Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Dark Faze]

Would love to steal Sam Hauser from the Celtics. He's on a two way over there. He was one of the best shooters coming out of last draft and he's done nothing but deliver with a large sample size in the G League:

17ppg 5rpg, 2apg, 1.3 tov, .8 spg

On these splits: 48.7/43.3/91.7

10 games played.

[payitforward]

Of course you would.... But, it's not gonna happen.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Someone on the overall trade board suggested trading Kuzma to ORL for RJ Hampton+Ross. They wanted us to add Kispert to balance the trade. If I am honest, this trade would intrigue me. I think RJ has potential as an athletic combo guard with size, who can shoot the 3, get to the rim and dish the ball.

If they insist on Kispert, I would push to get a second rounder out of them, e.g. IND 2022 2nd or (even better) their own!

100% pass. Kuzma can get a future first in any trade. Id rather have that then Hampton (already in year 2). Ross is just filler.

I don’t think the rest of the league values Kuzma like half this board+WUJ does. He’s absolute garbage. Boat anchor on/off numbers, the fluke rebounding numbers are finally gone now also, his TS is a hilariously awful 51% now. His contract is terrible.

His value reminds me of when we signed Andrew Nicholson and had to attach a 1st him.

I wouldn't quite go that Kuzma is Andrew Nicholson bad, but after the tenacious start to the season on the boards as well as playing solid defense and a couple clutch games, he looks completely disinterested out there at best for most stretches of the game.

[NatP4]

I’ve talked myself into moving Beal for whatever top 5 pick we can get. Loving Jaden Ivey, Kendall Brown, and to a lesser extent, Keegan Murray.

Specifically, Ivey is a can’t miss lead guard that does everything well. He’s going to be an instant impact guy.

This franchise is in a pretty good spot if they make the hard decision to move the star player. I’m selling off Harrell and Neto to contending teams and grabbing whatever assets I can. Trusting Ayayi/Winston to be my backup guards next season.

[pcbothwel]

I’ve talked myself into moving Beal for whatever top 5 pick we can get. Loving Jaden Ivey, Kendall Brown, and to a lesser extent, Keegan Murray.

Specifically, Ivey is a can’t miss lead guard that does everything well. He’s going to be an instant impact guy.

This franchise is in a pretty good spot if they make the hard decision to move the star player. I’m selling off Harrell and Neto to contending teams and grabbing whatever assets I can. Trusting Ayayi/Winston to be my backup guards next season.

Another guy who is not getting enough attention is Kennedy Chandler. I love the way he controls the game. He is aggressive, but very controlled and deliberate even when just 10 ft from the basket in the short roll(Reminds of CP3 with this skill). Not very big, but good athlete with long arms and competes.
But the things that push it over the top for me are his activity and competitiveness/leadership. Even as a lead guard, once he gives up the ball he is either pulling his man away from the ball or cutting. I love that as most guards (John Wall) are either 100% on with the ball in their hands, or sorta float away once they dont.
Watch him in his interviews, during timeouts, etc. The dude is a leader. Cool and calm with the press and when he needs to be, but hyper competitive on the court (Another CP3 trait). Also, a ~2.5 AST:TOV ratio as a Freshman PG is absurd

I have Ivey as my PG1(I know he is more Combo) and Chandler 2. Think Darius Garland Plus.
I think he slips because of his size and would be a steal outside the top 10

[payitforward]

Great assessment! But... should be in the draft thread. I'll copy it over....

[Dark Faze]

I’ve talked myself into moving Beal for whatever top 5 pick we can get. Loving Jaden Ivey, Kendall Brown, and to a lesser extent, Keegan Murray.

Specifically, Ivey is a can’t miss lead guard that does everything well. He’s going to be an instant impact guy.

This franchise is in a pretty good spot if they make the hard decision to move the star player. I’m selling off Harrell and Neto to contending teams and grabbing whatever assets I can. Trusting Ayayi/Winston to be my backup guards next season.

I think the only team currently in the bottom 5 or so that would take him is the Pels, and that's a team that with him could easily end up playing up to late lotto status. They would need to give us their whole draft horde, salary filler, Kira Lewis and Trey Murphy...I'd take it at this point given the situation.

Warriors might still be willing to go all in on winning now, but their offer would be significantly decreased. Wiggins + Moody might be about it at this point.

Sixers might give us a pick, Thybulle, and Simmons their desperation.

[pcbothwel]

I’ve talked myself into moving Beal for whatever top 5 pick we can get. Loving Jaden Ivey, Kendall Brown, and to a lesser extent, Keegan Murray.

Specifically, Ivey is a can’t miss lead guard that does everything well. He’s going to be an instant impact guy.

This franchise is in a pretty good spot if they make the hard decision to move the star player. I’m selling off Harrell and Neto to contending teams and grabbing whatever assets I can. Trusting Ayayi/Winston to be my backup guards next season.

I think the only team currently in the bottom 5 or so that would take him is the Pels, and that's a team that with him could easily end up playing up to late lotto status. They would need to give us their whole draft horde, salary filler, Kira Lewis and Trey Murphy...I'd take it at this point given the situation.

Warriors might still be willing to go all in on winning now, but their offer would be significantly decreased. Wiggins + Moody might be about it at this point.

Sixers might give us a pick, Thybulle, and Simmons their desperation.

With any Beal trade, Im worried about best value than fit for us. We can always include a 3rd team to abstract the better assets FOR US.
Thats why I think Philly for Simmons plus picks/rookies makes the most sense. Simmons contract allows more middling teams to get involved without the threat of him walking in the summer.
Stay FAR away from GSW. All their picks would be in the 27-30 range for the next 3-4 years and their young players are not impressive to me.

The only other team I can think of is the Knicks. Fournier + Kemba is the easy salary exchange, and they can trade back to back picks because they have other teams 1st in 23/24.
I.E. Fournier, Kemba, Knox, 1st in 22/24/26, swap in 25 & 27

Remember, we arent just getting compensated for Beal, but for taking on Fournier and his Bertans-Bad contract.

[payitforward]

Well... I don't think we'd be wise to do that trade w/ NY.

[nate33]

Well... I don't think we'd be wise to do that trade w/ NY.

Agreed. New York with Beal is going to win too much for those picks to have much value.

I think the starting point for a trade is Beal for Simmons, with Philly hopefully throwing in an extra 1st round pick or two. I'd then incorporate a 3rd team to get back the best pick package I could get for Simmons. I'm okay with keeping Simmons instead, but I'd prefer to dump most of our win-now talent and tank for more high picks.

If a team like OKC would give us their 2022 unprotected pick for Simmons, plus maybe a couple of their late 1sts acquired in other trades, that would be a good start. Imagine going into the offseason with our pick (6th or 7th), OKC's pick (top 5), and our supply of 2nd round picks over the next few years re-stocked thanks to trades of Harrell and Kuzma. And we'd also be sitting on a couple of future Philly picks, with Embiid's health always in question.

[payitforward]

That's a good model, nate.

Obviously, however, our chances of moving Simmons are no better than Philly's. Meaning that the secondary move you suggest might be hard to make happen. We'd have to get a deal from Philly that we'd be happy with if it didn't.

[J-Ves]

Beal and Bertans for Simmons and a guard would be swell

[9 and 20]

Beal and Bertans for Simmons and a guard would be swell

I'm about done with Beal too. Makes some dumbass anti-vax comments, plays terrible. Starts to play well for a little bit, then, big shocker, gets COVID and is now out again. I can't imagine his play will pick up where he left off - my guess is he will be terrible again for a while while he readjusts/recovers from COVID.

Simmons brings his own headaches and I'm not sure the grass is greener. I'm pretty confident that Beal at 40 or 50 mil a year is not going to end well, however, so I'll take whatever is behind door #2.

[NatP4]

I’m sure this will spark another debate about mid-late 1st round picks, but I would be all for moving Beal to Memphis for those three 1st round picks+Culver/Jones/Anderson/Clarke or whatever filler. Maybe would could snag Tillman.

[badinage]

Beal and Bertans for Simmons and a guard would be swell

I'm about done with Beal too. Makes some dumbass anti-vax comments, plays terrible. Starts to play well for a little bit, then, big shocker, gets COVID and is now out again. I can't imagine his play will pick up where he left off - my guess is he will be terrible again for a while while he readjusts/recovers from COVID.

Simmons brings his own headaches and I'm not sure the grass is greener. I'm pretty confident that Beal at 40 or 50 mil a year is not going to end well, however, so I'll take whatever is behind door #2.

This is where I am too.

I also don’t like this whole — “this is Brad’s team.”

No.

Brad is wonderful. But we can’t be THAT if we want to really win.

[smoothSeph]

I’m sure this will spark another debate about mid-late 1st round picks, but I would be all for moving Beal to Memphis for those three 1st round picks+Adams/Jones/Clarke

Was it Ernie or Tommy that tried to trade for Dillon Brooks a couple years back? Can't imagine we send Beal to MEM without getting him in return.

[NatP4]

I’ll take whatever filler. We can probably send Harrell to a contending team and get another late 1st. That would be five 1st round picks for the 2022 draft. To go a long with a nice young core of Deni, Rui, Kispert, Gafford, Bryant.

There would be plenty of trade up options in a draft that features atleast 6 blue chip franchise level prospects.

[nate33]

That's a good model, nate.

Obviously, however, our chances of moving Simmons are no better than Philly's. Meaning that the secondary move you suggest might be hard to make happen. We'd have to get a deal from Philly that we'd be happy with if it didn't.

Our chances of moving Simmons are better than Philly's because Philly is looking for a very specific return (an All-Star caliber ball-handling guard) whereas we would be much more flexible. We have exactly one player on the roster in Avdija who is anything close to untouchable, and Avdija can play multiple positions. So basically, we'd take talent at literally any position in return for Simmons.

[nate33]

Beal and Bertans for Simmons and a guard would be swell

I'm about done with Beal too. Makes some dumbass anti-vax comments, plays terrible. Starts to play well for a little bit, then, big shocker, gets COVID and is now out again. I can't imagine his play will pick up where he left off - my guess is he will be terrible again for a while while he readjusts/recovers from COVID.

Simmons brings his own headaches and I'm not sure the grass is greener. I'm pretty confident that Beal at 40 or 50 mil a year is not going to end well, however, so I'll take whatever is behind door #2.

There are 90 NBA players out on protocol, 89 of whom are (presumably) vaccinated. But somehow, Beal is to blame for being unvaccinated.

[pcbothwel]

I’ll take whatever filler. We can probably send Harrell to a contending team and get another late 1st. That would be five 1st round picks for the 2022 draft. To go a long with a nice young core of Deni, Rui, Kispert, Gafford, Bryant.

There would be plenty of trade up options in a draft that features atleast 6 blue chip franchise level prospects.

I think I pass on loading up on draft picks in a single year. High level contributors on rookie contracts have immense value and need to be staggered year over year so you arent stuck trying to resign everyone at once. I also like future picks because we'll have ammo for a trade if we prove to be contenders in a few years.
I also dont think Memphis is the team that will give the most value due to their uncertainty about resigning Beal. Ja is a high usage guard and isnt good enough (Curry) to make Beal step back. Seems like a poor fit.

I continue to bang the drum for Philly as the best fit. It obviously depends on the value we can get for Simmons from a 3rd team, but it just seems too obvious. I think the Knicks, Hawks, Grizzlies, and Twolves all pounce on Simmons and I like some of their assets.