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payitforward wrote:Ok, what I *do* like about SD20 is that he doesn't seem to care what you call him. Call him a liar, & he lies some more. Call him an idiot, & he says something dumber than the last thing.
You're all right in my book, SD, you dimwitted, unprincipled, falsifier! Keep it up. Just keep it up.
stilldropin20 wrote:cammac wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:
we keep up with a reformed immigration policy. we pluck the cream of the crop. aka we take all of their "geniuses" and make them our geniuses. This is also part of Trumps immigration reform. libs are crying foul, of course.
this is another trump soon-to-be victory. he's going to get it no matter how much the stupid and moronic far left cry "elitism" or whatever "ism" they cry next. they are frickin morons. dont listen to them. and they know this is an issue. no matter what they "cry" on CNN they are going to get this passed. They understand the urgency. The future of the entire military is going to revolve almost strictly around technology. They get it. they'll get this done. watch.
But, You are right. This is the weak link. we just dont have the man power. and in term of total brain power. other countries, no matter how poor. just have significantly more brain power.
I've been saying this for years. immigration policy should completely change. we should create manufacturing zones for new immigrants and "work towns" for immigrants. Allow corporationss to Build massive towns and with manufacturing plants and allow them to "hire" immigrants and pay them sig lower wages for a period of time as they assimilate they make a wage more consistent with typical american wages. This would bring back jobs, manufacoturing, tax dollars, etc. educate their children with the best of educations to help keep up with foreign education systems like china and japan. Force their children into military service. say 2 years. as former military let me be clear. its the best thing i did for myself. and created a sense of loyalty and duty to the USA. something every lib can benefit from tbh. pick up a gun and stand a watch. then let's talk politics.
do that and make ing"recruit" high end talent part of immigration reform and we will get smarter and grow as a popluation. Both will be necessary down the road.
By the way, any of you guys ever ask yourselves what is going to happen when we run out of food!???????? that day is coming. we are going to run out of food at some point. The world is just not that big. we are on pace for 11.2 Billion people in 2100. Thats without HgH. Once we start taking HgH we are going to live even longer. the earth is heating up. and rogue nations are being allowed to compile nuclear warheads and test missiles. we will see what happens when people pesticides and other contaminants spoil the soil and the demand for food continue with the population and people start to get hungry.
Well your views are somewhat bizarre you are basically suggesting setting up concentration camps for foreigner workers to be abused by corporate giants and to be deported at the whim of those employers. Many of the undocumented workers in the USA are already being abused by American business and in many cases consumers picking up workers near Home Depots. Yes there is nothing wrong with having points systems for immigrants which Canada does successfully but also will take about double the number of refugees in real numbers that the USA does this year. By the way a good number of those refugees are crossing the border from the USA. Yes Canada requires seasonal workers and also service area workers but they also have the same protections in the work place as Canadians and the employers must pay minimum wages.
Not. At. All. Your own mind took you there and made it sound bizarre. not my words.
My family is from the south side of chicago. Roseland. Pullman precisely. they came here as immigrants in the early 1900's and worked for Geroge pullman in his "company town." They Rented(to own) one of his small company homes that he built for his workers, and used his company script(money on the books) to buy groceries at his company store, etc. It was a utopia at first. before the credit markets dried up for him because european investment bankers began to reinstitue our central banking system and constricted the money supply in the early 1900's so as to squeeze US politicians into accepting their federnal reserve system. ah but i digress again. Pullman was hit hard by the calling on his line of credit. Creditors called in their lines of credit everywhere in the US but espeicially Pullman who was using company script (which like bitcoin et al, could be a way to avoid constistions in the money supply). The calling of his credit and sharp increases in interests rates forced Pullman to make his workers work longer hours and pay more for rent and groceries-just to stay afloat. But It was still a utopia (for the working class) compared to most factory conditions and lving conditions in the US at that time. it was the First "city" in america with modern plumbing, modern electric, and amny things. just a beautiful small manufacturing town (10 minutes from down town chicago with no traffic). But the narrative got spun on Pullman and his town into this being a "bad" thing. And taking advantage of workers, blah blah blah.
yet, My grand parents never felt taken advantage of though. In fact, My family still owns that house today as well as multiple other family members still live in pullman today. and when i talked to my grandparents about those early times: they loved Pullman. stayed there their entire lives. Raised me to appreciate the town and what it meant for us(the 3rd and 4th generation). They cam here from nothing and with nothing. and went to work immediately. bought a home immediately. raised their children and grandchildren with the self respect of making a living.
So "Company towns" can work. they dont have to be evil. at all. And if you are newly immigrated to the US, like my great grand-parents, you should come here with the understanding that you ARE GOING TO WORK-likely for lower wages. You are going to "earn your keep." for whatever probationary period...i dont know? 4 years? 6 years? But there should be programs like these that benefit the newly arrived immigrant, and already present americans. And I believe that all american should spend time in the military. ALL of them!! My grandpa and great uncle did (1st gen) as did the 3rd and 4th gen).
And to that end i ask, why should a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th generation americans lose jobs to a newly arrived immigrant? All things being equal in terms of skills, if both people can do "the job" why on earth would we put a system in place that allows a corporation to give that "plush" job to a newly arrived immigrant? My family worked for very low wages for their entire lives. when they arrived and didn't speak any english. Yet my grandfather from spain via italy was an italian college graduate and was fluent in italian, spanish, french and german (all which made him one helluva an asset in ww2) but when he arrived here he got a very low paying job in sherwin williams mixing paint. He worked 60 or more hours per week and "tended bar" in the evenings and weekends. even christmas. he worked there 30 years!!!! His retirement (at 100% his last years monthly wages) was $852.00 per month!!! His social security was about $250.00 per month. My grandma made sandwiches for $5.00 per hour up until she was 75 years old!! yet they still managed to save over $500,000 and disperse to their children. Their children, my mom and uncle were put through trade schools in the 60's. They managed to buy my uncle his own mechanic shop and fully fund it. And my mom her own beauty salon and fully fund it. I ended up in private schools and a doctor (after I served in the US NAVY out of high school.) MY FAMILY PAID THEIR DUES!!!! the company town worked for me and my family. My entire family is and was very proud of our company town and the opportunities it provided us.
So Not only would it work. It could be a giant step forward compared current working conditions oversees and wages and life style and most importantly OPPORTUNITY going forward as compared to the current sweatshops oversees. Just like it was for our family...who again, paid our dues. i would like to think that any 3rd,4th, 5th, 6th 7th, etc. generation america has their own story not too much unlike mine and also paid their dues. Those americans deserve the higher paying jobs. newly arrived immigrants should be willing to understand that coming to the US is not necessarily going to be an overnight success. That they are going to pay their dues as well.
And of course, we haven't even touched how implementing programs like this can bring back low end manufacturing jobs. but also mid level and high end jobs will be created for current american workers. someone has to build "those corporate town" and then their will be whole new micro-economies created. new schools, new hospitals, etc etc. Mass migration could ensue. which equal mass growth. mass revenue. mass tax dollars! we might even be able to fund some of bernie sanders paltform with mass immigration plans like these.
But alas. it will never happen!! This is america!! we cant pay some one low wages!!!!!!!!! we can only buy product that are made in sweatshops overseas made by 12 year old children working for $12 per day!! out of site!! out of mind!!!! ah yes! the great "american" way. I totally forgot how we do things.
Bangalore has a BMW dealership that is for middle management while the real ballers are doing BETTER THAN THAT in India ...20 years ago those things were unheard of. We are not going to get the best of the best anymore...we are getting their middle class now...sorry
stilldropin20 wrote:Not. At. All. Your own mind took you there and made it sound bizarre. not my words.
My family is from the south side of chicago. Roseland. Pullman precisely. they came here as immigrants in the early 1900's and worked for Geroge pullman in his "company town." They Rented(to own) one of his small company homes that he built for his workers, and used his company script(money on the books) to buy groceries at his company store, etc. It was a utopia at first. before the credit markets dried up for him because european investment bankers began to reinstitue our central banking system and constricted the money supply in the early 1900's so as to squeeze US politicians into accepting their federnal reserve system. ah but i digress again. Pullman was hit hard by the calling on his line of credit. Creditors called in their lines of credit everywhere in the US but espeicially Pullman who was using company script (which like bitcoin et al, could be a way to avoid constistions in the money supply). The calling of his credit and sharp increases in interests rates forced Pullman to make his workers work longer hours and pay more for rent and groceries-just to stay afloat. But It was still a utopia (for the working class) compared to most factory conditions and lving conditions in the US at that time. it was the First "city" in america with modern plumbing, modern electric, and amny things. just a beautiful small manufacturing town (10 minutes from down town chicago with no traffic). But the narrative got spun on Pullman and his town into this being a "bad" thing. And taking advantage of workers, blah blah blah.
yet, My grand parents never felt taken advantage of though. In fact, My family still owns that house today as well as multiple other family members still live in pullman today. and when i talked to my grandparents about those early times: they loved Pullman. stayed there their entire lives. Raised me to appreciate the town and what it meant for us(the 3rd and 4th generation). They cam here from nothing and with nothing. and went to work immediately. bought a home immediately. raised their children and grandchildren with the self respect of making a living.
So "Company towns" can work. they dont have to be evil. at all. And if you are newly immigrated to the US, like my great grand-parents, you should come here with the understanding that you ARE GOING TO WORK-likely for lower wages. You are going to "earn your keep." for whatever probationary period...i dont know? 4 years? 6 years? But there should be programs like these that benefit the newly arrived immigrant, and already present americans. And I believe that all american should spend time in the military. ALL of them!! My grandpa and great uncle did (1st gen) as did the 3rd and 4th gen).
And to that end i ask, why should a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th generation americans lose jobs to a newly arrived immigrant? All things being equal in terms of skills, if both people can do "the job" why on earth would we put a system in place that allows a corporation to give that "plush" job to a newly arrived immigrant? My family worked for very low wages for their entire lives. when they arrived and didn't speak any english. Yet my grandfather from spain via italy was an italian college graduate and was fluent in italian, spanish, french and german (all which made him one helluva an asset in ww2) but when he arrived here he got a very low paying job in sherwin williams mixing paint. He worked 60 or more hours per week and "tended bar" in the evenings and weekends. even christmas. he worked there 30 years!!!! His retirement (at 100% his last years monthly wages) was $852.00 per month!!! His social security was about $250.00 per month. My grandma made sandwiches for $5.00 per hour up until she was 75 years old!! yet they still managed to save over $500,000 and disperse to their children. Their children, my mom and uncle were put through trade schools in the 60's. They managed to buy my uncle his own mechanic shop and fully fund it. And my mom her own beauty salon and fully fund it. I ended up in private schools and a doctor (after I served in the US NAVY out of high school.) MY FAMILY PAID THEIR DUES!!!! the company town worked for me and my family. My entire family is and was very proud of our company town and the opportunities it provided us.
So Not only would it work. It could be a giant step forward compared current working conditions oversees and wages and life style and most importantly OPPORTUNITY going forward as compared to the current sweatshops oversees. Just like it was for our family...who again, paid our dues. i would like to think that any 3rd,4th, 5th, 6th 7th, etc. generation america has their own story not too much unlike mine and also paid their dues. Those americans deserve the higher paying jobs. newly arrived immigrants should be willing to understand that coming to the US is not necessarily going to be an overnight success. That they are going to pay their dues as well.
And of course, we haven't even touched how implementing programs like this can bring back low end manufacturing jobs. but also mid level and high end jobs will be created for current american workers. someone has to build "those corporate town" and then their will be whole new micro-economies created. new schools, new hospitals, etc etc. Mass migration could ensue. which equal mass growth. mass revenue. mass tax dollars! we might even be able to fund some of bernie sanders paltform with mass immigration plans like these.
But alas. it will never happen!! This is america!! we cant pay some one low wages!!!!!!!!! we can only buy product that are made in sweatshops overseas made by 12 year old children working for $12 per day!! out of site!! out of mind!!!! ah yes! the great "american" way. I totally forgot how we do things.
CobraCommander wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:cammac wrote:
Well your views are somewhat bizarre you are basically suggesting setting up concentration camps for foreigner workers to be abused by corporate giants and to be deported at the whim of those employers. Many of the undocumented workers in the USA are already being abused by American business and in many cases consumers picking up workers near Home Depots. Yes there is nothing wrong with having points systems for immigrants which Canada does successfully but also will take about double the number of refugees in real numbers that the USA does this year. By the way a good number of those refugees are crossing the border from the USA. Yes Canada requires seasonal workers and also service area workers but they also have the same protections in the work place as Canadians and the employers must pay minimum wages.
Not. At. All. Your own mind took you there and made it sound bizarre. not my words.
My family is from the south side of chicago. Roseland. Pullman precisely. they came here as immigrants in the early 1900's and worked for Geroge pullman in his "company town." They Rented(to own) one of his small company homes that he built for his workers, and used his company script(money on the books) to buy groceries at his company store, etc. It was a utopia at first. before the credit markets dried up for him because european investment bankers began to reinstitue our central banking system and constricted the money supply in the early 1900's so as to squeeze US politicians into accepting their federnal reserve system. ah but i digress again. Pullman was hit hard by the calling on his line of credit. Creditors called in their lines of credit everywhere in the US but espeicially Pullman who was using company script (which like bitcoin et al, could be a way to avoid constistions in the money supply). The calling of his credit and sharp increases in interests rates forced Pullman to make his workers work longer hours and pay more for rent and groceries-just to stay afloat. But It was still a utopia (for the working class) compared to most factory conditions and lving conditions in the US at that time. it was the First "city" in america with modern plumbing, modern electric, and amny things. just a beautiful small manufacturing town (10 minutes from down town chicago with no traffic). But the narrative got spun on Pullman and his town into this being a "bad" thing. And taking advantage of workers, blah blah blah.
yet, My grand parents never felt taken advantage of though. In fact, My family still owns that house today as well as multiple other family members still live in pullman today. and when i talked to my grandparents about those early times: they loved Pullman. stayed there their entire lives. Raised me to appreciate the town and what it meant for us(the 3rd and 4th generation). They cam here from nothing and with nothing. and went to work immediately. bought a home immediately. raised their children and grandchildren with the self respect of making a living.
So "Company towns" can work. they dont have to be evil. at all. And if you are newly immigrated to the US, like my great grand-parents, you should come here with the understanding that you ARE GOING TO WORK-likely for lower wages. You are going to "earn your keep." for whatever probationary period...i dont know? 4 years? 6 years? But there should be programs like these that benefit the newly arrived immigrant, and already present americans. And I believe that all american should spend time in the military. ALL of them!! My grandpa and great uncle did (1st gen) as did the 3rd and 4th gen).
And to that end i ask, why should a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th generation americans lose jobs to a newly arrived immigrant? All things being equal in terms of skills, if both people can do "the job" why on earth would we put a system in place that allows a corporation to give that "plush" job to a newly arrived immigrant? My family worked for very low wages for their entire lives. when they arrived and didn't speak any english. Yet my grandfather from spain via italy was an italian college graduate and was fluent in italian, spanish, french and german (all which made him one helluva an asset in ww2) but when he arrived here he got a very low paying job in sherwin williams mixing paint. He worked 60 or more hours per week and "tended bar" in the evenings and weekends. even christmas. he worked there 30 years!!!! His retirement (at 100% his last years monthly wages) was $852.00 per month!!! His social security was about $250.00 per month. My grandma made sandwiches for $5.00 per hour up until she was 75 years old!! yet they still managed to save over $500,000 and disperse to their children. Their children, my mom and uncle were put through trade schools in the 60's. They managed to buy my uncle his own mechanic shop and fully fund it. And my mom her own beauty salon and fully fund it. I ended up in private schools and a doctor (after I served in the US NAVY out of high school.) MY FAMILY PAID THEIR DUES!!!! the company town worked for me and my family. My entire family is and was very proud of our company town and the opportunities it provided us.
So Not only would it work. It could be a giant step forward compared current working conditions oversees and wages and life style and most importantly OPPORTUNITY going forward as compared to the current sweatshops oversees. Just like it was for our family...who again, paid our dues. i would like to think that any 3rd,4th, 5th, 6th 7th, etc. generation america has their own story not too much unlike mine and also paid their dues. Those americans deserve the higher paying jobs. newly arrived immigrants should be willing to understand that coming to the US is not necessarily going to be an overnight success. That they are going to pay their dues as well.
And of course, we haven't even touched how implementing programs like this can bring back low end manufacturing jobs. but also mid level and high end jobs will be created for current american workers. someone has to build "those corporate town" and then their will be whole new micro-economies created. new schools, new hospitals, etc etc. Mass migration could ensue. which equal mass growth. mass revenue. mass tax dollars! we might even be able to fund some of bernie sanders paltform with mass immigration plans like these.
But alas. it will never happen!! This is america!! we cant pay some one low wages!!!!!!!!! we can only buy product that are made in sweatshops overseas made by 12 year old children working for $12 per day!! out of site!! out of mind!!!! ah yes! the great "american" way. I totally forgot how we do things.
I totally appreciate your both of your thoughts but I disagree on one point -and I know this directly from spending significant time in India and China with Indians and Chinese that work or worked in America- t he Chinese and Indian eliteont need to come to the US anymore to maximize thier potential as they can get paid better at home than here. the true elite (education and IQ) are able to make it happen at home! Vancouver is full of Chinese elites. Paris has a Louis Vuitton store that caters to Chinese people in such a patronizing way that French and English speakers are the minority
payitforward wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:yes that POS Wilson passed the federal reserve act essentially turning our country over to the Rothschild banking cartel.
BS -- utter & awful BS.stilldropin20 wrote:This was the beginning of the end.
So... you are saying that people are less prosperous now than before the Wilson regime. & that the American economy stalled at that point & has had insignificant growth since then.
Honestly, you are a bag of nonsensical gas, man. Wow!
And all of our fore father save that original POS Hamilton knew the dangers. 2 of the worst president of all-time just due to their clamoring for the central banks.stilldropin20 wrote: a sovereign country can provide a stable economy. Once we let europeans control the money supply we were screwed. we sold the country right there.
The government provides economic stability? Not the market? Europeans control our money supply?
We lost control of our country in 1913? That must mean that in 1913 we were the most powerful nation on Earth but now we are a 3d class power? That in 1913 our economy was the most productive on the planet, but now it is a 3d class economy?
That's what you are saying, right?stilldropin20 wrote:Why are we still on a gold back currency which makes it harder to create a free and flowing money supply as gold has a limited money supply. We weren't suppose to end up (entirely dependent on) money. The original intent of "money" was to create an easy and stable way to exchanged goods or labor. Historically, various regimes/empires, like King George of England and his tally sticks, have used various forms of currency and made that currency abundant. Problems aka recession and depressions seem to only occur when the money supply is silver or gold backed. When the money supply is made abundant like tally sticks were, economies flourish. when the money supply is constricted we end up in recessions and depressions.
Just think for a second: if everyone had enough "money" to exchange goods and services and the value of that money wasn't diminished, the economy would flourish. Good and services would flow freely. it really is that simple. the problem is that their would be no "poor." without the "poor" there would also be no "rich." We cant have that!!!
This is totally amazing.
1. Our currency is *not* based on gold or other species. What are you talking about?
2. Tally sticks aren't money. They're a way of recording debts. Yes, you could trade them -- just as you can trade debt today -- that doesn't mean they are money, & certainly not that you could run an economy like ours using them.... Wow!!
3. Relating recessions/depressions to gold-backed currencyis plain idiotic. It's the opposite of the truth.
4. "It really is that simple." -- you misspelled that. You meant to write "I really am that simple."
As to all this:stilldropin20 wrote:getting back to the point you made on the federal reserve act. Original board members Morgan and Rockefellor were funded by whom? Rothschild. Why was european born and Rothschild baking agent JP Morgan even allowed to essentially write the charter for the fed reserve. It's disgusting. Woodrew wilson (and congress) sold us out right then and there to the european banking cartel. this was the 3rd and final try. It stuck. It's now "too big to" get out from under. they own our entire economy and have been allowed to implement their central banks the world over. whoever buys your debt or lends you money owns you. Think about it. "what do you need the money for? oh sure! here you go. just do this one thing more me first." there is no reason for the U.S.A. to borrow money from anyone, let alone international bankers who have international interests. This goes against all common sense thinking on foreign policy...especially considering we can print our own money and successfully have done just that in some of the most flourishing era's of our history. eg. greenbacks. Lincoln used the greenback to keep the north funded. The united states simply printed money not backed by gold or silver. just the confidence of the united states government.
As you know Lincoln was assassinated by a rando dude. Not unlike kennedy, assassinated by a rando. Andrew Jackson who battled alexander hamilton's attempts to form a central bank and crushed the first incarnation of the european central bank and delayed future attempts faced attempted assassination also by a rando dude as well.
think about it.
It's not possible to "think about it", as it's a stream of inventions.
stilldropin20 wrote:just watched HRC full interview on MSNBC. If i didn't know better it sounds like she is down low keeping door open for 2020.
cammac wrote:CobraCommander wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:
Not. At. All. Your own mind took you there and made it sound bizarre. not my words.
My family is from the south side of chicago. Roseland. Pullman precisely. they came here as immigrants in the early 1900's and worked for Geroge pullman in his "company town." They Rented(to own) one of his small company homes that he built for his workers, and used his company script(money on the books) to buy groceries at his company store, etc. It was a utopia at first. before the credit markets dried up for him because european investment bankers began to reinstitue our central banking system and constricted the money supply in the early 1900's so as to squeeze US politicians into accepting their federnal reserve system. ah but i digress again. Pullman was hit hard by the calling on his line of credit. Creditors called in their lines of credit everywhere in the US but espeicially Pullman who was using company script (which like bitcoin et al, could be a way to avoid constistions in the money supply). The calling of his credit and sharp increases in interests rates forced Pullman to make his workers work longer hours and pay more for rent and groceries-just to stay afloat. But It was still a utopia (for the working class) compared to most factory conditions and lving conditions in the US at that time. it was the First "city" in america with modern plumbing, modern electric, and amny things. just a beautiful small manufacturing town (10 minutes from down town chicago with no traffic). But the narrative got spun on Pullman and his town into this being a "bad" thing. And taking advantage of workers, blah blah blah.
yet, My grand parents never felt taken advantage of though. In fact, My family still owns that house today as well as multiple other family members still live in pullman today. and when i talked to my grandparents about those early times: they loved Pullman. stayed there their entire lives. Raised me to appreciate the town and what it meant for us(the 3rd and 4th generation). They cam here from nothing and with nothing. and went to work immediately. bought a home immediately. raised their children and grandchildren with the self respect of making a living.
So "Company towns" can work. they dont have to be evil. at all. And if you are newly immigrated to the US, like my great grand-parents, you should come here with the understanding that you ARE GOING TO WORK-likely for lower wages. You are going to "earn your keep." for whatever probationary period...i dont know? 4 years? 6 years? But there should be programs like these that benefit the newly arrived immigrant, and already present americans. And I believe that all american should spend time in the military. ALL of them!! My grandpa and great uncle did (1st gen) as did the 3rd and 4th gen).
And to that end i ask, why should a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th generation americans lose jobs to a newly arrived immigrant? All things being equal in terms of skills, if both people can do "the job" why on earth would we put a system in place that allows a corporation to give that "plush" job to a newly arrived immigrant? My family worked for very low wages for their entire lives. when they arrived and didn't speak any english. Yet my grandfather from spain via italy was an italian college graduate and was fluent in italian, spanish, french and german (all which made him one helluva an asset in ww2) but when he arrived here he got a very low paying job in sherwin williams mixing paint. He worked 60 or more hours per week and "tended bar" in the evenings and weekends. even christmas. he worked there 30 years!!!! His retirement (at 100% his last years monthly wages) was $852.00 per month!!! His social security was about $250.00 per month. My grandma made sandwiches for $5.00 per hour up until she was 75 years old!! yet they still managed to save over $500,000 and disperse to their children. Their children, my mom and uncle were put through trade schools in the 60's. They managed to buy my uncle his own mechanic shop and fully fund it. And my mom her own beauty salon and fully fund it. I ended up in private schools and a doctor (after I served in the US NAVY out of high school.) MY FAMILY PAID THEIR DUES!!!! the company town worked for me and my family. My entire family is and was very proud of our company town and the opportunities it provided us.
So Not only would it work. It could be a giant step forward compared current working conditions oversees and wages and life style and most importantly OPPORTUNITY going forward as compared to the current sweatshops oversees. Just like it was for our family...who again, paid our dues. i would like to think that any 3rd,4th, 5th, 6th 7th, etc. generation america has their own story not too much unlike mine and also paid their dues. Those americans deserve the higher paying jobs. newly arrived immigrants should be willing to understand that coming to the US is not necessarily going to be an overnight success. That they are going to pay their dues as well.
And of course, we haven't even touched how implementing programs like this can bring back low end manufacturing jobs. but also mid level and high end jobs will be created for current american workers. someone has to build "those corporate town" and then their will be whole new micro-economies created. new schools, new hospitals, etc etc. Mass migration could ensue. which equal mass growth. mass revenue. mass tax dollars! we might even be able to fund some of bernie sanders paltform with mass immigration plans like these.
But alas. it will never happen!! This is america!! we cant pay some one low wages!!!!!!!!! we can only buy product that are made in sweatshops overseas made by 12 year old children working for $12 per day!! out of site!! out of mind!!!! ah yes! the great "american" way. I totally forgot how we do things.
I totally appreciate your both of your thoughts but I disagree on one point -and I know this directly from spending significant time in India and China with Indians and Chinese that work or worked in America- t he Chinese and Indian eliteont need to come to the US anymore to maximize thier potential as they can get paid better at home than here. the true elite (education and IQ) are able to make it happen at home! Vancouver is full of Chinese elites. Paris has a Louis Vuitton store that caters to Chinese people in such a patronizing way that French and English speakers are the minority
I appreciate your comments as well India isn't a country that I have visited but have both Indian and Sikh friends in Canada and lived in China for 10 years and my wife is Chinese. You are right and wrong Vancouver has the highest % of Chinese outside of any city in Asia. Toronto has the highest number of Chinese of any metropolitan area outside of Asia. The reality is high % of both middle class and upper class Chinese are looking to leave China. The upper class and middle class still believe it is better to educate there children outside of China.
Yes in most major Cities in China you see a much higher % of high end vehicles than you see in North America. While Trump rails on China it has its own huge economic problems. It is no longer a low cost country and is more and more dependent of internal consumption.
payitforward wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:yes that POS Wilson passed the federal reserve act essentially turning our country over to the Rothschild banking cartel.
BS -- utter & awful BS.stilldropin20 wrote:This was the beginning of the end.
So... you are saying that people are less prosperous now than before the Wilson regime. & that the American economy stalled at that point & has had insignificant growth since then.
Honestly, you are a bag of nonsensical gas, man. Wow!
And all of our fore father save that original POS Hamilton knew the dangers. 2 of the worst president of all-time just due to their clamoring for the central banks.stilldropin20 wrote: a sovereign country can provide a stable economy. Once we let europeans control the money supply we were screwed. we sold the country right there.
The government provides economic stability? Not the market? Europeans control our money supply?
We lost control of our country in 1913? That must mean that in 1913 we were the most powerful nation on Earth but now we are a 3d class power? That in 1913 our economy was the most productive on the planet, but now it is a 3d class economy?
That's what you are saying, right?stilldropin20 wrote:Why are we still on a gold back currency which makes it harder to create a free and flowing money supply as gold has a limited money supply. We weren't suppose to end up (entirely dependent on) money. The original intent of "money" was to create an easy and stable way to exchanged goods or labor. Historically, various regimes/empires, like King George of England and his tally sticks, have used various forms of currency and made that currency abundant. Problems aka recession and depressions seem to only occur when the money supply is silver or gold backed. When the money supply is made abundant like tally sticks were, economies flourish. when the money supply is constricted we end up in recessions and depressions.
Just think for a second: if everyone had enough "money" to exchange goods and services and the value of that money wasn't diminished, the economy would flourish. Good and services would flow freely. it really is that simple. the problem is that their would be no "poor." without the "poor" there would also be no "rich." We cant have that!!!
This is totally amazing.
1. Our currency is *not* based on gold or other species. What are you talking about?
2. Tally sticks aren't money. They're a way of recording debts. Yes, you could trade them -- just as you can trade debt today -- that doesn't mean they are money, & certainly not that you could run an economy like ours using them.... Wow!!
3. Relating recessions/depressions to gold-backed currencyis plain idiotic. It's the opposite of the truth.
4. "It really is that simple." -- you misspelled that. You meant to write "I really am that simple."
As to all this:stilldropin20 wrote:getting back to the point you made on the federal reserve act. Original board members Morgan and Rockefellor were funded by whom? Rothschild. Why was european born and Rothschild baking agent JP Morgan even allowed to essentially write the charter for the fed reserve. It's disgusting. Woodrew wilson (and congress) sold us out right then and there to the european banking cartel. this was the 3rd and final try. It stuck. It's now "too big to" get out from under. they own our entire economy and have been allowed to implement their central banks the world over. whoever buys your debt or lends you money owns you. Think about it. "what do you need the money for? oh sure! here you go. just do this one thing more me first." there is no reason for the U.S.A. to borrow money from anyone, let alone international bankers who have international interests. This goes against all common sense thinking on foreign policy...especially considering we can print our own money and successfully have done just that in some of the most flourishing era's of our history. eg. greenbacks. Lincoln used the greenback to keep the north funded. The united states simply printed money not backed by gold or silver. just the confidence of the united states government.
As you know Lincoln was assassinated by a rando dude. Not unlike kennedy, assassinated by a rando. Andrew Jackson who battled alexander hamilton's attempts to form a central bank and crushed the first incarnation of the european central bank and delayed future attempts faced attempted assassination also by a rando dude as well.
think about it.
It's not possible to "think about it", as it's a stream of inventions.
CobraCommander wrote:cammac wrote:CobraCommander wrote:
I totally appreciate your both of your thoughts but I disagree on one point -and I know this directly from spending significant time in India and China with Indians and Chinese that work or worked in America- t he Chinese and Indian eliteont need to come to the US anymore to maximize thier potential as they can get paid better at home than here. the true elite (education and IQ) are able to make it happen at home! Vancouver is full of Chinese elites. Paris has a Louis Vuitton store that caters to Chinese people in such a patronizing way that French and English speakers are the minority
I appreciate your comments as well India isn't a country that I have visited but have both Indian and Sikh friends in Canada and lived in China for 10 years and my wife is Chinese. You are right and wrong Vancouver has the highest % of Chinese outside of any city in Asia. Toronto has the highest number of Chinese of any metropolitan area outside of Asia. The reality is high % of both middle class and upper class Chinese are looking to leave China. The upper class and middle class still believe it is better to educate there children outside of China.
Yes in most major Cities in China you see a much higher % of high end vehicles than you see in North America. While Trump rails on China it has its own huge economic problems. It is no longer a low cost country and is more and more dependent of internal consumption.
Hey if you looking for a disagreement you came to the wrong place. I agree that the upper class educate their kids outside of China...but it may be India, Japan, England or the US. The real elite dont live in a city or a country...they move as it suits them. Also they not coming to america to work for us...thats not in the cards. Trump, Bush and even Obama talked about this from the vantage point of men that have not been in the modern workplace. Let me ask you, if you chinese and you go to Stanford and get a job at google where do you work? Answer ANYWHERE YOU WANT! Your brain is the limited commodity. You can leave in Cupertino, Zanker, Bellevue, Reston or even PEI (i actually know someone working for google on PEI- she is Ghanaian - not Chinese). My point is people acting like global technology companies not global. They also acting like teleworking doesnt exist. You only need to go to the HQ or mothership if you want to be in serious serious management/leadership (and you can actually do that remotely...but its harder). I am saying that America being the shinning beacon on the hill is currently more a dream for the immigrant lower class (do you really think there is a true middle class outside of the western world?...you saw the poverty in china! You know what I'm talking about! It is worse in India). More and more the educated elite are coming here, getting educated and then going home. Some stay...I live in DMV so its full on immigrants 24/7 - and their 1st and second generation kids (which are Americans)--- but if you not born here, believing this is heaven on earth to everyone else is the height of arrogance and falsehood that we tell ourselves to feel good about ourselves.
I love it here...but I'm from here. I would assume if your home isnt wartorn you would have the same calling to be happy in your homeland (this last statement is an assumption based on how i love the DMV more than anywhere on earth...but i dont know why..the weather sucks - sometimes, the crime is REAL--we dont BS here. you can get Murk'd quick of a accidental grit, the city is small, the suburbs are sprawling, the traffic is horrible, the housing market is stagnant when compared to some of the other parts of the country, did i mention the traffic sucks...but we got gogo, the warf, the mall, the green line, the wizards, skins and capitals - what else do we have here again??
Zonkerbl wrote:Just for the record, credit dried up in the early 20th Century because we were still on the gold standard. Gold is an internationally traded commodity and has highly volatile prices, which makes basing your currency on it extremely stupid, since the availability of credit will depend crucially on the latest trends in gold prices. We know better than that now and use internationally accepted currencies issued by a strong, politically independent central bank that strictly regulates the trading price of the currency so that credit markets can be more stable. I don't care if this contradicts your previously held jewish conspiracy bs ideas - I'm a professional economist and I have spoken. Believe other idiot ideas if you must to feel better about your worthless life but this is the truth.
cammac wrote:CobraCommander wrote:cammac wrote:
I appreciate your comments as well India isn't a country that I have visited but have both Indian and Sikh friends in Canada and lived in China for 10 years and my wife is Chinese. You are right and wrong Vancouver has the highest % of Chinese outside of any city in Asia. Toronto has the highest number of Chinese of any metropolitan area outside of Asia. The reality is high % of both middle class and upper class Chinese are looking to leave China. The upper class and middle class still believe it is better to educate there children outside of China.
Yes in most major Cities in China you see a much higher % of high end vehicles than you see in North America. While Trump rails on China it has its own huge economic problems. It is no longer a low cost country and is more and more dependent of internal consumption.
Hey if you looking for a disagreement you came to the wrong place. I agree that the upper class educate their kids outside of China...but it may be India, Japan, England or the US. The real elite dont live in a city or a country...they move as it suits them. Also they not coming to america to work for us...thats not in the cards. Trump, Bush and even Obama talked about this from the vantage point of men that have not been in the modern workplace. Let me ask you, if you chinese and you go to Stanford and get a job at google where do you work? Answer ANYWHERE YOU WANT! Your brain is the limited commodity. You can leave in Cupertino, Zanker, Bellevue, Reston or even PEI (i actually know someone working for google on PEI- she is Ghanaian - not Chinese). My point is people acting like global technology companies not global. They also acting like teleworking doesnt exist. You only need to go to the HQ or mothership if you want to be in serious serious management/leadership (and you can actually do that remotely...but its harder). I am saying that America being the shinning beacon on the hill is currently more a dream for the immigrant lower class (do you really think there is a true middle class outside of the western world?...you saw the poverty in china! You know what I'm talking about! It is worse in India). More and more the educated elite are coming here, getting educated and then going home. Some stay...I live in DMV so its full on immigrants 24/7 - and their 1st and second generation kids (which are Americans)--- but if you not born here, believing this is heaven on earth to everyone else is the height of arrogance and falsehood that we tell ourselves to feel good about ourselves.
I love it here...but I'm from here. I would assume if your home isnt wartorn you would have the same calling to be happy in your homeland (this last statement is an assumption based on how i love the DMV more than anywhere on earth...but i dont know why..the weather sucks - sometimes, the crime is REAL--we dont BS here. you can get Murk'd quick of a accidental grit, the city is small, the suburbs are sprawling, the traffic is horrible, the housing market is stagnant when compared to some of the other parts of the country, did i mention the traffic sucks...but we got gogo, the warf, the mall, the green line, the wizards, skins and capitals - what else do we have here again??
Yes there is poverty in China and a very unequal distribution of wealth but in many ways the poverty is no worse than in many American cities. People are feed and do at least rudimentary education even in the countryside you don't see grinding poverty. Obviously that wasn't always the case my wife grew up in the cultural revolution with a similar realities to North Korea today. She was lucky being the 1st generation that could attend university and work extremely hard to bring herself and her daughter into the rising middle class. I have the utmost respect what she achieved before we met and frankly I'm not sure I could have done the same.
I think it has been asinine that America has trained many foreign students who want to remain and contribute being forced to return to there country of origin. A perfect example is my wife's cousins son who received a MBA at Michigan State and who wanted to stay in USA but had to return to China. Today he has immigrated to Canada and is doing well.
Every country has its scars and a major one is a huge blemish on Canada is the acknowledgement of our treatment of 1st Nations People. I hope it wasn't just words because Canada owes 1st Nations people's contribution to allow Canada to become a nation just not another part of the USA.
UcanUwill wrote:Can I ask completely unrelated question. I am completely ignorant on the subject, so its a genuine question. Why everyone wants to replace Obamacare, what is so wrong with that bill?