Offseason Plan

[NatP4]

Of course you're happy with the Porzingis trade! We're all happy with the Porzingis trade! Why would we not be happy with the Porzingis trade?

We got rid of an awful contract. We moved a guy who just was not working out. We even got a R2 pick as part of the deal -- & god knows we have few enough of those!

So, absolutely! The Porzingis trade was totally terrific.

As to your assessment of his play, quoting numbers whose meaning you don't know doesn't add much. Nor were his numbers with us "video game stuff." They were somewhat -- not a huge amount -- above average for an NBA Center.

edit: for example, you make much of his 60.6% TS% for us. The average TS% of an NBA Center last year was 60.5%. He also got .4 more rebounds than average per 40 minutes as a Wizard.

Not complaining -- just introducing a little reality check.

Not a single other poster on this board agrees with you regarding Porzingis. Just like the discussion regarding Thomas Bryant.

Maybe you’re the one that needs a little reality check?

[pcbothwel]

Of course you're happy with the Porzingis trade! We're all happy with the Porzingis trade! Why would we not be happy with the Porzingis trade?

We got rid of an awful contract. We moved a guy who just was not working out. We even got a R2 pick as part of the deal -- & god knows we have few enough of those!

So, absolutely! The Porzingis trade was totally terrific.

As to your assessment of his play, quoting numbers whose meaning you don't know doesn't add much. Nor were his numbers with us "video game stuff." They were somewhat -- not a huge amount -- above average for an NBA Center.

edit: for example, you make much of his 60.6% TS% for us. The average TS% of an NBA Center last year was 60.5%. He also got .4 more rebounds than average per 40 minutes as a Wizard.

Not complaining -- just introducing a little reality check.

Not a single other poster on this board agrees with you regarding Porzingis. Just like the discussion regarding Thomas Bryant.

Maybe you’re the one that needs a little reality check?

PIF... You clearly have a bias here because you are too smart for this. You point to 'average' TS without providing any context.
KP put up a 60.5% TS on 28MPG and 31% usage. He also did that while attempting 60% of his FGA outside of 10 feet. But to you, thats comparable to Mason Plumlee who had a 60% TS...Nevermind the 11% usage and that 5% of his FGA were from outside of 10ft... Im sure that has no effect on his teammates. Boy how about that rebounding.

[nate33]

edit: for example, you make much of his 60.6% TS% for us. The average TS% of an NBA Center last year was 60.5%. He also got .4 more rebounds than average per 40 minutes as a Wizard.

How many centers scored 28.3 points per 36 minutes? And how many of them did so while spending most of their time around the top of the key?

What your wins produced spreadsheet doesn't capture is that Porzingis managed to post a TS% of 60% on very high volume while shooting 42% of his attempts from outside of 16 feet and 60% of his attempts outside of 10 feet. That matters. It means that the opposing center is away from the rim so the lane is open for other players to drive.

[DCZards]

Nate’s point about Porzingis improved play as a Zard being a product of scheme and coaching is an important one.

Wes Jr. employed KP in ways that I don’t believe he’s been used in the past, primarily operating out of the high post as a distributor and kind of traffic cop on offense…somewhat similar to how Denver uses the Joker, who credits Wes Jr. with being important to his development.

Could this new scheme unlock the Zingers true potential? We shall see.

[payitforward]

edit: for example, you make much of his 60.6% TS% for us. The average TS% of an NBA Center last year was 60.5%. He also got .4 more rebounds than average per 40 minutes as a Wizard.

How many centers scored 28.3 points per 36 minutes? And how many of them did so while spending most of their time around the top of the key? ...

Actually, you make an extremely good point, nate! Porzingis' usage was substantially higher than an average Center -- 67% higher! -- which makes his TS% extremely impressive. Along with the rest of his numbers.

My brain was sleeping. KP was terrific for us in just under 480 minutes. The results weren't there in an improved record (we went 7-10 in the 17 games he played), but if he were to play a full season at the same level of productivity we'd certainly expect to see an improved record (other things being equal, obviously).

...What your wins produced spreadsheet doesn't capture...

I don't use a spreadsheet, nate -- I do it all in my head. & I don't even have to remove it from my.....

[payitforward]

Nate’s point about Porzingis improved play as a Zard being a product of scheme and coaching is an important one.

Wes Jr. employed KP in ways that I don’t believe he’s been used in the past, primarily operating out of the high post as a distributor and kind of traffic cop on offense…somewhat similar to how Denver uses the Joker, who credits Wes Jr. with being important to his development.

Could this new scheme unlock the Zingers true potential? We shall see.

Very interesting! & in fact, in his 17 games KP recorded more than twice his career average in assists/40 minutes. Still not near Jokic, of course -- but impressive right off the bat w/ no real time to prepare.

I like it!

[gambitx777]

If we have interest in Shane Larkin a trade back and draft of Chandler is the smartest move .

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[dobrojim]

Nate’s point about Porzingis improved play as a Zard being a product of scheme and coaching is an important one.

Wes Jr. employed KP in ways that I don’t believe he’s been used in the past, primarily operating out of the high post as a distributor and kind of traffic cop on offense…somewhat similar to how Denver uses the Joker, who credits Wes Jr. with being important to his development.

Could this new scheme unlock the Zingers true potential? We shall see.

Given that KP was very effective in the high post, I really like the potential for Gaff
to get minutes with KP and use a high-low alignment with Gaff on the blocks.

That said, the question of how effective this would be defensively is very pertinent.

[nate33]

Nate’s point about Porzingis improved play as a Zard being a product of scheme and coaching is an important one.

Wes Jr. employed KP in ways that I don’t believe he’s been used in the past, primarily operating out of the high post as a distributor and kind of traffic cop on offense…somewhat similar to how Denver uses the Joker, who credits Wes Jr. with being important to his development.

Could this new scheme unlock the Zingers true potential? We shall see.

Given that KP was very effective in the high post, I really like the potential for Gaff
to get minutes with KP and use a high-low alignment with Gaff on the blocks.

That said, the question of how effective this would be defensively is very pertinent.

I think it will make sense occasionally, when the matchups are right. But it probably won't be part of the regular rotation. There aren't a whole lot of minutes available for them to share the floor together anyhow. I don't really want to see Porzingis play more than 32 minutes a night given his injury concerns, and Gafford seems to only be capable of about 24. So that only allows them to share the floor for 8 minutes.

[payitforward]

Not a single other poster on this board agrees with you regarding Porzingis.... Maybe you’re the one that needs a little reality check?

PIF... You clearly have a bias here because you are too smart for this. You point to 'average' TS without providing any context.
KP put up a 60.5% TS on 28MPG and 31% usage. He also did that while attempting 60% of his FGA outside of 10 feet....

Just to be explicit, like nate & zards, you 2 are also right to criticize my superficial read on KP's numbers.

My bad. Above all, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what he can do coming out of a full training camp, with Brad on the court, etc.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Remember how I went on about Paul Millsap? I am starting to feel the same way about Trevion Williams. He is a high post center who rebounds like Paul Silas and Clifford Ray. He screens well. He passes like Draymond Green. This guy can play with both Porzingis and Gafford; but, I expressed my desire for Gafford elsewhere. DG is a starting NBA center.

Three things I hope to see: 1. Wizards trade Beal and get the #7 pick. (Murray or Daniels). 2. Wizards draft Tari Eason 3. Wizards trade Rui and 54 for a veteran PG and a 30-something round two pick. Draft Trevion Williams

This team would become much more balanced and competitive right away.

[nate33]

Remember how I went on about Paul Millsap? I am starting to feel the same way about Trevion Williams. He is a high post center who rebounds like Paul Silas and Clifford Ray. He screens well. He passes like Draymond Green. This guy can play with both Porzingis and Gafford; but, I expressed my desire for Gafford elsewhere. DG is a starting NBA center.

Three things I hope to see: 1. Wizards trade Beal and get the #7 pick. (Murray or Daniels). 2. Wizards draft Tari Eason 3. Wizards trade Rui and 54 for a veteran PG and a 30-something round two pick. Draft Trevion Williams

This team would become much more balanced and competitive right away.

You gotta be careful when comparing any long-armed, 6-8, interior player with Draymond Green. Draymond arguably has the GOAT defensive IQ. There's nobody like him. The guy is an absolute savant in sniffing out the offense's strategy and intuitively getting in position to blow it up.

I could buy that Williams is comparable to Draymond on offense, with his stout frame, long arms, bball IQ and passing ability. But I just don't see the defensive ability; and that's what makes Draymond great. Draymond has really quick feet for a guy his size; Williams is one of the slowest guys ever measured at the combine. His lane agility is 12.75! (Draymond's is 11.01.) Tacko Fall is the only guy drafted in the last 8 years with a slower time. Williams' shuttle run is also the slowest in this class and one of the slowest on record for a guy under 6-10. If you are going to play center in this league, you better be tall enough to protect the rim, or quick enough to switch onto the perimeter. Williams is neither. He'll be a massive liability on defense from Day 1.

If you are massive liability on defense at center, you pretty much doom your team to failure. The only exceptions are the truly elite offensive centers like Jokic. And Williams is clearly not elite on offense. He is merely "interesting" due to his passing.

[pcbothwel]

There is one generational defender in the draft and it's Sochan. I think he is Looney/Covington very quickly, with a Jonathan Issac/Draymond/Horford type upside in a few years.

Draft Sochan, trade Rui + KCP or Kuz + Ish for Brogdan (Prefer the latter package for shooting/fit), bring back Otto

Brogdan / Sato
Beal / Kispert
Deni / KCP
Rui / Otto / Sochan
KP / Gafford / Sochan

[nate33]

There is one generational defender in the draft and it's Sochan. I think he is Looney/Covington very quickly, with a Jonathan Issac/Draymond/Horford type upside in a few years.

Draft Sochan, trade Rui + KCP or Kuz + Ish for Brogdan (Prefer the latter package for shooting/fit), bring back Otto

Brogdan / Sato
Beal / Kispert
Deni / KCP
Rui / Otto / Sochan
KP / Gafford / Sochan

Kuz plus Ish doesn't get us Brogdon. It'll have to be Rui plus either KCP or Kuzma.

I'm still not really in favor of any trade for Brogdon. I just don't see the point in trying to get incrementally better in the short term by adding a 30-year-old vet. I'd rather continuing to build around youth, with the hope of trading Beal in the near future.

Also, having Brodgon and Porzingis to team with Beal seems like the worst possible idea for Leonsis-run team. They will get hurt as they always do, and we will miss the playoffs or barely sneak in. And every summer, Ted will proclaim: "if we can stay healthy, we will be a contender".

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Remember how I went on about Paul Millsap? I am starting to feel the same way about Trevion Williams. He is a high post center who rebounds like Paul Silas and Clifford Ray. He screens well. He passes like Draymond Green. This guy can play with both Porzingis and Gafford; but, I expressed my desire for Gafford elsewhere. DG is a starting NBA center.

Three things I hope to see: 1. Wizards trade Beal and get the #7 pick. (Murray or Daniels). 2. Wizards draft Tari Eason 3. Wizards trade Rui and 54 for a veteran PG and a 30-something round two pick. Draft Trevion Williams

This team would become much more balanced and competitive right away.

You gotta be careful when comparing any long-armed, 6-8, interior player with Draymond Green. Draymond arguably has the GOAT defensive IQ. There's nobody like him. The guy is an absolute savant in sniffing out the offense's strategy and intuitively getting in position to blow it up.

I could buy that Williams is comparable to Draymond on offense, with his stout frame, long arms, bball IQ and passing ability. But I just don't see the defensive ability; and that's what makes Draymond great. Draymond has really quick feet for a guy his size; Williams is one of the slowest guys ever measured at the combine. His lane agility is 12.75! (Draymond's is 11.01.) Tacko Fall is the only guy drafted in the last 8 years with a slower time. Williams' shuttle run is also the slowest in this class and one of the slowest on record for a guy under 6-10. If you are going to play center in this league, you better be tall enough to protect the rim, or quick enough to switch onto the perimeter. Williams is neither. He'll be a massive liability on defense from Day 1.

If you are massive liability on defense at center, you pretty much doom your team to failure. The only exceptions are the truly elite offensive centers like Jokic. And Williams is clearly not elite on offense. He is merely "interesting" due to his passing.

I said he passes like Draymond Green.That's the only comparison I made.

Check out their comparative college stats, per 40:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/draymond-green-1.html
145 66 3619 6.0 12.9 .467 5.0 10.1 .496 1.0 2.8 .361 3.8 5.5 .687 12.1 4.7 2.0 1.3 3.1 4.4 16.8
130 60 2464 9.8 18.5 .531 9.7 18.0 .536 0.1 0.5 .310 3.1 5.9 .529 14.7 3.9 1.4 1.1 3.5 4.8 22.9
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trevion-williams-1.html

Green had a better assists-to-turnovers, 4.7 to 3.1 vs 3.9 to 3.5. Williams was a far better scorer 22.9 to 16.8 and a far better rebounder, even with Edey and Ivey as teammates; 14.7 to 12.1.

Trevion Williams is going to be a very good NBA player. Draymond Green is great in part because of the Splash Brothers. Not taking a thing away from him MY FOCUS is on the Wizards draft.

After looking at the numbers, I'm even more convinced Trevion is the steal of this draft.

nate, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ABOUT DEFENSE. TREVION IS A STEP SLOW ON DEFENSE AND HIS STOUT FRAME WON'T HELP IN TRANSITION. Regardless, I like the player a ton.

Draymond really is a phenom on defense.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There is one generational defender in the draft and it's Sochan. I think he is Looney/Covington very quickly, with a Jonathan Issac/Draymond/Horford type upside in a few years.

Draft Sochan, trade Rui + KCP or Kuz + Ish for Brogdan (Prefer the latter package for shooting/fit), bring back Otto

Brogdan / Sato
Beal / Kispert
Deni / KCP
Rui / Otto / Sochan
KP / Gafford / Sochan

Back when I was good ...

I remember Looney came out of Milwaukee HS the same year as Diamond Stone (Terp bust) and Henry Ellenson (Marquette, had a cup of coffee in the NBA). I wanted the Wizards to draft Looney.

[NatP4]

I’m a big fan of Sochan. I think he would drastically change this team defensively. Still really wanna send Rui or Kuzma to the Spurs for Tre Jones. Love his numbers across the board. I still call Dallas about a Brunson/Kuzma S&T.

At 10:

1.Daniels
2. Sochan
3. Dieng
4. Eason

Really wanna improve defensively with every move we make this off-season, which means doing something about the 4 position with Rui&Kuzma, and finding a PG that plays both ends.

[NatP4]

I love the Spurs as a trade partner. Something centered around Tre Jones+20th pick, and the 25th pick for Rui+10 would be awesome if all the good players are off the board at 10.

At 20&25 you can look at Dalen Terry, Christian Braun, Walker Kessler, maybe even Dieng/Eason.

Would be a dream to go 10+Kuzma for 7, take Daniels, and Rui for 25+Tre Jones, and take Dalen Terry. Could still get Otto for the MLE and bring back Gill.

Jones Daniels
Beal Terry
Kispert KCP
Avdija Otto Gill
Porzingis Gafford

[gesa2]

There is one generational defender in the draft and it's Sochan. I think he is Looney/Covington very quickly, with a Jonathan Issac/Draymond/Horford type upside in a few years.

Draft Sochan, trade Rui + KCP or Kuz + Ish for Brogdan (Prefer the latter package for shooting/fit), bring back Otto

Brogdan / Sato
Beal / Kispert
Deni / KCP
Rui / Otto / Sochan
KP / Gafford / Sochan

Kuz plus Ish doesn't get us Brogdon. It'll have to be Rui plus either KCP or Kuzma.

I'm still not really in favor of any trade for Brogdon. I just don't see the point in trying to get incrementally better in the short term by adding a 30-year-old vet. I'd rather continuing to build around youth, with the hope of trading Beal in the near future.

Also, having Brodgon and Porzingis to team with Beal seems like the worst possible idea for Leonsis-run team. They will get hurt as they always do, and we will miss the playoffs or barely sneak in. And every summer, Ted will proclaim: "if we can stay healthy, we will be a contender".

If we’re committing to Beal I don’t mind this Brogdon trade. The only reason he’d be available for that package is his injury history, and that creates good variance for us. Either we’ll be pretty good and interesting, or he’ll be injured, we’ll suck and it’ll move us towards the reset that’s long overdue. I don’t want to lose Deni in the trade, but I don’t see Rui Kuz or KCP as long term assets.

[barelyawake]

As a final period on the (started years ago and ongoing) leadership doesn’t matter/players are only interchangeable stat-makers argument, I’d like to point to Iggy, Haslem (not that Butler needed help in the leadership dept) and Horford (the guy who stats said was “done” seven or so years ago). The more you know…