John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[tontoz]

He's more than an All-Star, at this point he's one of the 5-6 best guards in the NBA (as All-NBA voting this year will surely attest). I've noticed you're one of the posters who always tries to point out his flaws. Being healthy all season, he has improved tremendously and deserves credit for inching this close to superstar status right at the beginning of his prime.

Always? Exaggerate much? I am not trolling him like Nat does but when he is missing 10+ shots and turning it over I will criticize him for it. When he comes down the court and takes a 2 pt jumper before anyone else touches the ball, that is a bad shot.

Aside from being healthier than in past years, what has he really improved?

He still shoots sub-40% on 2 point jumpers on over 6 attempts per game.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ZSgZy

He is shooting 31% from 3, right in line with his career average.

He is attacking the rim more and getting to the foul line more this year which has improved his efficiency. Other than that he is basically the same player, just healthier with better teammates. Nothing wrong with that. I would rank him 4th among all PGs, but there is a pretty big gap between him and Russ/Paul/Curry.

How is Curry a better player than Wall this year? I just don't see it when I watch the games. Wall has better stats, higher PER, and doesn't get to play on a team littered with all stars. Only thing Curry does better than Wall is shoot and even Curry's shooting has took a step back this year. Wall is light years better than Curry as a passer, floor general, defender, and attacking the basket. Wall is also better than Paul. On the case of Westbrook due to his style of play I find it hard to call Westbrook a pg. Harden and Lebron are more of a pg than Westbrook.

Wall doesn't have a higher PER. Curry's is actually a bit higher.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

Curry also averages over 3.8 pts more per 36 minutes with a TS 7.5% higher.

Curry's RPM is basically twice as high as Wall's.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1

[Illmatic12]

To be fair Wall does have issues with shooting and turnovers. He is still a legit All-Star but it isn't hating on him to acknowledge his flaws.

Glad to see him stepping up going into the playoffs.

He's more than an All-Star, at this point he's one of the 5-6 best guards in the NBA (as All-NBA voting this year will surely attest). I've noticed you're one of the posters who always tries to point out his flaws. Being healthy all season, he has improved tremendously and deserves credit for inching this close to superstar status right at the beginning of his prime.

Always? Exaggerate much? I am not trolling him like Nat does but when he is missing 10+ shots and turning it over I will criticize him for it. When he comes down the court and takes a 2 pt jumper before anyone else touches the ball, that is a bad shot.

Aside from being healthier than in past years, what has he really improved?

He still shoots sub-40% on 2 point jumpers on over 6 attempts per game.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ZSgZy

He is shooting 31% from 3, right in line with his career average.

He is attacking the rim more and getting to the foul line more this year which has improved his efficiency. Other than that he is basically the same player, just healthier with better teammates. Nothing wrong with that. I would rank him 4th among all PGs, but there is a pretty big gap between him and Russ/Paul/Curry.

I disagree with with "pretty big".. there is a gap, but Wall is closing in on them. He's younger than those guys also, and continuing to improve as he hits his prime.

If anything, I see a gap between Wall and the undersized SGs considered to be to PGs, like Irving and Lillard.

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[tontoz]

I disagree with with "pretty big".. there is a gap, but Wall is closing in on them. He's younger than those guys also, and continuing to improve as he hits his prime.

If anything, I see a gap between Wall and the undersized SGs considered to be to PGs, like Irving and Lillard.

Agreed. Neither are playmakers and both are lousy defenders. Wall is easily better than both at this point.

Unfortunately I am not sure the media would agree regarding Irving.

[Illmatic12]

I disagree with with "pretty big".. there is a gap, but Wall is closing in on them. He's younger than those guys also, and continuing to improve as he hits his prime.

If anything, I see a gap between Wall and the undersized SGs considered to be to PGs, like Irving and Lillard.

Agreed. Neither are playmakers and both are lousy defenders. Wall is easily better than both at this point.

Unfortunately I am not sure the media would agree regarding Irving.

Cleveland has been a disappointment this season, I don't think Irving should be rewarded for anything. The fact that Lebron had to publicly cry out for a playmaker should say something.

And along the same lines, Lebron's own MVP case has to take a hit with their inconsistent play and him sitting out big games.

[tontoz]

Cleveland has been a disappointment this season, I don't think Irving should be rewarded for anything. The fact that Lebron had to publicly cry out for a playmaker should say something.

And along the same lines, Lebron's own MVP case has to take a hit with their inconsistent play and him sitting out big games.

True but this is the media we are talking about.

I would put Beal over Irving as well but Irving started the All-Star game.

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[DCsOwn]

http://deadspin.com/john-walls-season-deserves-better-than-historys-dustbin-1793808703

[AFM]

Great article

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[Wiltside]

John Wall is a beast. How does he compare to the other elite PG's in the league? Check out our analysis: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/03/16/john-wall-is-coming/

[Meliorus]

Man, Ernie owes at least 20% of his salary to Wall. He's been one of the best point guards in NBA history through his first 7 seasons, but consistently gets surrounded by a core that's a whole lot worse than it looks on the surface. It's the same thing that happened to Chris Paul in New Orleans, except there's an increasingly lower chance that Wall ever leaves. Call me when we get an All-Defense rim protector/lob-catcher, All-Star power forward, and one of the best shooters in the league. We have 1 of those 3 things.

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[DCZards]

Man, Ernie owes at least 20% of his salary to Wall. He's been one of the best point guards in NBA history through his first 7 seasons, but consistently gets surrounded by a core that's a whole lot worse than it looks on the surface. It's the same thing that happened to Chris Paul in New Orleans, except there's an increasingly lower chance that Wall ever leaves. Call me when we get an All-Defense rim protector/lob-catcher, All-Star power forward, and one of the best shooters in the league. We have 1 of those 3 things.

The Zards already have an all-star PG and a SG who is playing like an all-star. Now you're asking for an all-star PF and an all-defense rim protector. So you're saying that the Zards need to have essentially 4 all-stars before you get fully behind them. Isn't that setting the bar a little high? How many NBA teams have what you're asking for?

[europeanfan]

Pretty incredible endorsement from Jennings in the Players tribune :
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/brandon-jennings-john-wall-wizards/

[dlts20]

Wow that was a great read and that last line got me so hype because that's how I feel. He's going to be dominant in these playoffs

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[benb331]

It's time. Time for John to elevate his game and not shut everyone up - but get EVERYONE talking, talking "Holy ****, did you see what John Wall did in the playoffs?" Time for the whole league to get tired of hearing John Wall's name. This is the year it finally happens. When you don't have to 'sneak' his name into those top 10, top 5, or even MVP discussions. Time for John to become a Superstar, to be Elite, to establish firm footing in the Top Tier. To be comfortable among the names Lebron James, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry. To have more than a few fans argue that he's legit the best of them all. Time for John to be #1. Time to earn a shoe deal, to win big in the playoffs and to absolutely dominate the games on both ends of the court. I'm ready. John's due. Let's goooo!!!!

[tontoz]

Wall made Zach Lowe's 3rd team All-NBA. No Beal though. Beal wasn't even in his top 3 for MIP.

He has Kawhi as the MVP.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19140550/zach-lowe-picks-nba-mvp-defensive-player-year-rookie-year-more-awards