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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#701 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 9:51 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Bogey is gonna get Jared Dudley $ from someone. I thought he was in his early 30s, but he's only 26.

Question is who do you move, especially if Ted won't pay the luxury tax. Gotta think they'll try and move Mahinmi if they can, but more than likely Gortat's the guy they move.

Gortat is an iron man. Mahinmi is made of glass. If we can only afford one, it has to be Gortat.

I think a more likely scenario is Jason Smith is moved. That should provide enough luxtax room.

How? Also, why...? Smith makes a below average salary, no?

If we assume for a moment that Bojan gets a $10m offer, how do we get to 13-14 players & stay under the tax. Or, if you prefer, assume that Otto gets a max from us, how much can we afford to pay Bojan?

I know you've gone through a similar exercise, but not w/ Bojan getting an 8 figure offer I don't think. Hence, I have trouble seeing how this would work.

The payroll next year for Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Smith, Sato, Oubre and McCullough is $91.9M. Give Jason Smith away to someone and the payroll is $86.7M for 8 players. Add two minimum salary slots at $815K each and we're up to $88.3M. The luxtax threshold should be around $122M. So that leaves a total of $36M to pay Otto and Bogie.

A max salary is $25.7M but I think we can pay Otto a bit less by leveraging our 7.5% raises and 5th year that nobody else can offer. I think something starting around $22M is negotiable. So that leaves as much as $14M for Bogie.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#702 » by bsilver » Mon Mar 6, 2017 9:54 pm

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payitforward wrote:Actually, you just wrote the peanut gallery post.

Bojan is who he is. That's obvious. And now...

Tell me, do you agree with this? The better Bojan plays the better the off-season FA offer he'll receive.
Yes or no?

Now tell me, do you agree with this? The more it costs to keep Bojan a Wizard the less likely it is that he is a Wizard next year.
Yes or no?

Got any value to add to that? At all?

That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.


20m discount for Otto. Bojan with the MLE, dump Jason smith and don't even pay the tax. People just want a reason to complain about Ernie regardless. Bojan is averaging 15 on 59% from 3. Great move

I liked the trade. But think Bojan with the MLE is very, very wishful thinking.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#703 » by leswizards » Mon Mar 6, 2017 9:57 pm

bsilver wrote:There's additional factors:
Mahinmi started playing and has had some real stinkers. His defense is good, but he hasn't successfully been integrated into the offense.
Porter hasn't been shooting well.
Gortat hasn't been playing well.
Oubre has stunk.
We stopped playing Smith who had been really hot.

Is this because of Bog? Maybe it's affected Porter since he's taken some of his time, but maybe Porter's to blame.


I am not blaming Bog's for the fact that the Wizards have not done better since the trade.

Basketball is a team game. Lou Williams would have taken time from our two worst players. Bog's takes time from players who weren't necessarily doing all that bad at the time of the trade.

I think it is ridiculous based upon a five and six game sample to try to insinuate that the Wizards did better by getting Bog's than Lou Williams. I stand by my statement that the Rockets will almost certainly be much more happy that they got Williams than the Wizards will be that they got Bog's
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#704 » by queridiculo » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:19 pm

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I love how you pretend that Wizards traded top 5 pick :lol:

Most of late first rounders are nba nobodies. Go through 2005- 2015 and count how many players are even useful rotation players, let alone some standout stars.

This team can't even find mins for border line lottery pick in Oubre let alone somebody who will probably be long term prospect, or 22-23 years old older rookie with limited potential.


I love how you pretend that draft picks don't matter.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#705 » by queridiculo » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:24 pm

bsilver wrote:That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.


Spend exactly what difference?

If we resign Bogdanovic and let Porter walk cap room doesn't magically appear, there is no difference to spend under your scenario.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#706 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:41 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:23-26 range pick that most of the time gives you bench warmer that ends up in China after third, sometimes even after second season. btw Nicholson was 19# pick, what a value :lol:

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good :lol: hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong


Arguing? Dude is crying like al little **** for a draft pick like Wizards are Nets and they just lost unprotected top 5 pick.

Let's take quick trip to past and see names drafted by Wizards in range of 18-30 pick:
2015: Jerian Grant ,traded, already changed 2 teams, 19#overall pick
2011- Chris Singleton, 18#pick, out of nba after 3 benchwarming seasons
2010- Lazar Heyward, lasted grand total of 72 games in nba
2008- Javale Mcgee, playing for Warriors because they have no cap space to sign anybody
2006- Oleksiy Pecherov, 111 games in nba

In general, sure you can find some useful player in that range, but reality is that most of the time you will end up with somebody that won't pan out, mostly because on contending team he will never really get a true chance to play through rookie mistakes and develop . Most of the time late first rounders are trown in D league where they develop nasty habits of not playing defense and , to put themselfs on the map they do stat padding like crazy on high usage, something that they will never be able to do on main rosters. For example D league MVP Jarnell Stokes couldn't make it to Nuggets roster at PF. MVP of Dlegue from 2 years ago, Frazier"saved " his career with Pelicans, but in reality he is backup PG ( plays around 14 mpg since Holiday is back ).

Even teams who are amazing at drafting like OKC, who found Reggie Jackson and Bledsoe in late first round, sometimes strike out, so last few years they drafted Archie Goodwin,Craig Brackins ,Perry Jones and Mitch McGary. Why? Mostly because talent pool at that point in a draft is really thin and you can only:
a) reach for somebody and hope to bank later on his upside, or
b) take somebody older, who is 22-23 years old and bank on fact that he can help you right away, however there is a chance that you will end up with new Andrew Nicholson if you do that.

So go ahead, i'll even help you, having pick is better than not having pick , but literally all contenders (minus Celtics ,because they are contender with luxury to have top 4 pick because of Billy King ) treat their picks like assets to get themselfs over. Cavs traded all picks that new CBA allowed them to trade, copy past same with Warriors ( non of them owns pick in 2017). That's reality of NBA. Picks are , like players assets that you use and flip to get yourself over,depending where you at and where you try to go. Also, funny how much value unnamed pick has until draft night, and once you actually get name of player that you used your pick to, his value drops .

Why? Because people get too caught up with what can it be, until you see reality of situation and what really is . So having 24# overall pick in 2015 always sounded more exiting than having Tyus Jones didn't it ? Or having 21# pick in 2016 than DeAndre' Bembry. I bet Cetlics fans were so exited about #17 pick in , what was hyped to be best draft since 2003 , in 2014, and they ended up with non other than... James Young. What a prospect boys, new Curry ! 3 years passed by and he is ready to be cut any time soon, if he is lucky enough he will find some roster spot in 2018, maybe.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#707 » by bobbeaver » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:46 pm

payitforward wrote:
bobbeaver wrote:
payitforward wrote:Not the D League, Bob -- the Hall of Fame. Really, he is 100% on FTs. You know anyone like that? He's shooting 50% on threes -- obviously better than Porter, which is great since we can't afford to max them both -- so max Bogdanovic, the better player. Those numbers from his previous 5880 minutes are fake news, Bob -- isn't it obvious?

Well pretty much thats true lol fake news :) You finally hit the nail on the head there pay :D remeber Wiz are a good team Nets baaaaddd team. Players play better (if good) on an good team. Makes sense no? like GSW ball movement make s easy shots and efficiency goes up, ask KD lol. That much so for Bogie. Well thing is you agree on all my points since you didnt actually say anything to contradict them lol. So glad we agree :D

Well I certainly agree w/ the bolded words: you are right that "players play better (if good) on good team... no." That is, no they don't. Better players make a better team -- ever choose up sides on the playground? Choose the best players you can, do you? Course you do!

What better example than kevin durant? When he left the Thunder, the team got worse. Why? One of their best players was no longer on the team. Note that team got worse, but Russell Westbrook didn't get worse. Steven Adams didn't get worse. Etc. Does that mean that there can never ever be a marginal effect in context that makes it easier for one or another player to be a little better in that context? No, of course not.

Since Bojan is mostly playing with the bench, I fear "better team" is too general a team. Here's what's happening: Bojan is hitting everything he throws up! It's great. It's awesome. He has won us two games pretty much on his own. You think he's going to continue going 6-7 on three-pointers? If so, then from your mouth to God's ears! May it be true! In which case, we are going to shock the world! We're never going to lose again!

Go Bojan! HoF!!

Your arguments dont make any sense really.
Noone said he was a superstar to carry the team on his own in a hero ball way. He did it in the Nets but any player is much better as a part of a team and not playing hero ball. But Nets certainly are not playing better after he left. Worse in fact. But than again they were a team of 3 nba players and rest D leagers. But he is playing like this and far more freely because of ball distribution and great PG. He gets open looks and he moves really well of the ball to get separation or get free on the 3 point line. Even than he is behind Beal. But same as KD his efficiency and points scored is actually up on the Warriors. Why? because on OKC he played hero ball. On Warriors he plays organized basketball with great ball movement,so he gets into position to get better looks and higher percentage shots. Other (better) teammates make his job easier. Same goes for Bojan. His teammates allow him to get easier higher percentage shots and play to his strengths. And because they do HE makes the whole team better! by default.
And let me add to your last argument, he may not start games, but he does finish them. SO he plays with the bench and the first team. And trust me even wiz bench is better than the Nets, except Brook Lopez perhaps. lol
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#708 » by NatP4 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 11:07 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
maRioGrande wrote:
payitforward wrote:Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good :lol: hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong


Arguing? Dude is crying like al little **** for a draft pick like Wizards are Nets and they just lost unprotected top 5 pick.

Let's take quick trip to past and see names drafted by Wizards in range of 18-30 pick:
2015: Jerian Grant ,traded, already changed 2 teams, 19#overall pick
2011- Chris Singleton, 18#pick, out of nba after 3 benchwarming seasons
2010- Lazar Heyward, lasted grand total of 72 games in nba
2008- Javale Mcgee, playing for Warriors because they have no cap space to sign anybody
2006- Oleksiy Pecherov, 111 games in nba

In general, sure you can find some useful player in that range, but reality is that most of the time you will end up with somebody that won't pan out, mostly because on contending team he will never really get a true chance to play through rookie mistakes and develop . Most of the time late first rounders are trown in D league where they develop nasty habits of not playing defense and , to put themselfs on the map they do stat padding like crazy on high usage, something that they will never be able to do on main rosters. For example D league MVP Jarnell Stokes couldn't make it to Nuggets roster at PF. MVP of Dlegue from 2 years ago, Frazier"saved " his career with Pelicans, but in reality he is backup PG ( plays around 14 mpg since Holiday is back ).

Even teams who are amazing at drafting like OKC, who found Reggie Jackson and Bledsoe in late first round, sometimes strike out, so last few years they drafted Archie Goodwin,Craig Brackins ,Perry Jones and Mitch McGary. Why? Mostly because talent pool at that point in a draft is really thin and you can only:
a) reach for somebody and hope to bank later on his upside, or
b) take somebody older, who is 22-23 years old and bank on fact that he can help you right away, however there is a chance that you will end up with new Andrew Nicholson if you do that.

So go ahead, i'll even help you, having pick is better than not having pick , but literally all contenders (minus Celtics ,because they are contender with luxury to have top 4 pick because of Billy King ) treat their picks like assets to get themselfs over. Cavs traded all picks that new CBA allowed them to trade, copy past same with Warriors ( non of them owns pick in 2017). That's reality of NBA. Picks are , like players assets that you use and flip to get yourself over,depending where you at and where you try to go. Also, funny how much value unnamed pick has until draft night, and once you actually get name of player that you used your pick to, his value drops .

Why? Because people get too caught up with what can it be, until you see reality of situation and what really is . So having 24# overall pick in 2015 always sounded more exiting than having Tyus Jones didn't it ? Or having 21# pick in 2016 than DeAndre' Bembry. I bet Cetlics fans were so exited about #17 pick in , what was hyped to be best draft since 2003 , in 2014, and they ended up with non other than... James Young. What a prospect boys, new Curry ! 3 years passed by and he is ready to be cut any time soon, if he is lucky enough he will find some roster spot in 2018, maybe.


The wizards didn't draft Jerian Grant and OKC didn't draft Archie Goodwin or Eric Bledsoe. I agree with your overall point though.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#709 » by CobraCommander » Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:21 am

NatP4 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
maRioGrande wrote:always the same thing with this guy pepe. he comes, writes few posts, and people who disagree with him put him on ignore list. some of them tried with real arguments but with no success, he was to good :lol: hint: he is Croat so you can use it to prove he's wrong


Arguing? Dude is crying like al little **** for a draft pick like Wizards are Nets and they just lost unprotected top 5 pick.

Let's take quick trip to past and see names drafted by Wizards in range of 18-30 pick:
2015: Jerian Grant ,traded, already changed 2 teams, 19#overall pick
2011- Chris Singleton, 18#pick, out of nba after 3 benchwarming seasons
2010- Lazar Heyward, lasted grand total of 72 games in nba
2008- Javale Mcgee, playing for Warriors because they have no cap space to sign anybody
2006- Oleksiy Pecherov, 111 games in nba

In general, sure you can find some useful player in that range, but reality is that most of the time you will end up with somebody that won't pan out, mostly because on contending team he will never really get a true chance to play through rookie mistakes and develop . Most of the time late first rounders are trown in D league where they develop nasty habits of not playing defense and , to put themselfs on the map they do stat padding like crazy on high usage, something that they will never be able to do on main rosters. For example D league MVP Jarnell Stokes couldn't make it to Nuggets roster at PF. MVP of Dlegue from 2 years ago, Frazier"saved " his career with Pelicans, but in reality he is backup PG ( plays around 14 mpg since Holiday is back ).

Even teams who are amazing at drafting like OKC, who found Reggie Jackson and Bledsoe in late first round, sometimes strike out, so last few years they drafted Archie Goodwin,Craig Brackins ,Perry Jones and Mitch McGary. Why? Mostly because talent pool at that point in a draft is really thin and you can only:
a) reach for somebody and hope to bank later on his upside, or
b) take somebody older, who is 22-23 years old and bank on fact that he can help you right away, however there is a chance that you will end up with new Andrew Nicholson if you do that.

So go ahead, i'll even help you, having pick is better than not having pick , but literally all contenders (minus Celtics ,because they are contender with luxury to have top 4 pick because of Billy King ) treat their picks like assets to get themselfs over. Cavs traded all picks that new CBA allowed them to trade, copy past same with Warriors ( non of them owns pick in 2017). That's reality of NBA. Picks are , like players assets that you use and flip to get yourself over,depending where you at and where you try to go. Also, funny how much value unnamed pick has until draft night, and once you actually get name of player that you used your pick to, his value drops .

Why? Because people get too caught up with what can it be, until you see reality of situation and what really is . So having 24# overall pick in 2015 always sounded more exiting than having Tyus Jones didn't it ? Or having 21# pick in 2016 than DeAndre' Bembry. I bet Cetlics fans were so exited about #17 pick in , what was hyped to be best draft since 2003 , in 2014, and they ended up with non other than... James Young. What a prospect boys, new Curry ! 3 years passed by and he is ready to be cut any time soon, if he is lucky enough he will find some roster spot in 2018, maybe.


The wizards didn't draft Jerian Grant and OKC didn't draft Archie Goodwin or Eric Bledsoe. I agree with your overall point though.



Is it possible that Pepe's point is valid because the Wizards picked poorly and developed the players even worse? And the true hope of the draft is that you will Pick Wisely and Develop the player properly??? A lot of people are arguing to keep Sato and play Kelly the same way people had patience with the Otto Porter Shaqtin a fool days. We gave up on Javell, Blatch, Crawford, Nick Young and others because they were "bad" basketball players even though they have talent...none of those guys should have been drafted where they were if we were going to develop them so poorly (dont shoot me if we didnt draft all of those guys). Either way I think Pepe's long argument has more merit than his short sound bites. But either way... if you agree with Pepe's argument you are essentially saying anything beyond a 10th or 15th pick in the draft is useless and that cant be a real valid arguement when you have Isiah Thomas out there this year and Butler last year and even someone like P.Beverly (or as we call him Frankie Beverly the hardest working man on defense in the league) and the GOAT...>Agent Zero.... all of those names prove Draft Picks Matter. Erine shouldn't be buying what Pepe is selling just because He Drafted Jan Vess... #DraftPicksMatter
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#710 » by AFM » Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:38 am

I will gladly take Bogy D hitting 12 3's in game 7 of the finals, and then hoisting the trophy over his head, over a late R1 pick.

But to each their own.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#711 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:08 am

AFM wrote:I will gladly take Bogy D hitting 12 3's in game 7 of the finals, and then hoisting the trophy over his head, over a late R1 pick.

But to each their own.

See, someone else gets it.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#712 » by AFM » Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:28 am

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AFM wrote:I will gladly take Bogy D hitting 12 3's in game 7 of the finals, and then hoisting the trophy over his head, over a late R1 pick.

But to each their own.

See, someone else gets it.


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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#713 » by FAH1223 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 6:09 am

Illmatic12 wrote:People were projecting Porter to be the pick because of the Georgetown connection with Ted. Many people wanted/hoped for Nerlens Noel.

And at least 50% of this board was bashing the FO for not trading Beal, and then subsequently maxing him. The Gortat and Morris trades were panned as bad moves. The Gortat 5yr extension was panned. I could go on .. bottomline, I don't see how roping stuff in from the post MJ/Arenas era 10-15 years ago has any bearing on the recent moves that have been made in the Wall/Beal/Porter era, and the decisions that will be made moving forward.


The board was correct to bash the FO. Beal had been an average to below average player for much of his first 4 seasons with above average postseason performances. The silver lining was that he's still pretty young and has upside. But it was clearly stupid to bid against yourself when you have all the leverage.

And that's the problem with Ernie, he's a lazy executive. He wastes assets. He overpays.

That's why its not a question of if we're keeping Otto. We are. They made it known they will match any offer but the problem is they will strike first and just give him the max or close to it.

The front office is entirely predictable.

We trade a late 1st for a 28 year old who won't be on the team next year. It's set in stone. Who's taking Smith or Mahinmi off our hands?
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#714 » by DCZards » Tue Mar 7, 2017 6:49 am

FAH1223 wrote:The board was correct to bash the FO. Beal had been an average to below average player for much of his first 4 seasons with above average postseason performances. The silver lining was that he's still pretty young and has upside. But it was clearly stupid to bid against yourself when you have all the leverage.

And that's the problem with Ernie, he's a lazy executive. He wastes assets. He overpays.


The Zards FO, and pretty much anyone who was paying attention, knew that other NBA teams were poised to offer Beal the max, especially last offseason with the crazy money that teams were throwing around. We all also knew that the Zards were certain to match any offer.

The Zards did the absolute right thing by making it clear to Beal that he was their guy and that the team was willing to put its money where its mouth was. There's something to be said for showing a core piece of your franchise's future that you have the utmost confidence in them. The results speak for themselves.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#715 » by payitforward » Tue Mar 7, 2017 11:29 am

nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:Gortat is an iron man. Mahinmi is made of glass. If we can only afford one, it has to be Gortat.

I think a more likely scenario is Jason Smith is moved. That should provide enough luxtax room.

How? Also, why...? Smith makes a below average salary, no?

If we assume for a moment that Bojan gets a $10m offer, how do we get to 13-14 players & stay under the tax. Or, if you prefer, assume that Otto gets a max from us, how much can we afford to pay Bojan?

I know you've gone through a similar exercise, but not w/ Bojan getting an 8 figure offer I don't think. Hence, I have trouble seeing how this would work.

The payroll next year for Wall, Beal, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Smith, Sato, Oubre and McCullough is $91.9M. Give Jason Smith away to someone and the payroll is $86.7M for 8 players. Add two minimum salary slots at $815K each and we're up to $88.3M. The luxtax threshold should be around $122M. So that leaves a total of $36M to pay Otto and Bogie.

A max salary is $25.7M but I think we can pay Otto a bit less by leveraging our 7.5% raises and 5th year that nobody else can offer. I think something starting around $22M is negotiable. So that leaves as much as $14M for Bogie.

That is 12 guys, no? We'll need 14. We have a R2 pick, & keeping McClellan would be advisable, as he's good value at the $1m he'll cost.

I'm not sure your scheme w/ Otto will prevail if someone gives him a max offer. The present value of $ undercuts the value of an extra year to narrow the overall $$ difference.

Still, I see how you have it working. It's at least conceivable.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#716 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:38 pm

leswizards wrote:
bsilver wrote:There's additional factors:
Mahinmi started playing and has had some real stinkers. His defense is good, but he hasn't successfully been integrated into the offense.
Porter hasn't been shooting well.
Gortat hasn't been playing well.
Oubre has stunk.
We stopped playing Smith who had been really hot.

Is this because of Bog? Maybe it's affected Porter since he's taken some of his time, but maybe Porter's to blame.


I am not blaming Bog's for the fact that the Wizards have not done better since the trade.

Basketball is a team game. Lou Williams would have taken time from our two worst players. Bog's takes time from players who weren't necessarily doing all that bad at the time of the trade.

I think it is ridiculous based upon a five and six game sample to try to insinuate that the Wizards did better by getting Bog's than Lou Williams. I stand by my statement that the Rockets will almost certainly be much more happy that they got Williams than the Wizards will be that they got Bog's

Strong 1-10 FG shooting performance from your guy Sweet Lou last night.. :nod:

As a Rocket, Williams is averaging 15ppg on 38% fg. As a Wizard, Bogdanovic is averaging 16ppg on 54% fg.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#717 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 1:45 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:People were projecting Porter to be the pick because of the Georgetown connection with Ted. Many people wanted/hoped for Nerlens Noel.

And at least 50% of this board was bashing the FO for not trading Beal, and then subsequently maxing him. The Gortat and Morris trades were panned as bad moves. The Gortat 5yr extension was panned. I could go on .. bottomline, I don't see how roping stuff in from the post MJ/Arenas era 10-15 years ago has any bearing on the recent moves that have been made in the Wall/Beal/Porter era, and the decisions that will be made moving forward.


The board was correct to bash the FO. Beal had been an average to below average player for much of his first 4 seasons with above average postseason performances. The silver lining was that he's still pretty young and has upside. But it was clearly stupid to bid against yourself when you have all the leverage.

And that's the problem with Ernie, he's a lazy executive. He wastes assets. He overpays.

That's why its not a question of if we're keeping Otto. We are. They made it known they will match any offer but the problem is they will strike first and just give him the max or close to it.

The front office is entirely predictable.

We trade a late 1st for a 28 year old who won't be on the team next year. It's set in stone. Who's taking Smith or Mahinmi off our hands?

Apparently you didn't understand the technicalities of free agency as well as the people being paid to make the decisions.

Beal's market value was going to be the rookie max, regardless. If the FO didn't come to an early agreement with Beal, allowing him to go on the open market and sign a 4yr max offer, Washington would have been locked into matching whatever offer sheet he signed. So instead of having a top 5 SG locked up for a full 5 years, if they followed your idea we could possibly be losing Beal in 3 seasons after he signs a 3+1 contract..

And your take on Beal was proven to be completely and categorically wrong. He was always one of the more talented players in his age group, and the team (who is around him every day) knew how hard he worked and knew that he'd be worth making an investment on.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#718 » by bsilver » Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:05 pm

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bsilver wrote:That doesn't necessarily mean we don't sign Bog. If we give Porter his max (22M) contract we can't sign another good player like Bog. I can't see where Porter is worth that. Maybe a 12M Bog vs a 22M Porter is the way to go, and spend the difference elsewhere.

Not that I don't like Porter, or think Bog doesn't have deficiencies. Our best direction doesn't seem clear at this point.


Spend exactly what difference?

If we resign Bogdanovic and let Porter walk cap room doesn't magically appear, there is no difference to spend under your scenario.

You're right. Paying Bog 12M brings us to around the cap without room to sign a significant new player. Looks like Nate's scenario of trying keep Porter and Bogs, and stay just under the luxury tax is best idea. If the current team does well in the playoffs, Leonsis should be willing to pay even some luxury tax. Porter hasn't shown he's a max player, but paying him anyway seems the best strategy to have maximum talent on the team.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#719 » by Physhi » Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:33 pm

Windows to win championships are often shorter than what most fans think. With LeBron in the East that window is even smaller, look no further than the Pacers. By most metrics, we have had one of the best starting 5 groups in the league. Our bench was underperforming for the entire year and could not score more than 10 points before the all star break. Getting a guy who can score 16 ppg on 54% shooting for Andrew Nicholson + Marcus Thorton + a first round pick is exactly what this team needed (also needed Brandon Jennings to get the ball moving when John's resting). We were not going to get Lou Will for that without trading Oubre who I think needs more time to develop just as Otto needed more time to develop. With this trade the window to win has started. It will probably last as long as John stays in DC, considering Beal and Otto are very good at a young age. If Bojan can help us get to the ECF where I think we matchup favorably against CLE, then this trade was a success. If we get to the ECF then there is no doubt in my mind Ted pays the lux tax to keep Bog. The late first rounder that we got, considering EG's track record and looking at past drafts, the guy we got probably wouldn't be a contributor until 3 years from now or would be a bench warmer and out of the league.
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Re: Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards 

Post#720 » by leswizards » Tue Mar 7, 2017 5:48 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Strong 1-10 FG shooting performance from your guy Sweet Lou last night.. :nod:

As a Rocket, Williams is averaging 15ppg on 38% fg. As a Wizard, Bogdanovic is averaging 16ppg on 54% fg.


He is not my guy. He is a professional basketball player who has had a far better career than Bogdanovic has had, is having a better season than Bogdanovic, and fits a bigger need for the Wizards than Bogdanovic does.
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