Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

[fishercob]

I think I've come up with someone whose game Williams vaguely reminds me of: Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson. Not at all saying they'll have similar career arcs, but I seem to remember Robinson just beasting at Purdue as a senior, spending a lot of time on the low block and offensive boards because of his athleticism. He transitioned to more of a perimeter forward in the pros and made a couple all-star games.

Battier's another guy who was more of a "4" in college and a SF in the pros.

Edit: there are indeed some similarities. Love the production value!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ_sIJnn86Y[/youtube]

[hands11]

#1 is to get players who play with heart and have a motor. Players who appear to be mature and smart.

Personality doesn't quit capture what I'm getting at but it is best word I could come up with. Fire. Drive. Focus. Maturity. Presence Smart. All that is as important or more than raw talent.

Williams would defiantly fit that bill.

I do wonder just for the sake of wondering. How does Irving compare vs Wall. If Cleveland gets Irving, we are going to see those two go head to head for a while. I like Irving's make up and game.

I hope Cleveland get Barnes. Of the top picks, I think he is the one most likely to be soft.

This is going to be a tough draft for the Wizards if they don't get Williams. EG and Ted have their hands full.

Will people be content if we end up with Enes or Jan ?

Sadly, I don't thing Faried will be available for our second pick,

[LyricalRico]

There could be some voodoo in there somewhere. I call it the Kirk Karma Konnection. Or KKK for short.

[Ed Wood]

Will people be content if we end up with Enes or Jan ?

Sadly, I don't thing Faried will be available for our second pick,

Enes right now is the sum of our wildest dreams and our most voluptuousness busts so I can't do much but throw up my hands and hope the scouting department is manning their battle stations when it comes to working out what to do with him.

Vesely I like but I don't think merits the kind of pick he's being tabbed for in mocks. He's athletic and aggressive and I like his shot mix but with a top ten pick I want more than "looks like Andrei Kirilenko".

And I agree about Faried, there are too many teams now who are crunching the numbers and are going to see those rebounding numbers and go "tilt" and honestly it's about as likely that one of the less math teams will try to fit in and throw a late lottery/high teens pick at him a la the Wizards this past year with Booker.

[dobrojim]

as much as I really want DWill, I don't think taking the approach
that it's him or bust is going to necessarily be in our best interests.
There has to be a backup plan.

Faried might be an excellent pick with ATL's pick but I'd also
take a long look at SIngleton. For the 2nd rnd pick we just have
to wait and see who's there. Nolan Smith, Jenkins, Singler or
a host of other possibilities that most of us may not have even
heard of. EG typically does well with his later picks.

[Rafael122]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Sources say Wolves, Cavs, Raptors, Jazz and Kings would all take Kyrie Irving 1. Wizards, Pistons & Bucks - Barnes or Derrick Williams

looks like there is a good chance that williams drops to 3.

i still think kanter would be a good pick at 3 or 4 if williams and kyrie are gone. High risk but higher reward. in short, toughness and post presence is what we need the most and thats what he could bring.

I find it hard to believe that Minnesota would take yet another point guard. There was talk that Ricky Rubio (Pretty Ricky is what they call him) might be coming into the league next year. If we get a top 3 pick and Barnes comes out, we should be OK.

[pancakes3]

well, it depends on how you view the flynn move. was it a "they're dumb enough to do it" precedent? or is it a "fool me once" type deal? i'm leaning towards "they're dumb enough" because they still don't have a pg.

[theboomking]

well, it depends on how you view the flynn move. was it a "they're dumb enough to do it" precedent? or is it a "fool me once" type deal? i'm leaning towards "they're dumb enough" because they still don't have a pg.

It would be a hell of a lot dumber not to take Irving because of two other misses, then it would be to take a possible franchise PG when you need one. It's not like Williams would be an ideal fit on that team either.

I'm getting twitchy waiting for Barnes to make a decision. As weak as this draft is, and as long as he is taking, I lean toward thinking he will declare.

[pancakes3]

well rubio could still pan out. he still has a distinct possibility of making it as a franchise pg. you're right about williams not fitting in with anthony randolph, martell webster, wesley johnson, and michael beasley all locking up the forward spots (not to mention Love at his default position as a PF). like i said earlier, i think they will ultimately go with irving with the top pick for "yet another pg".

even more serendipitous, i think they'll go with kemba if they're at #2 or 3 just because they need a 2-guard so badly.

[hands11]

Will people be content if we end up with Enes or Jan ?

Sadly, I don't thing Faried will be available for our second pick,

Enes right now is the sum of our wildest dreams and our most voluptuousness busts so I can't do much but throw up my hands and hope the scouting department is manning their battle stations when it comes to working out what to do with him.

Vesely I like but I don't think merits the kind of pick he's being tabbed for in mocks. He's athletic and aggressive and I like his shot mix but with a top ten pick I want more than "looks like Andrei Kirilenko".

And I agree about Faried, there are too many teams now who are crunching the numbers and are going to see those rebounding numbers and go "tilt" and honestly it's about as likely that one of the less math teams will try to fit in and throw a late lottery/high teens pick at him a la the Wizards this past year with Booker.

But wasn't AK47 someone many over and over wanted to trade for ?

[Dark Faze]

well rubio could still pan out. he still has a distinct possibility of making it as a franchise pg. you're right about williams not fitting in with anthony randolph, martell webster, wesley johnson, and michael beasley all locking up the forward spots (not to mention Love at his default position as a PF). like i said earlier, i think they will ultimately go with irving with the top pick for "yet another pg".

even more serendipitous, i think they'll go with kemba if they're at #2 or 3 just because they need a 2-guard so badly.

They will go with Irving with the #1.

There has been discussion regarding moving Beasley but people forget that Beasley is on a rookie contract. You're not going to get good value in return for the 4 or so million he makes right now.

It's why I've advocated a trade to get Williams. A lot of teams have glaring holes that need to be fixed and for those teams Williams isn't exactly an answer...they would be taking him purely because he's the best pick available in a weak draft. We have the assets to deal in this situation and should do it.

[hands11]

as much as I really want DWill, I don't think taking the approach
that it's him or bust is going to necessarily be in our best interests.
There has to be a backup plan.

Faried might be an excellent pick with ATL's pick but I'd also
take a long look at SIngleton. For the 2nd rnd pick we just have
to wait and see who's there. Nolan Smith, Jenkins, Singler or
a host of other possibilities that most of us may not have even
heard of. EG typically does well with his later picks.

But I think it is a pipe dream to think Faried will be there at 18.

I would think the Wizards would want to trade up to get Williams if they don't get the top 2 or 3 pick that it would take. If they end up 5th, the decision is, should you get Enes or should they trade the 18th and the 5th for the 2nd or 3rd and what ever pick they get back.

Its all going to come down to how they evaluate Enes and how big is the spread between his skill and William and what how much do the want to pay to get those skills.

[hands11]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Sources say Wolves, Cavs, Raptors, Jazz and Kings would all take Kyrie Irving 1. Wizards, Pistons & Bucks - Barnes or Derrick Williams

looks like there is a good chance that williams drops to 3.

i still think kanter would be a good pick at 3 or 4 if williams and kyrie are gone. High risk but higher reward. in short, toughness and post presence is what we need the most and thats what he could bring.

I find it hard to believe that Minnesota would take yet another point guard. There was talk that Ricky Rubio (Pretty Ricky is what they call him) might be coming into the league next year. If we get a top 3 pick and Barnes comes out, we should be OK.

But what does Barnes really get us ? A jump shooter would be nice but we need more inside presence and slashing. Enes in a center help we need. Strong position player and seems like a tough kid. Barnes reminds me more of a Nick Young. If we lose Nick, he would be a good add. Williams gets you both.

Williams
Enes
Barnes only if we loose Nick and that would be a lateral move. It doesn't make us any better.

I'd be more excited to get Jan, Faried or Kyle than Barnes.

[Ed Wood]

But wasn't AK47 someone many over and over wanted to trade for ?

Oh yes indeed, though less so over time to the point now where I'd be happy to have him on the team, though his impact has diminished over time and he'd probably still cost a great deal to sign so he may not be worth pursuing (though I suppose there's always the small chance that AK would be positively disposed towards Washington because its a relatively metropolitan locale).

The real problem is that Vesely doesn't really play that much like AK, or at least it's hard to tell that he does, if he does. At his best Kirilenko was a little below average as a rebounder for a power forward but was very good at basically every thing else. He scored at a solid rate and did so efficiently, he is a good passer, and his defensive impact was enormous.

Vesely right now is limited as a scorer, not notable as a passer and has excellent defensive tools but isn't considered a standout defender. You can close your eyes and imagine Ves developing into a guy who is a matchup problem on both sides of the ball but unless he isn't showing all he can do right now he has to do a lot of work to get there and you can't be sure he will get there.

[hands11]

as much as I really want DWill, I don't think taking the approach
that it's him or bust is going to necessarily be in our best interests.
There has to be a backup plan.

Faried might be an excellent pick with ATL's pick but I'd also
take a long look at SIngleton. For the 2nd rnd pick we just have
to wait and see who's there. Nolan Smith, Jenkins, Singler or
a host of other possibilities that most of us may not have even
heard of. EG typically does well with his later picks.

But I think it is a pipe dream to think Faried will be there at 18.

I would think the Wizards would want to trade up to get Williams if they don't get the top 2 or 3 pick that it would take. If they end up 5th, the decision is, should you get Enes or should they trade the 18th and the 5th for the 2nd or 3rd and what ever pick they get back.

Its all going to come down to how they evaluate Enes and how big is the spread between his skill and William and how much do the want to pay to get those skills.

[hands11]

Fair enough. But let me add... that does sound like a lot of draft picks.

So what do you make of the Wall vs Irving idea.

If they were both in the same draft. Who would you take with the #1 ?

Secondly, what is all three of Wall, Irving and Williams were in the draft.

[Ed Wood]

Given how many of the upper lottery candidates are bowing out of the draft I'm not sure that a team is going to be interested in trading down even moderately for something like a mid/late round pick. Myself I think I'd refrain anyway because I'm willing to take a shot at one of Kanter, Valanciunas, Barnes or Vesely and it looks like a safe bet that one of the aforementioned will be available for shot taking.

[DMVleGeND]

This draft is GARBAGE! And if Barnes doesn't declare, this will be the worst draft since 2000. DWill is a good player, but I just don't think he can play the 3 like many of you say he can. I don't think he has the handle and won't be very quick at the SF position. Kanter is a question mark and I wonder if somebody with his bulky frame and lack of athleticism can become a big-time player. Many people say Barnes won't be a superstar, and they compare him to Luol Deng, but I actually think that we need a player like Luol Deng on our team. We need more shooters, and Barnes is one of the best shooters in this draft, and look how great Deng has been for the Bulls young roster this season.

Some draft prospects I like are returning, so if we end up with the 1st or 2nd pick, I would either take Barnes or take Irving and see what kind of value we can get for him. If we end up picking 3rd, I would just take Kanter or DWill and call it a day. I we end up picking somewhere like 5th (I would be very angry if we do), I would take Johnny Valentine or Vesely.

[VictorPage44]

I still think Terrence jones is better than Harrison barnes.

[no D in Hibachi]

Ryen Russillo on the 4/13 NBA today podcast talked for a while about the Euro prospects in the draft. He absolutely murdered Johnny Valentine. He basically said that he doesn't even consider him an NBA player. Apparently he's watched tons of film of JV on Synergy sports. It's a good listen. He was rather convincing. I wouldn't take him with the 18th pick.