Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

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Wow... everybody is trying to convince themselves that we are on the verge of trading John Wall -- & sending picks along with him.

Why would we do that? Anyone have even one good reason?

Didn't think so....

[dckingsfan]

Wow... everybody is trying to convince themselves that we are on the verge of trading John Wall -- & sending picks along with him.

Why would we do that? Anyone have even one good reason?

Didn't think so....

Historical #soWizards. Or maybe for us it should be hysterical #soWiazards

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LOL!

[gambitx777]

Wiz get james johnson
Mavs get randle
NYK get wall and 2 2022 seconds and 2 2023 seconds (one from each the wiz and the mavs. )

Randle is a younger much better james johnson at this point and he has a better personality. Flipping him for randle would be a steal for the mavs.

The wizards save 25 mill off rips and they can flip johnson or just buy him out andmove on.

The NYK make room for obi to be the guy along side robinson. And wall gets to be the man. They have enough pgs on the team to spulinent wall if needed and the money works. The seconds seem like a fair enough payment. Considering the situation that they are in where they have no real starting caliber pg and no hope of any free agent taking their money in the next year or two.



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[nate33]

Wiz get james johnson
Mavs get randle
NYK get wall and 2 2022 seconds and 2 2023 seconds (one from each the wiz and the mavs. )

Randle is a younger much better james johnson at this point and he has a better personality. Flipping him for randle would be a steal for the mavs.

The wizards save 25 mill off rips and they can flip johnson or just buy him out andmove on.

The NYK make room for obi to be the guy along side robinson. And wall gets to be the man. They have enough pgs on the team to spulinent wall if needed and the money works. The seconds seem like a fair enough payment. Considering the situation that they are in where they have no real starting caliber pg and no hope of any free agent taking their money in the next year or two.



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Sure. If the Wizards can flip John Wall for a $16M expiring contract and not give up a pick in the process, that's a no-brainer whether we end up with Randle, Johnson, or a $16M ham sandwich.

The only question is whether or not NY is prepared to take on Wall's salary. I think the answer to that question right now is no, but things could change midseason if Wall plays well and there's pressure in NY to get better faster.

[bsilver]

Wiz get james johnson
Mavs get randle
NYK get wall and 2 2022 seconds and 2 2023 seconds (one from each the wiz and the mavs. )

Randle is a younger much better james johnson at this point and he has a better personality. Flipping him for randle would be a steal for the mavs.

The wizards save 25 mill off rips and they can flip johnson or just buy him out andmove on.

The NYK make room for obi to be the guy along side robinson. And wall gets to be the man. They have enough pgs on the team to spulinent wall if needed and the money works. The seconds seem like a fair enough payment. Considering the situation that they are in where they have no real starting caliber pg and no hope of any free agent taking their money in the next year or two.



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Sure. If the Wizards can flip John Wall for a $16M expiring contract and not give up a pick in the process, that's a no-brainer whether we end up with Randle, Johnson, or a $16M ham sandwich.

The only question is whether or not NY is prepared to take on Wall's salary. I think the answer to that question right now is no, but things could change midseason if Wall plays well and there's pressure in NY to get better faster.

If Wall plays well, then we're a playoff contender. What if we get lucky with Deni and he looks to be future all star? Then, maybe next season we could be as good as anyone in the East.

Getting rid of Wall doesn't make us bad enough to guarantee a really bad season. Beal would have to go also to guarantee some really bad seasons, and high draft picks. With a lot of cap room does anyone really think we'd be attractive to top free agents?

If Wall plays poorly then no one wants him, and if he plays well we'll want him. Seems like the only way he'll be leaving is if he plays well, and demands to be traded.

[nate33]

Wiz get james johnson
Mavs get randle
NYK get wall and 2 2022 seconds and 2 2023 seconds (one from each the wiz and the mavs. )

Randle is a younger much better james johnson at this point and he has a better personality. Flipping him for randle would be a steal for the mavs.

The wizards save 25 mill off rips and they can flip johnson or just buy him out andmove on.

The NYK make room for obi to be the guy along side robinson. And wall gets to be the man. They have enough pgs on the team to spulinent wall if needed and the money works. The seconds seem like a fair enough payment. Considering the situation that they are in where they have no real starting caliber pg and no hope of any free agent taking their money in the next year or two.



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Sure. If the Wizards can flip John Wall for a $16M expiring contract and not give up a pick in the process, that's a no-brainer whether we end up with Randle, Johnson, or a $16M ham sandwich.

The only question is whether or not NY is prepared to take on Wall's salary. I think the answer to that question right now is no, but things could change midseason if Wall plays well and there's pressure in NY to get better faster.

If Wall plays well, then we're a playoff contender. What if we get lucky with Deni and he looks to be future all star? Then, maybe next season we could be as good as anyone in the East.

Getting rid of Wall doesn't make us bad enough to guarantee a really bad season. Beal would have to go also to guarantee some really bad seasons, and high draft picks. With a lot of cap room does anyone really think we'd be attractive to top free agents?

If Wall plays poorly then no one wants him, and if he plays well we'll want him. Seems like the only way he'll be leaving is if he plays well, and demands to be traded.

If Wall is traded for expirings, the Wizards would be players in free agency this summer.

But I agree that is unlikely he will be traded if he plays well, unless Beal really is pushing for a trade.

[gambitx777]

Yeah I can see that as a wash I mean ideally you could do that before things start and maybe make a push for rose or another pg but honestly. Meh it just gets wall gone and keeps our picks. That's the only reasonable trade I could think of where every one bennifits in someway and no one really gets washed. That's just speaks to how bad the NYK are. Because even john wall as over paid as he is he valences that team out. Payton is injury pron nittilkinna and smith jr are unproven. Like it really works for that team, a good pg is what they need.

For the mavs like yeah they help us out but they get a big upgrade over what they got for I think nothing in a trade anyway.

Like I said for the wiz you have choices to make do you go after like derrick rose. Maybe sign a retread like lin, reggie jackson, or shabazz.take another rub at Chris chiozza. Maybe get another retread from over seas or request the rights to is off sannon back from NYK in the deal for cash. There isn't many pgs out there. That's wouldn't cost a lot in a trade. We have three on the team so you could just go out and get a good player that's left and give some more money to mathews for the spot on the team to be permanent. None are game changers but just assuming we need to move him.

Wiz get james johnson
Mavs get randle
NYK get wall and 2 2022 seconds and 2 2023 seconds (one from each the wiz and the mavs. )

Randle is a younger much better james johnson at this point and he has a better personality. Flipping him for randle would be a steal for the mavs.

The wizards save 25 mill off rips and they can flip johnson or just buy him out andmove on.

The NYK make room for obi to be the guy along side robinson. And wall gets to be the man. They have enough pgs on the team to spulinent wall if needed and the money works. The seconds seem like a fair enough payment. Considering the situation that they are in where they have no real starting caliber pg and no hope of any free agent taking their money in the next year or two.



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Sure. If the Wizards can flip John Wall for a $16M expiring contract and not give up a pick in the process, that's a no-brainer whether we end up with Randle, Johnson, or a $16M ham sandwich.

The only question is whether or not NY is prepared to take on Wall's salary. I think the answer to that question right now is no, but things could change midseason if Wall plays well and there's pressure in NY to get better faster.

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[gambitx777]

I got wasted the other night and came up with a huge 4-5 team block buster that landed us Mike conally jr and Tyrese Maxey. For John wall and 5 second round picks. Involving the wiz, 76ers, rockets and detroit and the jazz!

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[WallStar]

I got wasted the other night and came up with a huge 4-5 team block buster that landed us Mike conally jr and Tyrese Maxey. For John wall and 5 second round picks. Involving the wiz, 76ers, rockets and detroit and the jazz!

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I think you're still drunk bro

[NYG]

Would the Wizards do this deal?

New York gets:
John Wall
-Two Earliest 2021 First Round Draft Picks of New York/Washington/Dallas (Latest pick of the three goes to Washington)
-2023 Conditional Wizards First Round Draft Pick (protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-5 in 2025; if Washington has not conveyed a first round pick to New York by 2025, then Washington will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York)

Washington gets:
DeMar DeRozan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Dennis Smith Jr.

San Antonio Spurs get:
Deni Avdija
Julius Randle
Thomas Bryant

So Avdija, a pick swap in 2021 and a nicely protected 2023 1st to turn Wall and Bryant into DeRozan, Aldridge and DSJ which I think compliments Washington nicely.

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Would the Wizards do this deal?

New York gets:
John Wall
-Two Earliest 2021 First Round Draft Picks of New York/Washington/Dallas (Latest pick of the three goes to Washington)
-2023 Conditional Wizards First Round Draft Pick (protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-5 in 2025; if Washington has not conveyed a first round pick to New York by 2025, then Washington will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York)

Washington gets:
DeMar DeRozan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Dennis Smith Jr.

San Antonio Spurs get:
Deni Avdija
Julius Randle
Thomas Bryant

So Avdija, a pick swap in 2021 and a nicely protected 2023 1st to turn Wall and Bryant into DeRozan, Aldridge and DSJ which I think compliments Washington nicely.

GTFO.

Typical Knick fan nonsense. No, we are not quitting on a 5 time returning allstar, our swiftly developing high energy young center, and giving up picks for the former basketball player LaMarcus Aldridge, the midrange anachronism DeMar, and "What Happened to" Dennis Smith Jr.

The team is building around Wall and Beal, whatever the issue that landed them in the news they are not trading away their future picks. WHen you assemble a trade, if at the end you look at it and go, 'Yeah That Would be Great!' then your trade is imbalanced, won't work and is likely to get laughed off the board when you show up with it. Yeah, no. The Knicks board is full of this kind of nonsense, keep it over there, smh.

[Rafael122]

I would hate to be Shep right now. Here's what he's going through:

1. Relying on Wall to see if he's got anything left, and if he does, he can probably trade him, ideally for expiring contracts. The issue is...

2. At some point, the '21 offseason was shaping up to be really nice but guys like Chris Paul are not opting out of a $40 million contract. Not that the Wizards should be interested, but Blake isn't opting out of his $35 million salary either. It might be interesting if Paul George opts out, Kawhi as well. I'm assuming Giannis is staying put. But the next two free agent classes aren't great which is why I can see the Knicks making a run at Wall because if the top guys stay put, you're going to have a bunch of teams with a ton of cap room and no one to spend it on. Then there's...

3. The '21 draft class is shaping up to be big. So does Shep trade Wall for expirings and tank? You get a lotto pick in an 8-9 player draft, get rid of Wall's contract but don't have the free agents to spend $ on.

That's on top of keeping Beal happy and competing. Tough.

[gambitx777]

Give that poster a cookie I was in fact still hammered !

I got wasted the other night and came up with a huge 4-5 team block buster that landed us Mike conally jr and Tyrese Maxey. For John wall and 5 second round picks. Involving the wiz, 76ers, rockets and detroit and the jazz!

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I think you're still drunk bro

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[pcbothwel]

I would hate to be Shep right now. Here's what he's going through:

1. Relying on Wall to see if he's got anything left, and if he does, he can probably trade him, ideally for expiring contracts. The issue is...

2. At some point, the '21 offseason was shaping up to be really nice but guys like Chris Paul are not opting out of a $40 million contract. Not that the Wizards should be interested, but Blake isn't opting out of his $35 million salary either. It might be interesting if Paul George opts out, Kawhi as well. I'm assuming Giannis is staying put. But the next two free agent classes aren't great which is why I can see the Knicks making a run at Wall because if the top guys stay put, you're going to have a bunch of teams with a ton of cap room and no one to spend it on. Then there's...

3. The '21 draft class is shaping up to be big. So does Shep trade Wall for expirings and tank? You get a lotto pick in an 8-9 player draft, get rid of Wall's contract but don't have the free agents to spend $ on.

That's on top of keeping Beal happy and competing. Tough.

This is the real problem. You cant trade Wall and expect to get a better player, but you cant dump him and expect Brad to stick around for another run.
THE ONLY WAY we move Wall and keep Beal is if:
1) Wall proves to be healthy & good enough to entice a team to be a top 2-3 player on the team
2) Young guys like Rui, TBJ, Bryant, and Deni make BIG leaps and prove to Brad that they are a .500+ team without Wall.
3) Wall / Beal are Both Great, but Just dont play as well together.

If 1 fails, then we cant move Wall without picks and therefore downgrade our current team as well as future assets.
If 2 Fails, then Beal will be out the door because the only thing he'll dislike more than Wall, is a trash roster. We cant ship out Wall (Even for free/expirings) and expect Beal to just be happy with mediocre rotation players.

I still think the time to strike on a Wall trade (again, assuming he's back to form but also wants to leave) is next summer.
Look at the Hayward SnT. NOBODY thought he would get that contract from the Charlotte, and the same thing will happen next summer.

Wait until Mike Conley gets a 3/75M deal as he is about to turn 34 or Kelly Oubre signs a 4/100M deal.
Wall's deal is going to become "Market Rate" REALLY fast...

[LyricalRico]

I still think the time to strike on a Wall trade (again, assuming he's back to form but also wants to leave) is next summer.
Look at the Hayward SnT. NOBODY thought he would get that contract from the Charlotte, and the same thing will happen next summer.

Wait until Mike Conley gets a 3/75M deal as he is about to turn 34 or Kelly Oubre signs a 4/100M deal.
Wall's deal is going to become "Market Rate" REALLY fast...

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I still think the time to strike on a Wall trade (again, assuming he's back to form but also wants to leave) is next summer.
Look at the Hayward SnT. NOBODY thought he would get that contract from the Charlotte, and the same thing will happen next summer.

Wait until Mike Conley gets a 3/75M deal as he is about to turn 34 or Kelly Oubre signs a 4/100M deal.
Wall's deal is going to become "Market Rate" REALLY fast...

Man, Rico, what a buzzkill.

I logged on and saw you had posted in the trade thread and was expecting a six way, with 14 different pick protection scenarios and Allen Houston going back to the Knicks.

Season’s about to start. We need a patented LyricalRico stemwinder.

[LyricalRico]

Man, Rico, what a buzzkill.

I logged on and saw you had posted in the trade thread and was expecting a six way, with 14 different pick protection scenarios and Allen Houston going back to the Knicks.

Season’s about to start. We need a patented LyricalRico stemwinder.

I've actually got an 8-team deal that's almost done, just need to figure out out how to get the Wizards either another top-59 protected 2nd or the ghost of Pete Maravich. Stay tuned!

[Ruzious]

I like the kiss method of trades - keep it simple sucka. Speaking of which - this is a midseason trade we make to improve our interior defense. Orlando has the opposite problem - looking for a high volume 3 point marksman.

We trade Bertans and Wagner to Orlando for... you guessed it - Aminu and Bamba. Aminu was awful and injured most of last season, but if he gets his health back, he's a very good defensive PF and provides enough of a 3 point threat to keep defenses honest. People like to call Bamba a bust, but he just needs more experience.

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I love that trade, Ruz. Better yet, I think they might go for it.

But... I can't imagine our FO doing it.

Edit: Can we throw in Jerome Robinson & take back Gary Clark?