Political Roundtable Part XX

[nate33]

* The stolen DNC emails were released on July 22nd.

* This event allegedly triggered the Australians to contact U.S. intelligence officials and inform them of the infamous drunken conversation between Papadopoulos and Australian diplomat Alexander Downer in a London bar.

* This revelation allegedly triggered the FBI to begin a counter-intelligence investigation of the Trump campaign and Russian meddling, which commenced on July 31st.

* There's only one problem: FBI informant/spy Stefan Halper approached Carter Page on July 11th.

* The Deep State is lying. The surveillance program of Trump officials began BEFORE the leak of the emails. How did the FBI know at that time that they should begin spying on Carter Page? Probably because they were performing illegal queries of the NSA database since April to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign.

Bigger than Watergate.

[stilldropin20]

* The stolen DNC emails were released on July 22nd.

* This event allegedly triggered the Australians to contact U.S. intelligence officials and inform them of the infamous drunken conversation between Papadopoulos and Australian diplomat Alexander Downer in a London bar.

* This revelation allegedly triggered the FBI to begin a counter-intelligence investigation of the Trump campaign and Russian meddling, which commenced on July 31st.

* There's only one problem: FBI informant/spy Stefan Halper approached Carter Page on July 11th.

* The Deep State is lying. The surveillance program of Trump officials began BEFORE the leak of the emails. How did the FBI know at that time that they should begin spying on Carter Page? Probably because they were performing illegal queries of the NSA database since April to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign.

Bigger than Watergate.

And Nate n I have been outlying the entire story for over a year.

We have been right.

Maybe. Maybe. Just maybe ours sources are better than yours?


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[gtn130]

I feel like perhaps a lot of this would be moot if the Trump campaign didn't do a bunch of illegal stuff

[gtn130]

How did the FBI know at that time that they should begin spying on Carter Page? Probably because they were performing illegal queries of the NSA database since April to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign.

How did you reach this conclusion?

Also, I'm pretty sure the FBI can legally spy on people without having to show any evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Isn't that why FISA warrants exist in the first place?

[gtn130]

Here is what Carter Page wrote in 2013:

Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/

Why would the FBI not be suspicious of him???

[nate33]

How did the FBI know at that time that they should begin spying on Carter Page? Probably because they were performing illegal queries of the NSA database since April to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign.

How did you reach this conclusion?

Also, I'm pretty sure the FBI can legally spy on people without having to show any evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Isn't that why FISA warrants exist in the first place?

You better have a damn good reason to spy on a U.S. citizen of the opposite political campaign. There was no official reason at this time since the meeting with Downer wasn't yet known.

This proves that they were lying when they said Downer triggered the investigation. The investigation was triggered either via the unverified Steele Dossier, or by unjustified spying on a U.S. citizen.

[nate33]

Here is what Carter Page wrote in 2013:

Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/

Why would the FBI not be suspicious of him???

Carter Page worked with the freaking FBI to help inform them about Russian spies. If he was such a bad guy, why did the FBI trust him then?

[stilldropin20]

Washington times wrote:

After two years of every sentence of Trump’s rhetoric being shot through the lens of “Hitler” or “1930’s style fascist” or “Banana Republic dictator” it’s fair to ask where is the universal condemnation of the Obama/Lynch/Brennan/Clapper/Comey cabal’s Stalinesque escapade on behalf of their chosen candidate, Hillary Clinton?

In short, and with apologies to Bob Dole: Where’s the outrage?How has the brain-trust that powers the endless, navel-gazing round table discussions on Morning Joe, Hardball and every single program on CNN (shouldn’t some of their shows dabble in a varied format?) not found a way to muster the slightest inquisitive segment on what is clearly a historic story comparable to Watergate, Iran/Contra-gate or any other “hyphen gate” they’ve thrown at us n the past several decades?

The collective yawn from the same news outlets who ran around with their figurative hair on fire for days over a Saturday Night Live sketch featuring a porn star remarkable and, at the same time, utterly predictable.

Frankly, the absence of coverage of the Times’ game-changing expose reveals the political bias in America’s electronic newsrooms more than the “Trump called all immigrants ‘animals’” lie they pushed on us this week. What television news chooses to ignore is the best evidence of their bias than the fake news they choose to broadcast.

Let’s just reflect for a moment (with the help of Mollie Hemingway at The Federalist) on the damning revelations in this 4,000-plus article which paint a picture of an Obama White House meddling in a presidential election at a level that would make Vladimir Putin green with envy:

“The story says the FBI was worried that if it came out they were spying on Trump campaign it would “only reinforce his claims that the election was being rigged against him.” It is easy to understand how learning that the FBI was spying on one’s presidential campaign might reinforce claims of election-rigging.”
“Now we learn that it wasn’t just Page, but that the government was going after four campaign affiliates including the former campaign manager, the top foreign policy advisor, and a low-level advisor whose drunken claim supposedly launched the investigation into the campaign. The bureau says Trump’s top foreign policy advisor and future national security advisor — a published critic of Russia — was surveiled because he spoke at an event in Russia sponsored by Russia Today, a government-sponsored media outlet.”
“The surveillance didn’t just include wiretaps, but also national security letters and at least one government informant to spy on the campaign”
After going through these details with National Review’s Andrew McCarthy, a former Assistant US Attorney in the Southern District of New York, I asked him the question that seems to be ignored in the New York Times’ article: Is there any way this kind of counter-intelligence operation would go on without the White House knowing of it or approving it?

No! No. no. Everybody knew about it. The agents’ texts made that clear. The Susan Rice, the memo she wrote, the “CYA” memo she wrote going out the door makes that clear. The White House had to know about this from the start. And look, Larry, it’s the kind of thing… An important thing about counterintelligence… there’s nothing wrong with the president knowing about it. Because, unlike criminal investigations and prosecutions where we don’t want the political people interfering in the four corners of the case, counterintelligence is done for the president. the purpose of it is to gather intelligence, to gather information to enable the president to carry out his most important constitutional responsibility which is protecting the country from foreign threats to national security.

Indeed. What did President Obama know and when did he know it?

Why wouldn’t the New York Times ask that of their plugged-in, exclusive, anonymous sources? It seems like the most important question in this entire episode, wouldn’t you think? Since Sen. Howard Baker uttered the question in the height of the Watergate hearings in the early 1970s we’ve been told that this was the most fundamental question when breaking down a presidential scandal. Yet the word “Obama” only appers once in the Times article and is only used to reference the president for appointing Sally Yates as Deputy Attorney General.

Not only did the Times neglect to pursue this inquiry, America’s 24-hour, non-stop cable news analysis programming has been relatively bereft of such discussions as well. We’ve talked to death the subject of Trump’s knowledge of (or lack of) paying his attorney for an alleged bimbo eruption, but no one seems the slightest bit curious over when President Obama knew that his FBI was spying on his chosen successor’s political opponent just weeks before the 2016 election.

The bottom line remains: President Obama spied on the Trump campaign using wire taps, moles and spies, and James Comey’s FBI hid the fact from congress for nearly a year.

Where’s the outrage?

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schumer and schiff want to protect the lives of the informant!
But they didn't care at all if they ruined the lives of Flynn, Flynn's son, carter page, Caputo, Gina Haspel, Admiral up for VA job, The entire trump family and trump himself who happens to be out duly elected president.

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[gtn130]

Here is what Carter Page wrote in 2013:

Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/

Why would the FBI not be suspicious of him???

Carter Page worked with the freaking FBI to help inform them about Russian spies. If he was such a bad guy, why did the FBI trust him then?

'Trusting' Carter Page is an odd way of framing it, and a low bar to clear. Trusting him to relay information isn't the same thing as trusting him to be the liaison for the Trump admin's shady foreign policy.

More importantly, I don't see much logical consistency in arguments like these. The FBI is a corrupted fake news deep state Clinton liberal operation when you want it to be, but if they ever say or do something that fits your narrative then they're totally legit.

It's the same tactic you see here:

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"The NYT is totally fake news. All made up. Very bad (and Sad!). Don't believe a word! All that being said, the conclusions they draw here are worth noting and I'd like everyone to take them seriously and believe them."

Additionally, if you want to give credence to resources the FBI trusts then you should take a look at this guy Christopher Steele. Seems highly respected and credible, and he has a lot of interesting notes on our President.

[stilldropin20]

so which of you are going down on this obamagate ship? Who's going to fight the well established truth to their last breath?

I got GTN, and Zonker for sure. I think DCkings, monte, and possibly a few more jump off and save themselves the embarrassment.

we'll see!! stay tuned!

[dckingsfan]

Fact check: mostly false

Come on SD - bring your A game (wagging finger like Dikembe Mutombo), don't get this weak sh*t swatted out of here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/13/lara-trumps-claim-that-trump-has-appointed-more-women-than-any-other-president/?utm_term=.b1c96ddac5f3

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[dckingsfan]

Fact check: DCKingsFan wants both the Trump/Russia and Obama administration inquiries to keep going until done. No shortcuts in either case. There is so much misinformation out there that no one save Robert Mueller who probably has a good handle on what really happened. We need to be patient and let it play out. If that takes another year or three - fine.

All these calls to wrap-up the inquires are premature (IMO).

Are remember SD, I wasn't a huge fan of the Obama administration - why? I thought the priorities of that administration were off-track.

This administration is also off-track and has accomplished little meaningful to help us with growth of the economy or sustainability. Or another way to put it... they just aren't doing a very good job.

So, like the Ds - time for them to get replaced to see if someone can actually govern.

so which of you are going down on this obamagate ship? Who's going to fight the well established truth to their last breath?

I got GTN, and Zonker for sure. I think DCkings, monte, and possibly a few more jump off and save themselves the embarrassment.

we'll see!! stay tuned!

[montestewart]

so which of you are going down on this obamagate ship? Who's going to fight the well established truth to their last breath?

I got GTN, and Zonker for sure. I think DCkings, monte, and possibly a few more jump off and save themselves the embarrassment.

we'll see!! stay tuned!

Come on, STD, you couldn't win a debate with a blind, dying pigeon. Quit pulling legs and go back to pulling teeth

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