00).

TS% is up to league average of 53.2%. Was below 50 a couple of weeks ago.

From 16'' to the 3point line he is shooting 40.1%. Better than Kobe bryant.

NBA.com had some intersting stats here as well. He is shooting 48% (!) from mid range THIS MONTH.

Good stuff, B-easy.

It's also worth noting that his TOV% for the season is now lower than the last two seasons and has been extremely low over the past 10 games.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#684 » by keynote » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:40 pm

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Halcyon wrote:Highlights from the game.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_I4hhRKVjU[/youtube]

There's a play at the 4:18 mark that struck me. Wall goes left to right off a high screen from Okafor. Okafor's defender has to slide over to stop Wall's penetration, leaving Okafor open for the 15 footer. What's interesting is the play of Mike Conley off the ball. Conley is covering Cartier Martin who is camped out in the left corner. He was easily close enough to shift over to Okafor to prevent the open jump shot. But the problem for Conley is that Wall has gotten so good at the skip pass to the corner that Conley was afraid to leave Cartier Martin. This is where Wall's height at PG has become so effective. He can throw that skip pass on a rope because he has the height to get it off over the defender without much arc. It really helps to spread the floor.


This. Like I said in the game thread, it's like Wall is running the option out of the pistol offense. Defenders are frozen, because Wall can take the shot, dish to the big for the pick n' pop, or hit the bullet skip pass to the corner. He's showing the ability to quickly read the defense and make the right decision based on what they're giving him.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#685 » by jmrosenth » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:15 pm

I just watched the highlight package and now have to wipe the drool off my keyboard.

I tweeted a few days ago that Wall looks ready to join Harper and RGIII in a future Mt. Rushmore of DC sports. Exciting.
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Post#686 » by daSwami » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:32 pm

Turns out it was not too early at all to start talking about a max contract. Nobody in the league has played better since he said that, NOBODY. If he gets maxed out (and he clearly will) he have done so because he's EARNED it. Maybe David Falk would consider taking him on as a client after all.

The Wall/Beal backcourt has as much potential for greatness as any backcourt in the league. I haven't been this excited about a backcourt duo since Strickland/Richmond. (maybe shoulda green fonted that last clause).
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#687 » by DCZards » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:37 pm

daSwami wrote:Turns out it was not too early at all to start talking about a max contract. Nobody in the league has played better since he said that, NOBODY. If he gets maxed out (and he clearly will) he have done so because he's EARNED it. Maybe David Falk would consider taking him on as a client after all.

The Wall/Beal backcourt has as much potential for greatness as any backcourt in the league. I haven't been this excited about a backcourt duo since Strickland/Richmond. (maybe shoulda green fonted that last clause).



No need to green font. I'd take a "young" Strickland/Richmond backcourt any day and that's very similar to what the Zards have in Wall/Beal. Strick was the sweetest of penetrators and passers (led the league in assists at least once) and that's similar to what the Zards have in Wall. And I was comparing Beal to Mitch "The Rock" Richmond before the Zards even drafted him.

As for Wall being worth a max contract, we've debated that issue on this thread for the last few weeks. The questions seem to be whether the Wizards should offer Wall a max this offseason, offer him less than max this offseason and see if he bites, or wait until the summer of 2014 after they have a better idea as to whether he's worth a max contract. John's recent play may have made that decision easier. If his play continues at this level for the rest of the season, I think you offer Wall the max contract and lock in the idea of building around him and Beal.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#689 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:52 pm

DCZards wrote:As for Wall being worth a max contract, we've debated that issue on this thread for the last few weeks. The questions seem to be whether the Wizards should offer Wall a max this offseason, offer him less than max this offseason and see if he bites, or wait until the summer of 2014 after they have a better idea as to whether he's worth a max contract. John's recent play may have made that decision easier. If his play continues at this level for the rest of the season, I think you offer Wall the max contract and lock in the idea of building around him and Beal.

I agree with this. If Wall finishes out April with averages similar to his March numbers, there's just no way he won't get a max offer from somebody in 2014. With that being a certainty, we may as well offer the extension this summer.

My reluctance to paying him a max salary was based on his play prior to March. This March changes everything. I realize that his recent production is probably unsustainable, but the fact that he can produce like this for any length of time at all demonstrates that he is a legit star, and superstardom is a definite possibility.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#690 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:01 pm

His PER is now up to 20, 6th among pgs. His TS% is up to 53%, same as Westbrook.

Funny how both Wall and Beal had such sudden, dramatic turnarounds in the middle of the season.
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Post#691 » by Tyrone Messby » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:08 pm

What I thought was great was that he slowed it down for himself and his team in the 3rd quarter. He was a facilitator while saving up all of his energy for the 4th because he knew he would need to give it all he had. Man, what.an.awesome.game.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#692 » by Nivek » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:14 pm

Did my weekly stat update over at the blog along with a look at Wall's play of late.

Here's a quick look at some some PPA numbers from the piece.

- Lebron James (season) -- 276
- Chris Paul (season) -- 256
- Kevin Durant (season) -- 231
- Tim Duncan (season) -- 217
- Tony Parker (season) -- 202
- League Average -- 100
- Wall (January) -- 91
- Wall (February) -- 55
- Wall (March) -- 223

And, by the way, Lebron's 276 would be the best single-season PPA since 1977-78 (which is where my database ends at the moment).
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#693 » by FAH1223 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:24 pm

Nivek wrote:Did my weekly stat update over at the blog along with a look at Wall's play of late.

Here's a quick look at some some PPA numbers from the piece.

- Lebron James (season) -- 276
- Chris Paul (season) -- 256
- Kevin Durant (season) -- 231
- Tim Duncan (season) -- 217
- Tony Parker (season) -- 202
- League Average -- 100
- Wall (January) -- 91
- Wall (February) -- 55
- Wall (March) -- 223

And, by the way, Lebron's 276 would be the best single-season PPA since 1977-78 (which is where my database ends at the moment).


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Post#694 » by Higga » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:40 pm

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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#695 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:15 pm

B-easy wrote:Some interesting stats:

His PER is 20.20 now, in his last 10 games it is 30.61, behind only Lebron James (31.00).

TS% is up to league average of 53.2%. Was below 50 a couple of weeks ago.

From 16'' to the 3point line he is shooting 40.1%. Better than Kobe bryant.

NBA.com had some intersting stats here as well. He is shooting 48% (!) from mid range THIS MONTH.



Amazing stats, Wow 30.61 per :o
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Post#696 » by Upper Decker » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:15 pm

I am amazed by the about face improvement from Wall. I mean it wasn't long ago when Wall had his 1-12 7 TO game against Toronto, or his 3-9 7 TO game against Detroit. I view these games with heightened skepticism because we've seen players have incredible stretches towards the end of the season when the Wiz were securely out of the playoffs (2010 Blatche, 2012 Seraphin).

However, if this is truly Walls coming out party than this team fully healthy is championship caliber. Will they win a championship, prolly not, but beside the Heat no team in the East scares me. Washington could be the two seed. The formula for winning is excellent defense (check), excellent shooting to spread the floor (check), an all-nba caliber player (with the way Wall’s currently playing, check).

The two main questions going into next year.

1) Will Wall maintain this excellent level of play?
2) Will Bradley Beal take the next step?

If the answer to those two questions are ‘yes’ than Washington will be a top-5 team in the NBA next year.
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Post#697 » by DCZards » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:27 pm

tontoz wrote:Funny how both Wall and Beal had such sudden, dramatic turnarounds in the middle of the season.



In Wall's case I think the answer is simple -- better health. It took time for Wall to get his leg strength, which is critical to shooting well, and conditioning back after being sidelined for almost 4 months. We're seeing a far different Wall now than we saw his first 20 or so games back because he's much healthier...and he's obviously been working on his game. Kudos to Johnny Ballgame.
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Post#698 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:28 pm

Upper Decker wrote:The formula for winning is excellent defense (check), excellent shooting to spread the floor (check), an all-nba caliber player (with the way Wall’s currently playing, check).

The two main questions going into next year.

1) Will Wall maintain this excellent level of play?
2) Will Bradley Beal take the next step?

If the answer to those two questions are ‘yes’ than Washington will be a top-5 team in the NBA next year.

This is a compelling argument. We do indeed have an excellent defense and excellent shooting on the wings. Our problem was that the primary engine of our offense (Wall, or, at times, Price) was an inefficient shooter and turnover prone. If you plug in a top 10 player and high-efficiency offensive threat and playmaker into that role, the offense should be at least above-average, and perhaps very good. An above average offense plus an elite defense should be a top 5 team, particularly when playing against East competition.

Of course, it's a little hard to believe that Wall has made such an incredible leap in such a short period of time. The more likely scenario is that he isn't as bad as he looked during that February slump, and he's not as good as he has looked in March. The John Wall of next year will probably be more of a Russell Westbrook good-but-sometimes-frustrating type of PG rather than the Chris Paul/Tony Parker uber-efficient elite PG. It's going to take a while for Wall to be consistent. With that the case, I expect our offense to be modestly below-average next year (say, 15th-20th overall) with our defense being very good (5th or so). That would still put us as a consistent, winning team that should finish in the top 5 in the East, but not quite up there with the actual contenders.
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Post#699 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:31 pm

Upper Decker wrote:I am amazed by the about face improvement from Wall. I mean it wasn't long ago when Wall had his 1-12 7 TO game against Toronto, or his 3-9 7 TO game against Detroit. I view these games with heightened skepticism because we've seen players have incredible stretches towards the end of the season when the Wiz were securely out of the playoffs (2010 Blatche, 2012 Seraphin).

However, if this is truly Walls coming out party than this team fully healthy is championship caliber. Will they win a championship, prolly not, but beside the Heat no team in the East scares me. Washington could be the two seed. The formula for winning is excellent defense (check), excellent shooting to spread the floor (check), an all-nba caliber player (with the way Wall’s currently playing, check).

The two main questions going into next year.

1) Will Wall maintain this excellent level of play?
2) Will Bradley Beal take the next step?

If the answer to those two questions are ‘yes’ than Washington will be a top-5 team in the NBA next year.



Not necessarily. You are assuming exceptionally good health. This team is very thin and that issue needs to be addressed this offseason.
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Post#700 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:36 pm

DCZards wrote:
tontoz wrote:Funny how both Wall and Beal had such sudden, dramatic turnarounds in the middle of the season.



In Wall's case I think the answer is simple -- better health. It took time for Wall to get his leg strength, which is critical to shooting well, and conditioning back after being sidelined for almost 4 months. We're seeing a far different Wall now than we saw his first 20 or so games back because he's much healthier...and he's obviously been working on his game. Kudos to Johnny Ballgame.



While i am sure that is part of it you don't get conditioning back all of a sudden. Even when he had days off between games he was still throwing up bricks. He was also making a lot of dumb, unforced turnovers.

Not complaining though lol, just curious what has been going on behind the scenes.

I noticed that he just started using a hesitation dribble out of the blue the last couple of games. Steve Smith used to use something similar all the time. Smith was slow but he would use that move to freeze the defender and go right past them. Even when other players knew it was coming it would still work.
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