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Post#701 » by Kanyewest » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:36 pm

NatP4 wrote:Yes please on Jay Wright. He’s at the very top of my list for a new coach.


Wright seems like he's happy where he's at Nova. He did take himself out of the running for the 76ers opening last offseason - although to be fair he understand the how angry the Philadelphia sports fan can get so maybe he would consider going somewhere else. I would be interested in Wright because he has a knack for finding guys that seemed to well in the NBA including Lowry, Bridges, Hart, Brunson, Pachall, Divincenzo, and Bey.

Speaking of Villanova, it looks like they have a chance at five star prospect, Trevor Keels from the DMV. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/a-major-shift-away-from-duke-and-kentucky-in-five-star-shooting-guards-recruitment/ar-BB1et0QT

This guy could potentially be in the 2022 or 2023 draft.
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Post#703 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:15 pm

Sure hope covid doesn’t get it the way of what will be a legendary matchup between this Baylor team and Gonzaga.

Another dominant performance by Teague/Butler/Mitchell. On to face Cunningham and Oklahoma state again tomorrow. Should be a good one.
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Post#704 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:25 pm

Hauser and Huff continue to play real well for UVA. I don't know if they'll get drafted, but they will both makie it in the NBA. Gotta give Boeheim's son credit. He's not an NBA prospect, but he absolutely played his heart out for the 2nd straight day.
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Post#705 » by jangles86 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:38 pm

Best case scenario from the top 5 of Suggs, Cunningham, Mobley, Green and Kuminga would be Mobley in my opinion.
Has a great inside outside game that would work with both Beal and Westbrook going forward to develop.
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Post#706 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:53 pm

jangles86 wrote:Best case scenario from the top 5 of Suggs, Cunningham, Mobley, Green and Kuminga would be Mobley in my opinion.
Has a great inside outside game that would work with both Beal and Westbrook going forward to develop.

I think he'll go 3rd or 4th, and we actually have a decent chance to get a top 4 pick. The lotto rules could really help us this year. Fwiw, I think it's a 4 man top tier - Kuminga's fallen out of the top tier.
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Post#707 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:34 am

Anyone talked about Ayo Dusunmu yet? Love his profile. One of those cases where a player gets better every year in pretty much every stat, growing more efficient even with increased usage. Steady as a metronome, plays as well as ever or better against his biggest competition. Seeing that his FT improves every year you know he is a grinder. The knock on him in prior years was his lack of a long ball, he came back this year hitting .400 from 3.

A gamer. Plays mistake free, not flashy, but values every possession. He's ranked in the 2nd round and would be an absolute steal there. He will produce early, while higher rated talents are still learning the game. He's the exact sort of combo guard that can play next to Brad, and still carry the team without a hiccup when Brad sits. Not the quickest cat on the floor, but has a shiftiness reminiscent of Harden. He looks the type to add new tricks every year. His passing reminds me of old man Andre Miller, hesitation and misdirection and making the pass before the defense can see it developing. He is gonna look awesome next to NBA finishers, especially if he has a lob threat on his team.

Active on defense, somehow looks faster on D than offense where he looks unhurried. On D he plays longer than he looks, and fights hard through screens, he's going to irritate some offensive players.


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Post#708 » by DCZards » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:51 am

I wrote this about Ayo in early February.
I've been following Ayo Dosunmu since I saw him light G'Town up as a freshman. Great size, good D, gets to the rim, extremely clutch. I mentioned him as a possible second round target in the 2020 draft but he withdrew from the draft after announcing he was coming out.

The knock on Ayo has been his 3pt shooting so it's good to see it's gotten a lot better. He's looking like a possible lottery pick now.
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Post#709 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:59 am

DCZards wrote:I wrote this about Ayo in early February.
I've been following Ayo Dosunmu since I saw him light G'Town up as a freshman. Great size, good D, gets to the rim, extremely clutch. I mentioned him as a possible second round target in the 2020 draft but he withdrew from the draft after announcing he was coming out.

The knock on Ayo has been his 3pt shooting so it's good to see it's gotten a lot better. He's looking like a possible lottery pick now.


The other knock was that he wasn't much of a rebounder. He killed that misperception as well. He is getting bigger and stronger during the season it looks like. One of those quietly strong athletes who can add muscle even if they are not quick-twitch marvels. But somehow it looks like he has added more bounce even. Bodes well for how he will develop with big league trainers. Get him with Brad's guy Drew Hanlen. And he has the part that is impossible to train: he plays so damn smart.
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Post#710 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:11 am

His teammate Kofi Cockburn is fun to watch at the college level. I bet he too has upside that he hasn't tapped. He's a physical marvel.



Could be he has an injury or a conditioning issue, looks like his minutes have tailed off late in the season, so some of his numbers have dropped after monster numbers early against really tough match-ups.
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Post#711 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:17 am

doclinkin wrote:Anyone talked about Ayo Dusunmu yet? Love his profile. One of those cases where a player gets better every year in pretty much every stat, growing more efficient even with increased usage. Steady as a metronome, plays as well as ever or better against his biggest competition. Seeing that his FT improves every year you know he is a grinder. The knock on him in prior years was his lack of a long ball, he came back this year hitting .400 from 3.

A gamer. Plays mistake free, not flashy, but values every possession. He's ranked in the 2nd round and would be an absolute steal there. He will produce early, while higher rated talents are still learning the game. He's the exact sort of combo guard that can play next to Brad, and still carry the team without a hiccup when Brad sits. Not the quickest cat on the floor, but has a shiftiness reminiscent of Harden. He looks the type to add new tricks every year. His passing reminds me of old man Andre Miller, hesitation and misdirection and making the pass before the defense can see it developing. He is gonna look awesome next to NBA finishers, especially if he has a lob threat on his team.

Active on defense, somehow looks faster on D than offense where he looks unhurried. On D he plays longer than he looks, and fights hard through screens, he's going to irritate some offensive players.

I like everything except the FT shooting form. It's horrible.
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Post#712 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:19 am

doclinkin wrote:His teammate Kofi Cockburn is fun to watch at the college level. I bet he too has upside that he hasn't tapped. He's a physical marvel.

Could be he has an injury or a conditioning issue, looks like his minutes have tailed off late in the season, so some of his numbers have dropped after monster numbers early against really tough match-ups.

He grew up in the wrong era. He'd be perfect for a team in 2000 looking for an extra big body to bang against Shaq. But he's not mobile enough play in today's game unless he totally remakes his body.
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Post#713 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:29 am

nate33 wrote:I like everything except the FT shooting form. It's horrible.


Right. But somehow he is hitting near 80% with it. Shows mental toughness to remain consistent enough to hit despite awkward form with too much movement. Imagine if he gets a trainer who can improve on that.
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Post#714 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:32 am

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doclinkin wrote:His teammate Kofi Cockburn is fun to watch at the college level. I bet he too has upside that he hasn't tapped. He's a physical marvel.

Could be he has an injury or a conditioning issue, looks like his minutes have tailed off late in the season, so some of his numbers have dropped after monster numbers early against really tough match-ups.

He grew up in the wrong era. He'd be perfect for a team in 2000 looking for an extra big body to bang against Shaq. But he's not mobile enough play in today's game unless he totally remakes his body.


That was my feeling. He has the athleticism, shows footwork to move, hits an occasional jumper out to the elbow. He's got a little unhelpful bulk on him where if he melted it off he could pick up speed. His frame will take good muscle.

But yeah he's not very long in wingspan and reach, and nobody in the NBA has the patience to develop Bigs anymore. So, he probably has a pretty short window to develop.
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Post#715 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:17 am

doclinkin wrote:Anyone talked about Ayo Dusunmu yet? Love his profile. One of those cases where a player gets better every year in pretty much every stat, growing more efficient even with increased usage. Steady as a metronome, plays as well as ever or better against his biggest competition. Seeing that his FT improves every year you know he is a grinder. The knock on him in prior years was his lack of a long ball, he came back this year hitting .400 from 3.

A gamer. Plays mistake free, not flashy, but values every possession. He's ranked in the 2nd round and would be an absolute steal there. He will produce early, while higher rated talents are still learning the game. He's the exact sort of combo guard that can play next to Brad, and still carry the team without a hiccup when Brad sits. Not the quickest cat on the floor, but has a shiftiness reminiscent of Harden. He looks the type to add new tricks every year. His passing reminds me of old man Andre Miller, hesitation and misdirection and making the pass before the defense can see it developing. He is gonna look awesome next to NBA finishers, especially if he has a lob threat on his team.

Active on defense, somehow looks faster on D than offense where he looks unhurried. On D he plays longer than he looks, and fights hard through screens, he's going to irritate some offensive players.




Yes, talked about him a while back. He's a solid player. He's not going to be as good as Haliburton but he's going to be a 10-year pro.
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Post#716 » by NatP4 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:18 am

Love Dosunmu. Perfect fit for the modern NBA. Blazing fast with the ball in his hands. Great finisher around the rim. Plus on defense. Fills the stat sheet and makes winning plays. Some players have the crafty ability to get by people off the dribble without using explosiveness, Dosunmu has that. Moves kinda like a SGA.

You can easily see him being a quality combo guard running a NBA 2nd unit. Such a deep guard class when you can get Ayayi or Dosunmu in round 2.
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Post#717 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:44 am

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Yes, talked about him a while back. He's a solid player. He's not going to be a good a Haliburton but he's going to be a 10-year pro.


Better defender though. Better rebounder. He's a glue guy who can score and pass. He won't have the flash and highlights of some in this draft class, but he is going to earn minutes with his defense and passing while he adds to his game every year.
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Post#718 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:39 am

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Yes, talked about him a while back. He's a solid player. He's not going to be a good a Haliburton but he's going to be a 10-year pro.


Better defender though. Better rebounder. He's a glue guy who can score and pass. He won't have the flash and highlights of some in this draft class, but he is going to earn minutes with his defense and passing while he adds to his game every year.


The two NBA players I think compare physically to Dosunmu are Delon Wright and Spencer Dinwiddie.

NatP4 mentioned another that I hadn’t thought of but do agree as similar: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
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Yes, talked about him a while back. He's a solid player. He's not going to be a good a Haliburton but he's going to be a 10-year pro.


Better defender though. Better rebounder. He's a glue guy who can score and pass. He won't have the flash and highlights of some in this draft class, but he is going to earn minutes with his defense and passing while he adds to his game every year.


The two NBA players I think compare physically to Dosunmu are Delon Wright and Spencer Dinwiddie.

NatP4 mentioned another that I hadn’t thought of but do agree as similar: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

I can see that, though he's more of a physically powerful guard with a little less finesse. Last year, it looked like he had a lot of problems with his jump shot, but this season, he's making 40% of his 3's, so it's hard to tell if that's going to translate to the NBA. But gotta like how he's worked on his weaknesses and improved.
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Post#720 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:40 pm

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Better defender though. Better rebounder. He's a glue guy who can score and pass. He won't have the flash and highlights of some in this draft class, but he is going to earn minutes with his defense and passing while he adds to his game every year.


The two NBA players I think compare physically to Dosunmu are Delon Wright and Spencer Dinwiddie.

NatP4 mentioned another that I hadn’t thought of but do agree as similar: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

I can see that, though he's more of a physically powerful guard with a little less finesse. Last year, it looked like he had a lot of problems with his jump shot, but this season, he's making 40% of his 3's, so it's hard to tell if that's going to translate to the NBA. But gotta like how he's worked on his weaknesses and improved.


That's the part I like best about his stat progression. He used the draft process the right way. He entered, met with teams, found out what they thought his weaknesses were, then over one summer fixed those issues. HIs shot looks janky, in part because he is self taught. His dad is a coach but if you look at the videos of where he was working out in the summer its a tiny concrete patch with a single hoop and not enough room to practice a corner three. But he has been working on the NBA three, and if you watch it looks like he is consciously stopping further back from the college line. A couple times I have seen him back up to the NBA three distance, in game.

Work ethic and focus are two things that are hard to teach. I don't know what this kid's top end is, but I get the sense he has a higher chance to reach it than some who start with better measureables.

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