Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Ruzious]

I'd go pick up Hezonja and Okafor for nothing, why the hell not? they have talent.

get the bird rights and give them a chance. Our bench is ass anyways

In principle, sure! & somebody will, though maybe it'll take until the off season when they can be signed w/o giving up an asset.

If we were to go after one of them at present, I don't see what we have to give in a trade that would be tempting to Philly or Orlando. I guess maybe Mac, but IMO it would be a mistake to trade him.

And the Clippers declined their 3rd year option on Brice Johnson - a favorite of some here.

[keynote]

I dunno. EG thought "he knew better" than ORL last time around with Nicholson; he ended up having to spend assets to learn his lesson. I'm fine with giving Hezonja a flyer, but I wouldn't give up anything of value to kick the tires on him.

As for Okafor: I still suspect that PHI's price is too high. But, more importantly, I'm still concerned that he's simply not a good fit for the modern NBA -- even after losing an alleged 15-20 lbs in the offseason. We've seen what losing 15-20 lbs. has (or hasn't) done for Mahinmi's game.

[Dark Faze]

TJ McConnell is not at all worth moving that far back in the draft.

We should be looking at turning Gortat and Markieff into bird rights for young players with upside and perhaps taking on a bad contract to add draft picks.

[pcbothwel]

TJ McConnell is not at all worth moving that far back in the draft.

We should be looking at turning Gortat and Markieff into bird rights for young players with upside and perhaps taking on a bad contract to add draft picks.

Really? TJ is a 25 y/o, top 30 PG making 3M over the next two years.
And why would you trade Gortat and Morris when we are trying to make a run this year. It doesnt make any sense. Gortat's value on the court is higher than his market value with the glut of bigs in the league.
Again, we have zero hope for cap space and need both players. What do we gain by trading them?

We need contributors this year, but we also dont want to give up a pick for rentals or old players. That is why Philly with TJ and TLC look interesting. As does Denver with their PF glut, the Bulls with Portis/Grant, the Twolves with Patton, and the Raptors with Nogueira (RFA).
Im not one that likes trading away a 1st, but one of these scenarios would be pretty ideal if it happened.

[NatP4]

I love me some Brice Johnson. Would take a flyer on him forsure

Johnson played in 5 TOTAL NBA games over two seasons with the clippers.

averaged 14-5-1 in 23 minutes at LV summer league.

I just don't see how a team can give up on a young player who has only played in 5 games, but then again, I have seen more than enough Chris McCullough to know that he will never be a NBA player.

[Dark Faze]

TJ McConnell is not at all worth moving that far back in the draft.

We should be looking at turning Gortat and Markieff into bird rights for young players with upside and perhaps taking on a bad contract to add draft picks.

Really? TJ is a 25 y/o, top 30 PG making 3M over the next two years.
And why would you trade Gortat and Morris when we are trying to make a run this year. It doesnt make any sense. Gortat's value on the court is higher than his market value with the glut of bigs in the league.
Again, we have zero hope for cap space and need both players. What do we gain by trading them?

We need contributors this year, but we also dont want to give up a pick for rentals or old players. That is why Philly with TJ and TLC look interesting. As does Denver with their PF glut, the Bulls with Portis/Grant, the Twolves with Patton, and the Raptors with Nogueira (RFA).
Im not one that likes trading away a 1st, but one of these scenarios would be pretty ideal if it happened.

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

[Ruzious]

TJ McConnell is not at all worth moving that far back in the draft.

We should be looking at turning Gortat and Markieff into bird rights for young players with upside and perhaps taking on a bad contract to add draft picks.

Really? TJ is a 25 y/o, top 30 PG making 3M over the next two years.
And why would you trade Gortat and Morris when we are trying to make a run this year. It doesnt make any sense. Gortat's value on the court is higher than his market value with the glut of bigs in the league.
Again, we have zero hope for cap space and need both players. What do we gain by trading them?

We need contributors this year, but we also dont want to give up a pick for rentals or old players. That is why Philly with TJ and TLC look interesting. As does Denver with their PF glut, the Bulls with Portis/Grant, the Twolves with Patton, and the Raptors with Nogueira (RFA).
Im not one that likes trading away a 1st, but one of these scenarios would be pretty ideal if it happened.

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

You may turn out to be right, but this season might be our best chance. We can't blow it up as long as everyone's healthy. Cleveland's 3-4. They're better than us, but they have questionmarks. Otoh, I don't think we should give up draft pick(s) unless it's a trade you can't turn down.

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I like Philly, but not for Okafor. They have like 10 guys under contract next year, 1 if not 2 1st round picks, and 3 2nd round picks in the top 45

They need to consolidate players/ picks. They can either go after a better player, or move up in the draft.
I say we offer our 1st (23-25) and McCullough for their 2nd best 2nd round pick (lower between them and Brooklyn) and TJ McConnell
So essentially they move up 15-17 spots and give up TJ.
Right now, TJ is behind Bayless and Simmons as a ball handler. In the next 2 months, I assume Fultz will make his way back into that rotation as well. TJ gets squeezed.

...or Bayless gets traded. But, in any case, you are right that McConnell is a terrific young player, & I'd love to have him.

OTOH, I'm not sure how much "consolidating" they need to do. W/ their options for McConnell & Holmes, they have as you say 10 guys next year -- for a total of just over $60m (!). I guess a lot depends on how this year unfolds.

& of course Faze is totally wrong about McConnell's value -- it would be no surprise if he's worth substantially more than the 15-17 draft spots they get in your trade. Not less, as Faze suggests.

In the end, though, I doubt they trade him. Or Holmes -- the other guy I'd love to have.

[deneem4]

TJ McConnell is not at all worth moving that far back in the draft.

We should be looking at turning Gortat and Markieff into bird rights for young players with upside and perhaps taking on a bad contract to add draft picks.

Really? TJ is a 25 y/o, top 30 PG making 3M over the next two years.
And why would you trade Gortat and Morris when we are trying to make a run this year. It doesnt make any sense. Gortat's value on the court is higher than his market value with the glut of bigs in the league.
Again, we have zero hope for cap space and need both players. What do we gain by trading them?

We need contributors this year, but we also dont want to give up a pick for rentals or old players. That is why Philly with TJ and TLC look interesting. As does Denver with their PF glut, the Bulls with Portis/Grant, the Twolves with Patton, and the Raptors with Nogueira (RFA).
Im not one that likes trading away a 1st, but one of these scenarios would be pretty ideal if it happened.

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

I wonder did the warriors think about that before the David lee trade

[pcbothwel]

Really? TJ is a 25 y/o, top 30 PG making 3M over the next two years.
And why would you trade Gortat and Morris when we are trying to make a run this year. It doesnt make any sense. Gortat's value on the court is higher than his market value with the glut of bigs in the league.
Again, we have zero hope for cap space and need both players. What do we gain by trading them?

We need contributors this year, but we also dont want to give up a pick for rentals or old players. That is why Philly with TJ and TLC look interesting. As does Denver with their PF glut, the Bulls with Portis/Grant, the Twolves with Patton, and the Raptors with Nogueira (RFA).
Im not one that likes trading away a 1st, but one of these scenarios would be pretty ideal if it happened.

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

You may turn out to be right, but this season might be our best chance. We can't blow it up as long as everyone's healthy. Cleveland's 3-4. They're better than us, but they have questionmarks. Otoh, I don't think we should give up draft pick(s) unless it's a trade you can't turn down.

Sorry DF, but Ruz is correct. In 2/3 years Boston will be REALLY good and Philly could have the 2 best players under 25 in the entire league. Your assumption about Lebron might be wrong too. Yes, Im sure he will be in slight decline, but he may be on a better team/lower salary.
Right now, we are better than Boston and Cleveland looks old...real old. I am pretty confident that this core can get to the Finals once in the next two years. Losing to the greatest team in the history of the league in 5-6 games might be our ceiling, but Ill be damned if thats not a hell of a high ceiling.

[Dark Faze]

I like Philly, but not for Okafor. They have like 10 guys under contract next year, 1 if not 2 1st round picks, and 3 2nd round picks in the top 45

They need to consolidate players/ picks. They can either go after a better player, or move up in the draft.
I say we offer our 1st (23-25) and McCullough for their 2nd best 2nd round pick (lower between them and Brooklyn) and TJ McConnell
So essentially they move up 15-17 spots and give up TJ.
Right now, TJ is behind Bayless and Simmons as a ball handler. In the next 2 months, I assume Fultz will make his way back into that rotation as well. TJ gets squeezed.

...or Bayless gets traded. But, in any case, you are right that McConnell is a terrific young player, & I'd love to have him.

OTOH, I'm not sure how much "consolidating" they need to do. W/ their options for McConnell & Holmes, they have as you say 10 guys next year -- for a total of just over $60m (!). I guess a lot depends on how this year unfolds.

& of course Faze is totally wrong about McConnell's value -- it would be no surprise if he's worth substantially more than the 15-17 draft spots they get in your trade. Not less, as Faze suggests.

In the end, though, I doubt they trade him. Or Holmes -- the other guy I'd love to have.

Wow, a guy who has had a TS of 50/51 in his age 23/24/25 seasons, and is not a great defender. Sure, he protects the ball, can get guys into their sets and is disciplined, but he's the absolute definition of a backup, slightly sub MLE level player. And you want to go from the low 20's in the draft to a second rounder for him? No..

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Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

OMG!! You think Iguodala's legs are going to fall off?? Does he have some medical condition I don't know about?

We won't have a window for contention in 2-3 years, sorry. Or at least it is extremely unlikely. You are forgetting about Boston & Philly, both of whom are likely to be better than us in those same 2-3 years. & that's just the EC. & you're also forgetting that our salary structure 2 years from now is a nightmare. We have no way to improve.

All the same, you are right it's young talent we need. I wish I saw a way to get that for Kieff or Gortat, but I don't. Ask yourself whether anyone would give us a R1 lottery pick for Markieff Morris (i.e. what we paid for him). I can't see it, can you?

[Dark Faze]

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

You may turn out to be right, but this season might be our best chance. We can't blow it up as long as everyone's healthy. Cleveland's 3-4. They're better than us, but they have questionmarks. Otoh, I don't think we should give up draft pick(s) unless it's a trade you can't turn down.

Sorry DF, but Ruz is correct. In 2/3 years Boston will be REALLY good and Philly could have the 2 best players under 25 in the entire league. Your assumption about Lebron might be wrong too. Yes, Im sure he will be in slight decline, but he may be on a better team/lower salary.
Right now, we are better than Boston and Cleveland looks old...real old. I am pretty confident that this core can get to the Finals once in the next two years. Losing to the greatest team in the history of the league in 5-6 games might be our ceiling, but Ill be damned if thats not a hell of a high ceiling.

I am not suggesting that we make a trade that definitively makes us worse. One of my suggestions was Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, two second rounders, and Luol Deng for Gortat and Markieff. Both Randle and Clarkson are together averaging a PER of 20 right now. We still have Ian Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

I'm just suggesting getting young assets if possible that have potential, on top of picks, while also keeping our own pick. I think we're overrating what Gortat and Markieff can do for us in a playoff series. Markieff in particular was basically not even available in the Atlanta series last year for instance.

[Dark Faze]

Because our true window for contention is probably in around two or three years, when LeBron has truly declined, Iguodala's legs fall off, and Klay and Draymond are facing super maxes. At that point, at age 29/30/31 John will be playing at the height of his powers and then decline after. Going all in NOW, when there's almost nothing you can do to beat the Cavs with a healthy IT or this current Warriors team, is bad strategy. We traded a first to "increase our odds" last year, and maybe we would have lost in 6 to Boston instead of 7 with Bojan. Meanwhile, Jordan Bell is catching backboard lobs and looks like a young asset for the Warriors.

The calculus is this: No move we make gets us past the ECF (barring an injury in Cleveland). Likewise, nobody we get rid of within reason makes us bad enough to lose in the first round. So basically, why wouldn't you guarantee you keep your pick and then add young talent for Kieff/Gortat under that scenario? You lose a round earlier at worst with trading for young talent. At best with a win now move, you sacrifice future talent, make it to the ECF, but end up being stuck with trying to get something of value for Gortat in Kieff as expirings, which are harder to get value out of unless you're taking back a bad contract.

OMG!! You think Iguodala's legs are going to fall off?? Does he have some medical condition I don't know about?

We won't have a window for contention in 2-3 years, sorry. Or at least it is extremely unlikely. You are forgetting about Boston & Philly, both of whom are likely to be better than us in those same 2-3 years. & that's just the EC. & you're also forgetting that our salary structure 2 years from now is a nightmare. We have no way to improve.

All the same, you are right it's young talent we need. I wish I saw a way to get that for Kieff or Gortat, but I don't. Ask yourself whether anyone would give us a R1 lottery pick for Markieff Morris (i.e. what we paid for him). I can't see it, can you?

Embiid might not even be in the league two years from now lol. Chances are more likely he misses extensive time rather than him all of a sudden, for the first time in his entire basketball career, being a stalwart of health capable of the rigors of a playoff series, and Fultz is just weird in general right now. Hope he improves after that injury or w/e, but yea. That team has a ways to go despite their bright future. Boston? That team is at best just a different version of what they were last year. I don't think Brown is an all-star caliber player. I do think Tatum has a good chance of making it. But the new look Celtics will be about as difficult to take out as the Isaiah 52 points against us in a playoff game celtics.

And if you think Iguodala will be the same defender at age 35 after two additional long and probable championship runs, well ok

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... Faze is totally wrong about McConnell's value -- it would be no surprise if he's worth substantially more than the 15-17 draft spots they get in your trade. Not less, as Faze suggests...

Wow, a guy who has had a TS of 50/51 in his age 23/24/25 seasons, and is not a great defender. Sure, he protects the ball, can get guys into their sets and is disciplined, but he's the absolute definition of a backup, slightly sub MLE level player. And you want to go from the low 20's in the draft to a second rounder for him? No..

...and after all what is there but scoring points to tell you how good a guy is, right?

Here's who went #23 from 2011 to 2017:

Spoiler:

Nikola Mirotic, John Jenkins, Solomon Hill, Rodney Hood, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Ante Zizic, OG Anunoby.

Here's who you could have taken #37 in those drafts:

Spoiler:

Chandler Parsons, Khris Middleton, James Ennis, Nikola Jokic, Richaun Holmes, Patrick McCaw, Jordan Bell

Any questions?

[pcbothwel]

You may turn out to be right, but this season might be our best chance. We can't blow it up as long as everyone's healthy. Cleveland's 3-4. They're better than us, but they have questionmarks. Otoh, I don't think we should give up draft pick(s) unless it's a trade you can't turn down.

Sorry DF, but Ruz is correct. In 2/3 years Boston will be REALLY good and Philly could have the 2 best players under 25 in the entire league. Your assumption about Lebron might be wrong too. Yes, Im sure he will be in slight decline, but he may be on a better team/lower salary.
Right now, we are better than Boston and Cleveland looks old...real old. I am pretty confident that this core can get to the Finals once in the next two years. Losing to the greatest team in the history of the league in 5-6 games might be our ceiling, but Ill be damned if thats not a hell of a high ceiling.

I am not suggesting that we make a trade that definitively makes us worse. One of my suggestions was Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, two second rounders, and Luol Deng for Gortat and Markieff. Both Randle and Clarkson are together averaging a PER of 20 right now. We still have Ian Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

I'm just suggesting getting young assets if possible that have potential, on top of picks, while also keeping our own pick. I think we're overrating what Gortat and Markieff can do for us in a playoff series. Markieff in particular was basically not even available in the Atlanta series last year for instance.

Dear god man... If you rank those players and assets Gortat and Morris are literally 1 and 2... Clarkson is a garbage chucker who has done nothing in his 1st 3 years in the league to be more than an 9th/10th man and he has 3/48M left on his deal. Deng is the worst contract in the league and Randle is an expiring that has only just looked promising in a 7 game sample size

[Dark Faze]

... Faze is totally wrong about McConnell's value -- it would be no surprise if he's worth substantially more than the 15-17 draft spots they get in your trade. Not less, as Faze suggests...

Wow, a guy who has had a TS of 50/51 in his age 23/24/25 seasons, and is not a great defender. Sure, he protects the ball, can get guys into their sets and is disciplined, but he's the absolute definition of a backup, slightly sub MLE level player. And you want to go from the low 20's in the draft to a second rounder for him? No..

...and after all what is there but scoring points to tell you how good a guy is, right?

Here's who went #23 from 2011 to 2017:

Spoiler:

Nikola Mirotic, John Jenkins, Solomon Hill, Rodney Hood, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Ante Zizic, OG Anunoby.

Here's who you could have taken #37 in those drafts:

Spoiler:

Chandler Parsons, Khris Middleton, James Ennis, Nikola Jokic, Richaun Holmes, Patrick McCaw, Jordan Bell

Any questions?

I know the history. 37 is pretty deep into the second. If it was a top 3 pick in the second it would be another matter, but even then, there are names like Serge Ibaka, Rudy Gobert, Nic Batum, and Jimmy Butler for example, that would have been missed on for the sake of adding a roleplaying pass first bench point guard in your scenario.

[Dark Faze]

Sorry DF, but Ruz is correct. In 2/3 years Boston will be REALLY good and Philly could have the 2 best players under 25 in the entire league. Your assumption about Lebron might be wrong too. Yes, Im sure he will be in slight decline, but he may be on a better team/lower salary.
Right now, we are better than Boston and Cleveland looks old...real old. I am pretty confident that this core can get to the Finals once in the next two years. Losing to the greatest team in the history of the league in 5-6 games might be our ceiling, but Ill be damned if thats not a hell of a high ceiling.

I am not suggesting that we make a trade that definitively makes us worse. One of my suggestions was Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, two second rounders, and Luol Deng for Gortat and Markieff. Both Randle and Clarkson are together averaging a PER of 20 right now. We still have Ian Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

I'm just suggesting getting young assets if possible that have potential, on top of picks, while also keeping our own pick. I think we're overrating what Gortat and Markieff can do for us in a playoff series. Markieff in particular was basically not even available in the Atlanta series last year for instance.

Dear god man... If you rank those players and assets Gortat and Morris are literally 1 and 2... Clarkson is a garbage chucker who has done nothing in his 1st 3 years in the league to be more than an 9th/10th man and he has 3/48M left on his deal. Deng is the worst contract in the league and Randle is an expiring that has only just looked promising in a 7 game sample size

The Deng contract doesn't matter because we don't have cap space. It basically just costs Ted money. Clarkson is playing great right now, but it IS a small sample size. These aren't moves I'd make today--but just before the deadline with a larger sample size available. One of the seconds we get from LA is a top 3 second rounder I believe in 2019.

Clarkson, Randle, guarantee we keep our own first this year, two seconds, one being a top 3 second. Us keeping our pick and the two seconds alone have a good chance at being more valuable than 35 year old Gortat and Kieff looking for extensions in two years, nevermind the fact that I don't think all the juice has been squeezed from Clarkson or Randle yet.

Regardless, maybe that's not the deal, but you get the kind of move I'd be trying to make. Young talent, picks, while still being able to compete today.

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...If it was a top 3 pick in the second it would be another matter, but even then, there are names like Serge Ibaka, ...Nic Batum..., that would have been missed on for the sake of adding a roleplaying pass first bench point guard in your scenario.

Both out of the '08 draft, right. Yeah, it would have been awful to be stuck with the #35 pick in that draft, huh? You know, & all you'd wind up with would be DeAndre Jordan....

[NatP4]

...If it was a top 3 pick in the second it would be another matter, but even then, there are names like Serge Ibaka, ...Nic Batum..., that would have been missed on for the sake of adding a roleplaying pass first bench point guard in your scenario.

Both out of the '08 draft, right. Yeah, it would have been awful to be stuck with the #35 pick in that draft, huh? You know, & all you'd wind up with would be DeAndre Jordan....

Goran Dragic was also in that draft. But you also have Nathan Jawai??? And Walter Sharpe??

hitting on every draft pick ever would be nice