Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards

[DCZards]

Keep in mind that the trade deadline has passed, so we won't be dealing Mahinmi any time soon. The better Bojan is the better the offers he'll receive. Good for him. You want to let Otto Porter walk? Nah, i didn't think so.... Bojan won't be with us next year.

PIF, are you saying that the Zards can't resign both Bojan and Porter?

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Bogey is gonna get Jared Dudley $ from someone. I thought he was in his early 30s, but he's only 26.

Question is who do you move, especially if Ted won't pay the luxury tax. Gotta think they'll try and move Mahinmi if they can, but more than likely Gortat's the guy they move.

Gortat is an iron man. Mahinmi is made of glass. If we can only afford one, it has to be Gortat.

I think a more likely scenario is Jason Smith is moved. That should provide enough luxtax room.

How? Also, why...? Smith makes a below average salary, no?

If we assume for a moment that Bojan gets a $10m offer, how do we get to 13-14 players & stay under the tax. Or, if you prefer, assume that Otto gets a max from us, how much can we afford to pay Bojan?

I know you've gone through a similar exercise, but not w/ Bojan getting an 8 figure offer I don't think. Hence, I have trouble seeing how this would work.

[J-Ves]

I wonder what Bogie will go for in the offseason. When we got him I was thinking 4yr/ $36m was somewhat reasonable for his skills, but he has played way better than expected. Ultimately his salary ceiling is caped by his flaws (no defense, no rebounding) and he won't shoot 60% from 3 for long, but right now I'm thinking his value is more like 4yr/ $64 m on the free market.

[Kanyewest]

The parameters for calling this a successful trade haven't changed.

- provide solid production
- resign
- don't lose Porter

If any of those aren't met it's pretty much a terrible deal.

I would say it becomes a mediocre deal if 2 of the 3 are met, specifically if the Wizards re-sign Porter and if Bogdanovic is productive on a Kyle Korver level. I wouldn't give EG too much credit though since he signed Nicholson to that contract. Right now, the Wizards are certainly contenders to make it to the conference finals and potentially get past Cleveland. Of course, Wall/Porter/Morris are going to have to start playing like they did before the all star break.

Bonus points if Chris McCullough is a productive player. Potentially, Porter could sacrifice some of his salary as well as Bogdanovic; part of me is waiting to see it before I believe it given some of the contracts that EG has handed out. David Falk being Porter's agent doesn't help either. Then again, does Porter really want to take a pay raise to go to the Nets?

[MDStar]

I'm not so sure that keeping Porter has any direct relationship to Bogdanovic. There seems to be a complete certainty among board members that Porter is a must keep (at any price) and I just don't know that I 100% subscribe to that line of thinking. For me it comes back to the big three concept from a salary perspective. Do we feel comfortable that a core of Wall, Beal and Porter, making a combined 66% of the cap next year and even more in 2019 when Wall is up for a new contract?

Put it like this, during the 2019 season we could easily see the three of them making over 75 million of a 105-110 million dollar cap. So while I love Porter, his potential, and everything about his game within the current structure of the Wizards roster, does it really make sense to give him a max deal with two other better players on the roster, also on max deal? I'm not saying it is or isn't but just that I'm not sure either way.

[pepe1991]

And it's not going to be in DC.

We wasted a 1st round pick for 25 games plus postseason of Bojan.

Ernie Grunfeld sucks again.

23-26 range pick that most of the time gives you bench warmer that ends up in China after third, sometimes even after second season. btw Nicholson was 19# pick, what a value

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

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lol: The peanut gallery went from "Bojan is a bad/net negative player and won't help us, because of my advanced stats that say ____" to "Bojan is too good, he's going to get paid and we can't retain him"

Actually, you just wrote the peanut gallery post.

Bojan is who he is. That's obvious. And now...

Tell me, do you agree with this? The better Bojan plays the better the off-season FA offer he'll receive.
Yes or no?

Now tell me, do you agree with this? The more it costs to keep Bojan a Wizard the less likely it is that he is a Wizard next year.
Yes or no?

Got any value to add to that? At all?

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...We have 14 years of track record.

He deserves no credit for the top 3 players. Most of us on this board were projecting those 3 at the time of those drafts.

People were projecting Porter to be the pick because of the Georgetown connection with Ted. Many people wanted/hoped for Nerlens Noel.

And at least 50% of this board was bashing the FO for not trading Beal, and then subsequently maxing him. The Gortat and Morris trades were panned as bad moves. The Gortat 5yr extension was panned. I could go on ..

Could you really? If you did would it include the following?

I don't remember you wanting Porter Wasn't it Anthony Bennett you wanted? Or maybe Alex Len?

I don't remember you calling for Beal to be maxxed. Did you? Nah, I didn't think so.

Didn't you oppose the Gortat extension @$12m/year as more than he was worth? Yeah, I thought so. If we hadn't extended him, how could the trade have been good?

What do you like about the Morris trade?

[maRioGrande]

And it's not going to be in DC.

We wasted a 1st round pick for 25 games plus postseason of Bojan.

Ernie Grunfeld sucks again.

23-26 range pick that most of the time gives you bench warmer that ends up in China after third, sometimes even after second season. btw Nicholson was 19# pick, what a value

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong

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Actually, the 'peanut gallery' was completely consistent. The logic is simple - either he's a one dimensional gunner and not worth the cost (4 salary controlled years of a potentially superior rookie), or he's better than that and the team can't keep him... so he's still not worth the cost.

There isn't very much grey to find between those points of logic. It was a bandaid move, not one that brings long-term sustainable success. You know, just like almost every other move Ernie has made.

So what happens when we find out that Ernie got the green light to trade for Bojan because Ted told him they would pay the luxury tax.

I mean the report did say that they wanted a controllable contract, with the plan to resign him.

So, this means that when we find out that Ted will not pay the luxury tax, you will be wrong? Is that what you're saying? Ok to remind you when that's what happens?

Not to mention that your two sentences bear no relation to each other. Who doesn't "want a controllable contract," nat? What would make Bojan's next contract "controllable?"

[leswizards]

Bogey is gonna get Jared Dudley $ from someone. I thought he was in his early 30s, but he's only 26.

Question is who do you move, especially if Ted won't pay the luxury tax. Gotta think they'll try and move Mahinmi if they can, but more than likely Gortat's the guy they move.

Markief Morris and Jason Smith will be the easiest to move and replace (especially if Bogdanovic can play the 4 almost exclusively).

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Keep in mind that the trade deadline has passed, so we won't be dealing Mahinmi any time soon. The better Bojan is the better the offers he'll receive. Good for him. You want to let Otto Porter walk? Nah, i didn't think so.... Bojan won't be with us next year.

PIF, are you saying that the Zards can't resign both Bojan and Porter?

That's certainly how it looks, Zards.

As you also read, nate thinks trading Smith might make it possible. I don't follow that, but nate is good w/ this stuff so he may be right. Yet... I can't see how!

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23-26 range pick that most of the time gives you bench warmer that ends up in China after third, sometimes even after second season. btw Nicholson was 19# pick, what a value

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong

Not because he's from Croatia! A beautiful place, full of incredible history. Split. Dubrovnik. Terrific food & wine, etc. In fact, it's possible that pepe is the only thing wrong with Croatia! Then again, it's not something I have to worry about any more!

[NatP4]

So what happens when we find out that Ernie got the green light to trade for Bojan because Ted told him they would pay the luxury tax.

I mean the report did say that they wanted a controllable contract, with the plan to resign him.

The Verizon Ctr. has been on fire lately, with great attendance and crowd enthusiasm the best that I've seen it in for any regular season games...and I've been a full or partial season ticket holder for almost 20 years.

Ted sees what I see and he knows that increased attendance means more money, more money, more money. So, yes, I think he might be willing to pay the luxury tax for keep this act together.

Ernie is probably bathing in benjamins right now. Caps are a legit Stanley Cup contender, they're selling out every home game and the Wiz seem to be turning a corner.

Caps aren't real contenders. They have had great regular season success once again yes.

[leswizards]

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The Rockets are 4-1 since the trade. The Wizards are 3-3, and they lost to the 76ers, and also nearly lost to Orlando.

By the end of the season, the Rockets will almost certainly be much more happy with what they got out of Lou Williams than what Wizards will have gotten out of Bogdanovic.

[maRioGrande]

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong

Not because he's from Croatia! A beautiful place, full of incredible history. Split. Dubrovnik. Terrific food & wine, etc. In fact, it's possible that pepe is the only thing wrong with Croatia! Then again, it's not something I have to worry about any more!

Ok, you're funny. Thank you, Split is my hometown and I'm really glad you like it. And pepe is a good guy, real nba fanatic, no need to put him on ignore list.

[bsilver]

lol: The peanut gallery went from "Bojan is a bad/net negative player and won't help us, because of my advanced stats that say ____" to "Bojan is too good, he's going to get paid and we can't retain him"

Actually, you just wrote the peanut gallery post.

Bojan is who he is. That's obvious. And now...

Tell me, do you agree with this? The better Bojan plays the better the off-season FA offer he'll receive.
Yes or no?

Now tell me, do you agree with this? The more it costs to keep Bojan a Wizard the less likely it is that he is a Wizard next year.
Yes or no?

Got any value to add to that? At all?

That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.

[MDStar]

lol: The peanut gallery went from "Bojan is a bad/net negative player and won't help us, because of my advanced stats that say ____" to "Bojan is too good, he's going to get paid and we can't retain him"

Actually, you just wrote the peanut gallery post.

Bojan is who he is. That's obvious. And now...

Tell me, do you agree with this? The better Bojan plays the better the off-season FA offer he'll receive.
Yes or no?

Now tell me, do you agree with this? The more it costs to keep Bojan a Wizard the less likely it is that he is a Wizard next year.
Yes or no?

Got any value to add to that? At all?

That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.

That's basically what I mentioned earlier. Is Porter really worth 23.5 Mill, with Beal and Wall already making the max? I think the organization has a real decision to make on Porter, with or without Bog.

[NatP4]

lol: The peanut gallery went from "Bojan is a bad/net negative player and won't help us, because of my advanced stats that say ____" to "Bojan is too good, he's going to get paid and we can't retain him"

Actually, you just wrote the peanut gallery post.

Bojan is who he is. That's obvious. And now...

Tell me, do you agree with this? The better Bojan plays the better the off-season FA offer he'll receive.
Yes or no?

Now tell me, do you agree with this? The more it costs to keep Bojan a Wizard the less likely it is that he is a Wizard next year.
Yes or no?

Got any value to add to that? At all?

That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.

20m discount for Otto. Bojan with the MLE, dump Jason smith and don't even pay the tax. People just want a reason to complain about Ernie regardless. Bojan is averaging 15 on 59% from 3. Great move

[bsilver]

Read on Twitter

The Rockets are 4-1 since the trade. The Wizards are 3-3, and they lost to the 76ers, and also nearly lost to Orlando.

By the end of the season, the Rockets will almost certainly be much more happy with what they got out of Lou Williams than what Wizards will have gotten out of Bogdanovic.

There's additional factors:
Mahinmi started playing and has had some real stinkers. His defense is good, but he hasn't successfully been integrated into the offense.
Porter hasn't been shooting well.
Gortat hasn't been playing well.
Oubre has stunk.
We stopped playing Smith who had been really hot.

Is this because of Bog? Maybe it's affected Porter since he's taken some of his time, but maybe Porter's to blame.