Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

[gambitx777]

I mean with the exception oh MPJ the pieces I listed may not be as valuable to those teams as bertians considering most of those teams are cap strapped and bertains might just be the best player they can actually reasonably bring in with a trade.

Word on the street is Denver is interested in bertains it sounds nuts but could we pull Michael Porter Jr away in a trade ? Doubtful. The Hawks ? Doubt the offer anything worth while? The Celtics might parts with that mem first this year and some young under preforming guys like Langford or one of the Williams . same with the 76ers Smith thybulle or bolden and the OKC first or those high seconds they have from NYC and Atlanta. ?

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I don’t think any of those teams would offer anything worthwhile . If Boston puts the Memphis pick in a package then obviously you’d have to look at that but can’t see that happening.

Think we should be looking at trades involving our other expirings like Mahinmi, Miles that allow us to take back salary in exchange for picks.

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[wall_glizzy]

Chiming in, as the Nuggets are my "other" team - like everybody else, I expect them to make some kind of move to consolidate a number of their young pieces. That said, the most likely to move are probably Malik Beasley and Juancho Hernangomez (both RFAs after this season). I'm pretty meh on Juancho, but I think Malik has enormous potential; unfortunately, he's signed with Rich Paul and seems intent on cashing out this season (iirc he declined some pretty solid extension offers from the Nuggets prior to the season). I have no doubt that he'd show out for us, but it'd only take one team to lavish a big offer on him in restricted free agency and turn our Bertans return into essentially nothing.

Incidentally, the other Nuggets players thought to be likely to move are Gary Harris and, as you mentioned, MPJ. However, I'd be shocked if either ended up involved in a deal for anything less than a bona fide star - someone like Beal (who I don't think we have any interest in trading) or Jrue Holiday. No chance Porter moves unless the Nuggets are getting a legitimate shot creator back - as it stands, he's practically their only guy in that mold, and that sort of consistent secondary scoring is their biggest need by far.

[trast66]

I’m with you on Beasley as a talent, seems like Malone dislikes him. He reportedly turned down $30M/3, and I don’t blame him. We probably think we have a better chance with Davis to resign. Beasley can’t yet play defense though the talent to do so is there. I really like him. But unless Klutch signals he would sign with us for $40M/3 or thereabouts I’d keep Davis. That weird fight he had with Sua Cravens is a concern for me as well.

Note Brad can’t be traded during the season.

[nate33]

Think we should be looking at trades involving our other expirings like Mahinmi, Miles that allow us to take back salary in exchange for picks.

That would be nice, but there's no trade out there. Nobody is looking to generate cap room this summer - not enough to sacrifice any real value to do so.

[nate33]

Word on the street is Denver is interested in bertains it sounds nuts but could we pull Michael Porter Jr away in a trade ? Doubtful. The Hawks ? Doubt the offer anything worth while? The Celtics might parts with that mem first this year and some young under preforming guys like Langford or one of the Williams . same with the 76ers Smith thybulle or bolden and the OKC first or those high seconds they have from NYC and Atlanta. ?

I think there's some decent suggestions there. Bertans for Thybulle or Bertans for MPJ makes pretty good sense for Philly and Denver respectively. They're contenders in need of perimeter shooting and Bertans is perfect for them. Yeah, they're losing a young piece for the future, but the future is now for those teams.

[truwizfan4evr]

Gary Clark anyone? He was just waived from the rockets.

[gambitx777]

Yeah that was my thought. Some might think it's an over pay but he'll the title might be wide open if you can make a push. I think if those were some of the assets tossed around you have to think about it.

Word on the street is Denver is interested in bertains it sounds nuts but could we pull Michael Porter Jr away in a trade ? Doubtful. The Hawks ? Doubt the offer anything worth while? The Celtics might parts with that mem first this year and some young under preforming guys like Langford or one of the Williams . same with the 76ers Smith thybulle or bolden and the OKC first or those high seconds they have from NYC and Atlanta. ?

I think there's some decent suggestions there. Bertans for Thybulle or Bertans for MPJ makes pretty good sense for Philly and Denver respectively. They're contenders in need of perimeter shooting and Bertans is perfect for them. Yeah, they're losing a young piece for the future, but the future is now for those teams.

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Grab Gary Clark ASAP

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Yes, grab him!

He was good last year; he's better this year. That's what you want!

But, we won't. For one thing we don't have a spot for him....

[nate33]

Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Read on Twitter

Yes, grab him!

He was good last year; he's better this year. That's what you want!

But, we won't. For one thing we don't have a spot for him....

We do if we waive Miles (and relinquish the DPE).

I'd do it. I don't think we're going to do much better with the DPE. I don't think any good vet is going to get cut and then choose to play in Washington. And I don't think there will be any team willing to give us a 2nd round pick in order to take an expiring $4M contract off their hands. The only teams with any luxtax woes are Golden State, Portland, Miami and Houston, and none of them have contracts that we could absorb that would provide them meaningful tax savings.

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Word on the street is Denver is interested in bertains it sounds nuts but could we pull Michael Porter Jr away in a trade ? Doubtful. The Hawks ? Doubt the offer anything worth while? The Celtics might parts with that mem first this year and some young under preforming guys like Langford or one of the Williams . same with the 76ers Smith thybulle or bolden and the OKC first or those high seconds they have from NYC and Atlanta. ?

I think there's some decent suggestions there. Bertans for Thybulle or Bertans for MPJ makes pretty good sense for Philly and Denver respectively. They're contenders in need of perimeter shooting and Bertans is perfect for them. Yeah, they're losing a young piece for the future, but the future is now for those teams.

I think Philly is in love w/ Thybulle -- for good reason, as he's played really well. I don't think he's going anywhere, but for sure I'd love that deal. Ditto a trade for MPJ, which I also think is a highly unlikely move on Denver's part.

As I've already written in Bertans' thread, the likeliest trading partner looks to be Boston. The ideal return would be their 2 low R1 picks next year, though getting only the higher of two would suffice.

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Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Read on Twitter

Yes, grab him!

He was good last year; he's better this year. That's what you want!

But, we won't. For one thing we don't have a spot for him....

We do if we waive Miles (and relinquish the DPE).

I'd do it. I don't think we're going to do much better with the DPE. I don't think any good vet is going to get cut and then choose to play in Washington. And I don't think there will be any team willing to give us a 2nd round pick in order to take an expiring $4M contract off their hands. The only teams with any luxtax woes are Golden State, Portland, Miami and Houston, and none of them have contracts that we could absorb that would provide them meaningful tax savings.

Sounds good to me! I suppose that if we don't relinquish the DPE, then we can sign him w/o waiving Miles. Is there a financial difference between those two paths?

[gambitx777]

Yeah I'd consider Smith and bolden and a first or the two high seconds I like thybulle but he might be hard to get. Same with MPJ, but he's about it on the nuggets team. But for boton. I can see them giving up a court of the young guys they have and a first for bertains alot of those cheep young guys are projects land former low first round picks, like Langford and the Williams, they have a lot of high caliber wings and need help up front bertains would go a long way to help that, So who knows.

Word on the street is Denver is interested in bertains it sounds nuts but could we pull Michael Porter Jr away in a trade ? Doubtful. The Hawks ? Doubt the offer anything worth while? The Celtics might parts with that mem first this year and some young under preforming guys like Langford or one of the Williams . same with the 76ers Smith thybulle or bolden and the OKC first or those high seconds they have from NYC and Atlanta. ?

I think there's some decent suggestions there. Bertans for Thybulle or Bertans for MPJ makes pretty good sense for Philly and Denver respectively. They're contenders in need of perimeter shooting and Bertans is perfect for them. Yeah, they're losing a young piece for the future, but the future is now for those teams.

I think Philly is in love w/ Thybulle -- for good reason, as he's played really well. I don't think he's going anywhere, but for sure I'd love that deal. Ditto a trade for MPJ, which I also think is a highly unlikely move on Denver's part.

As I've already written in Bertans' thread, the likeliest trading partner looks to be Boston. The ideal return would be their 2 low R1 picks next year, though getting only the higher of two would suffice.

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[nate33]

Yes, grab him!

He was good last year; he's better this year. That's what you want!

But, we won't. For one thing we don't have a spot for him....

We do if we waive Miles (and relinquish the DPE).

I'd do it. I don't think we're going to do much better with the DPE. I don't think any good vet is going to get cut and then choose to play in Washington. And I don't think there will be any team willing to give us a 2nd round pick in order to take an expiring $4M contract off their hands. The only teams with any luxtax woes are Golden State, Portland, Miami and Houston, and none of them have contracts that we could absorb that would provide them meaningful tax savings.

Sounds good to me! I suppose that if we don't relinquish the DPE, then we can sign him w/o waiving Miles. Is there a financial difference between those two paths?

We don't have the roster spots, unless we cut IT, that is. Right now, Miles counts as our 15th.

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The DPE doesn't give us a 16th spot?

In any case, it doesn't matter, as there'd be no reason not to cut Miles who's out for the season anyway.

[nate33]

As I've already written in Bertans' thread, the likeliest trading partner looks to be Boston. The ideal return would be their 2 low R1 picks next year, though getting only the higher of two would suffice.

I'd trade him for those two late picks. I don't think Boston will finish the season in 3rd place. Their pick will probably be something like the #24 or #25 pick. The Milwaukee pick will be #30.

A lot would depend on my intelligence assessment of what Atlanta, Charlotte and Memphis intend to do this offseason. If Atlanta really is interested in Bertans, I'd be looking to trade him now. I don't want to get into a bidding war over Bertans in the offseason and end up signing him to a 3-year $50M contract.

Frankly, rather than trade him for two 2020 1sts, I'd be trying to trade him for one 2020 pick and another pick in 2021 or 2022. In the short term, we've got a lot of roster spots already obligated to young guys.

[nate33]

The DPE doesn't give us a 16th spot?

In any case, it doesn't matter, as there'd be no reason not to cut Miles who's out for the season anyway.

No. I don't think it does. It gives us the opportunity to replace Miles, not add to him.

Basically, we could cut Miles and use the vet minimum to sign anyone to a contract up to 3 years long. Or we can turn Miles into a $4.3M DPE which can only be used to sign a guy whose contract expires in 2020.

Assuming there isn't a $4M expiring contract deadweight salary out there that some team wants to offload for a 2nd round pick, I'd prefer to just go sign Gary Clark or Johnathon Williams right now to a 1+1 minimum salary contract (2nd year TO).

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...Frankly, rather than trade him for two 2020 1sts, I'd be trying to trade him for one 2020 pick and another pick in 2021 or 2022. In the short term, we've got a lot of roster spots already obligated to young guys.

Good point, nate -- & that should also mean we get more assets overall, given the time value of money. &, given that we do not have our own R2 pick in any year until 2024 (grrrr... Ernie....), accumulating future draft picks is extremely valuable to us.

If Boston were to give us their own R1 pick next year plus their R1 pick in 2022, that would be great. In honesty, however... I don't feel a lot of confidence in that possibility. Two R1 picks is an awful lot for an expiring Davis Bertans.

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...Assuming there isn't a $4M expiring contract deadweight salary out there that some team wants to offload for a 2nd round pick, I'd prefer to just go sign Gary Clark or Johnathon Williams right now to a 1+1 minimum salary contract (2nd year TO).

Absolutely.

[gambitx777]

The way I see it we do get the extra spot but he has to stay on the team to use the exception so you can't cut or trade him. So it's a dead spot either way you cut it. Dpe make sense for guys on long term contracts. But not a lot of sense on 1 year guys cuz you can just buy them out and cut them and have more flexibility with who you sign if you're going after a FA but the trade exception does make trades an option. But in this market I think we are better off cutting miles. Imo

The DPE doesn't give us a 16th spot?

In any case, it doesn't matter, as there'd be no reason not to cut Miles who's out for the season anyway.

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[MagicBagley18]

Posted this In another thread so my apologies but what are your expectations on a bertans trade? Happening or not and if so what’s your realistic expectations of a return for him