Bradley Beal - Part III

Post #681 » by **nate33** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:02 pm

Beal's recent slump is bringing down his averages. He now has a lower WS/48, lower ORtg, lower TS% and lower on/off differential than last year. Only his rebounding and his FTA's are significantly better than last year, which is fortunate because those things are arguably more controllable than shooting percentage and therefore more likely to be sustained.

His BPM is better, bolstered in large part by his DBPM. ESPN's defensive RPM stat also backs up that Beal's defense has improved.

NatP4 · Post #682 » by **NatP4** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:25 pm

If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

Post #683 » by **nate33** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:56 pm

NatP4 wrote:If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

I'm not too worried either. He's thinking too much about his shot right now and it's got him into slump. He has definitely short-armed a bunch of midrange jumpers over the last few games. He'll break out of it eventually.

I am starting to wonder if he is about to reach his plateau, though. That's not a criticism. This would be a pretty good place to plateau and would likely rank him as a top 5 SG and borderline All-Star every year for the next 6-8 years. I'm just not sure he has a new level to get to. I don't see him becoming a dominant, All-NBA Team type of talent. He is still so very dependent on scoring within the system. He's not an isolation scorer and I don't think he ever will be.

In comparison, I don't get the sense that Porter has reached any kind of plateau yet. I have no idea how much better he will get, but I'm pretty confident he will get better.

Wizardspride · Post #684 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

I'm not too worried either. He's thinking too much about his shot right now and it's got him into slump. He has definitely short-armed a bunch of midrange jumpers over the last few games. He'll break out of it eventually.

I am starting to wonder if he is about to reach his plateau, though. That's not a criticism. This would be a pretty good place to plateau and would likely rank him as a top 5 SG and borderline All-Star every year for the next 6-8 years. I'm just not sure he has a new level to get to. I don't see him becoming a dominant, All-NBA Team type of talent. He is still so very dependent on scoring within the system. He's not an isolation scorer and I don't think he ever will be.

In comparison, I don't get the sense that Porter has reached any kind of plateau yet. I have no idea how much better he will get, but I'm pretty confident he will get better.

You may be right about Brad...but personally, I think he has another level or two he can ascend to.

Heck, coming into last year many people thought John had peaked and we all know what happened.

Now look at Otto and Kelly.

Honestly, that's why I still have hope that we could make a deep run this season.

Yeah, we don't have the deepest team but imo, our top four guys are REALLY good and still have room to grow.

ClutchDJ · Post #685 » by **ClutchDJ** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:45 pm

NatP4 wrote:If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

Outside of when it’s time to make make crucial shots/FTs, I agree.

Post #686 » by **nate33** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:49 pm

ClutchDJ wrote:
NatP4 wrote:If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

Outside of when it’s time to make make crucial shots/FTs, I agree.

Yeah, Beal's lack of clutchness has been a real problem this year. It was the same way two years ago. Last year, however, he was solid in the clutch.

NatP4 · Post #687 » by **NatP4** » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:50 pm

nate33 wrote:
ClutchDJ wrote:
NatP4 wrote:If there is one player I never worry about, it’s Bradley Beal. He will bounce back, Brooks has been using him like he’s a PG, which we all know he isn’t. He’s a secondary ball handling primary scorer, not the other way around

Outside of when it’s time to make make crucial shots/FTs, I agree.

Yeah, Beal's lack of clutchness has been a real problem this year. It was the same way two years ago. Last year, however, he was solid in the clutch.

doesn't matter when you have Paul Pierce Jr. as the go to guy in crunch time.

dcstanley · Post #688 » by **dcstanley** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:28 pm

Beal had some pretty excellent fourth quarters during last years playoffs. I think the narrative that he isn't a reliable clutch player is a little exaggerated.

CobraCommander · Post #689 » by **CobraCommander** » Sat Dec 2, 2017 3:18 am

dcstanley wrote:Beal had some pretty excellent fourth quarters during last years playoffs. I think the narrative that he isn't a reliable clutch player is a little exaggerated.

CobraCommander · Post #690 » by **CobraCommander** » Sat Dec 2, 2017 3:24 am

If Brooks gets Beal off being the primary ball handler (and Beal doesn’t ignore the point when he comes for the ball) maybe we can see him start producing like he was when Wall is in the game. Beal could be great but there is a reason why he hasn’t received the national attention and its not because he plays in DC. Beal is considered a good sidekick to Wall like CJ to Dame...but no one raves about the sidekick. If Brooks doesn’t put Beal in better positions or Wall doesn’t come back, I fear Beal will miss the allstar team...and I think being an allstar matters to Beal. I put 90% of Beals struggles on Brooks and I hope we can get Brooks to coach to the talent of his 3 Stars instead of iso Wall and iso Beal and forget Otto in clutch time (one game isn’t a trend)...we need to see Brooks coachem up!

dcstanley · Post #691 » by **dcstanley** » Sat Dec 2, 2017 5:20 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
dcstanley wrote:Beal had some pretty excellent fourth quarters during last years playoffs. I think the narrative that he isn't a reliable clutch player is a little exaggerated.

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CobraCommander · Post #692 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 3, 2017 3:33 am

dcstanley wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
dcstanley wrote:Beal had some pretty excellent fourth quarters during last years playoffs. I think the narrative that he isn't a reliable clutch player is a little exaggerated.

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This year... FT and bunnies in clutch time...no need to argue with me. Beal has said this himself.

Beal is a stand up guy...he actually KNOWs he needs to get better in clutch time which gives the Wiz fans HOPE beyond Hope that he will continue to improve. Unlike another DC superstar (cough cough RG3) that blamed everyone else for his failings...Beal is more pissed off with himself than we could ever be.

Wall and Beal seem to get it more than most of their fans do... for them to be elite they have to win the games they should win and make the shots that they SHOULD make before worrying about the impossible stuff like winning a ring. Beal will be aight and will be clutch again.

One way to really be clutch is...punish inferior teams so badly that by the time the 4th quarter rolls around you on the bench with ice on your knees watching the back ups - wrap up.

Wizardspride · Post #693 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 12:58 am

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OzCastiel · Post #694 » by **OzCastiel** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 5:03 am

Incredible performance from Beal. Not sure if he can get much better than what he is but what he did while barely getting to the line was special

NatP4 · Post #695 » by **NatP4** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 4:27 am

Trying to picture Beal doing this as a rookie.

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NatP4 · Post #696 » by **NatP4** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 4:42 am

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Wizardspride · Post #697 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:28 pm

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payitforward · Post #698 » by **payitforward** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:08 pm

Beal's 3 pt. % is down (lowest of his career, in fact), his 2pt. % is down, & his FT % is down. Hence his TS% is down. As a result, he's by no means the player this year that he was last year -- despite some great games.

OTOH, he's still way better than he was any of the previous years, & there's plenty of time for him to bring his production up.

Shanghai Kid · Post #699 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:25 pm

payitforward wrote:Beal's 3 pt. % is down (lowest of his career, in fact), his 2pt. % is down, & his FT % is down. Hence his TS% is down. As a result, he's by no means the player this year that he was last year -- despite some great games.

OTOH, he's still way better than he was any of the previous years, & there's plenty of time for him to bring his production up.

You know, probably only one of Wall or Beal are going to make the All-Star game. It would appear to be Beal, but Wall has a full two months before the All-Star game to catch up and has a much bigger reputation around the league. Hell Wall might just on reputation alone make it over Beal.

Ideally, the chase for that spot results in both of them playing amazing. I do believe that Beal overall plays better with Wall.

Post #700 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:29 pm

payitforward wrote:Beal's 3 pt. % is down (lowest of his career, in fact), his 2pt. % is down, & his FT % is down. Hence his TS% is down. As a result, he's by no means the player this year that he was last year -- despite some great games.

OTOH, he's still way better than he was any of the previous years, & there's plenty of time for him to bring his production up.

He had an ORtg of 114 and a TS% of .589 up through the second Miami game (with a higher USG% than last year: 28.8%). After that Wall got hurt, teams focused on shutting down Beal, and his efficiency dropped.

Hopefully, when Wall gets back, he'll return to the guy he was the first 15 games of the season. The good news is that his rebounding and FTA's are up.