Offseason Plan

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[nate33]

The draft is over and the Wizards still need a point guard. I see several options:

1. Sign Tyus Jones. We can offer the MLE and a starting job. Can Memphis convince him to stay?

2. Trade Kuzma and filler for Lonzo Ball. This is currently my favorite trade scenario. Chicago has Ball, Caruso, Coby White, Ayo Dosunmu and Dalen Terry in their backcourt. And Derozan already does a lot of ball handling. Do they really want Ball at $20M a year when they have to pay Lavine near max money this summer? Wouldn't they prefer more frontcourt depth in Kuzma at a much lower salary? (The filler would just be a small contract, probably Todd.) The main drawback is Ball's salary. But that's only a drawback because the team is foolishly willing to make Beal the 7th highest paid player in the NBA.

3. Trade Rui + KCP for Brodgon. I think this is the price that both sides might agree too. I'm not in love with adding a 30-year old, and I also question whether Ted will part with Rui. But the trade would definitely improve the team in the short term.

4. Sign a lower tier free agent. If Jones is unavailable, the next tier of guys include Rubio, Delon Wright and Eric Bledsoe.

[Frichuela]

The draft is over and the Wizards still need a point guard. I see several options:

1. Sign Tyus Jones. We can offer the MLE and a starting job. Can Memphis convince him to stay?

2. Trade Kuzma and filler for Lonzo Ball. This is currently my favorite trade scenario. Chicago has Ball, Caruso, Coby White, Ayo Dosunmu and Dalen Terry in their backcourt. And Derozan already does a lot of ball handling. Do they really want Ball at $20M a year when they have to pay Lavine near max money this summer? Wouldn't they prefer more frontcourt depth in Kuzma at a much lower salary? (The filler would just be a small contract, probably Todd.) The main drawback is Ball's salary. But that's only a drawback because the team is foolishly willing to make Beal the 7th highest paid player in the NBA.

3. Trade Rui + KCP for Brodgon. I think this is the price that both sides might agree too. I'm not in love with adding a 30-year old, and I also question whether Ted will part with Rui. But the trade would definitely improve the team in the short term.

4. Sign a lower tier free agent. If Jones is unavailable, the next tier of guys include Rubio, Delon Wright and Eric Bledsoe.

I would also prefer option 2 than option 3: i.e. a Lonzo Ball trade. However, he is also injury prone. In his 5 NBA seasons, Lonzo has played 52, 47, 63, 55 and 35 games...He is in fact recovering from knee issues, which look concerning:

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So, it looks like unless Tyus Jones agrees to come over (for either the MLE or some type of sign and trade), Tommy is stuck between a rock and a hard place in his PG search...

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The draft is over and the Wizards still need a point guard. I see several options:

1. Sign Tyus Jones. We can offer the MLE and a starting job. Can Memphis convince him to stay?

2. Trade Kuzma and filler for Lonzo Ball. This is currently my favorite trade scenario. Chicago has Ball, Caruso, Coby White, Ayo Dosunmu and Dalen Terry in their backcourt. And Derozan already does a lot of ball handling. Do they really want Ball at $20M a year when they have to pay Lavine near max money this summer? Wouldn't they prefer more frontcourt depth in Kuzma at a much lower salary? (The filler would just be a small contract, probably Todd.) The main drawback is Ball's salary. But that's only a drawback because the team is foolishly willing to make Beal the 7th highest paid player in the NBA.

3. Trade Rui + KCP for Brodgon. I think this is the price that both sides might agree too. I'm not in love with adding a 30-year old, and I also question whether Ted will part with Rui. But the trade would definitely improve the team in the short term.

4. Sign a lower tier free agent. If Jones is unavailable, the next tier of guys include Rubio, Delon Wright and Eric Bledsoe.

I would do Rui and KCP for Brogdan any day of the week. Get rid of our log jam of wings and add a really good veteran point guard. Only question with Malcolm is his health. But even if he doesn’t play a single game, we’d have created more pT for Deni, Gaff - as a 5 next to Zinger as a stretch 5, Davis and Krispy.

[Tyrone Messby]

We'll sign Gary Payton II as our starting Point Guard for the MLE.

[Rafael122]

I think Memphis is prepping for the idea that Jones and Anderson are not coming back. Understandable that their owner has said they would go into the tax but let's keep it 100, max Morant, max JJJ, $20 mil Brooks, 15-20 mil Bane, 15-20 mil Clarke plus potentially $15 mil Tyus Jones or even Kyle Anderson is not a sustainable. I think them drafting TyTy and LaRavia was their way of saying they are moving on.

I think if Jones can be had for the MLE, do it.

Another name not mentioned, Dennis Schroeder. He's not the long term solution, but at the very least, if he's surrounded by good defensive players, it probably wouldn't be a bad move.

[nate33]

We'll sign Gary Payton II as our starting Point Guard for the MLE.

Gary Payton isn't really a PG though. He's more of a poor-shooting small forward trapped in a point guard's body. Golden State can make it work because their unique spacing provides opportunities for Payton to make cuts, but in most offenses, he is a liability. He can't run an offense, he can't run pick-and-roll, he can't shoot off the bounce, and he is pretty bad on catch-and-shoots unless he has all day.

He may also be the best defensive PG I've ever seen, though.

[nate33]

I think Memphis is prepping for the idea that Jones and Anderson are not coming back. Understandable that their owner has said they would go into the tax but let's keep it 100, max Morant, max JJJ, $20 mil Brooks, 15-20 mil Bane, 15-20 mil Clarke plus potentially $15 mil Tyus Jones or even Kyle Anderson is not a sustainable. I think them drafting TyTy and LaRavia was their way of saying they are moving on.

I think if Jones can be had for the MLE, do it.

Another name not mentioned, Dennis Schroeder. He's not the long term solution, but at the very least, if he's surrounded by good defensive players, it probably wouldn't be a bad move.

Tyus Jones for the MLE is my first choice in the free agency market.

I want no part of Schroeder though. He has failed spectacularly whenever he has been asked to lead an offense. He is an instant offense 6th man, at best. I'd much rather have Rubio, Wright or Bledsoe. At least those guys can defend.

[9 and 20]

All of Rui, KCP, and Kuzma are going to be playing for contracts next year. If they sign a point guard to a one year deal, that guy will also be playing for a contract. Brad might or might be playing and trying to justify his $50 mil a year. Wes Jr. was not showing all that much ability to lay down some order last year when guys were griping about wanting shots, needing the ball, etc.

Tommy got some work left to do.

[Ruzious]

Should Markelle Fultz be a consideration? Or does his lack of a 3, injury history, so-so assist/to ratio, and high salary make him a no - even though he's just 24 and a former #1 #1 pick?

[Frichuela]

Should Markelle Fultz be a consideration? Or does his lack of a 3, injury history, so-so assist/to ratio, and high salary make him a no - even though he's just 24 and a former #1 #1 pick?

He should be in my view. Him and Davis would improve our perimeter D from the get go..

The other trade candidate from ORL is Suggs....problem is would we give up Deni for Suggs? Suggs also struggled from 3 big time last season...although he is already a good defender...

[Ruzious]

Should Markelle Fultz be a consideration? Or does his lack of a 3, injury history, so-so assist/to ratio, and high salary make him a no - even though he's just 24 and a former #1 #1 pick?

He should be in my view. Him and Davis would improve our perimeter D from the get go..

The other trade candidate from ORL is Suggs....problem is would we give up Deni for Suggs? Suggs also struggled from 3 big time last season...although he is already a good defender...

Orlando isn't going to give up on Suggs this quickly. He's one of their building blocks. But Fultz seems to be forgotten.

[Frichuela]

Should Markelle Fultz be a consideration? Or does his lack of a 3, injury history, so-so assist/to ratio, and high salary make him a no - even though he's just 24 and a former #1 #1 pick?

He should be in my view. Him and Davis would improve our perimeter D from the get go..

The other trade candidate from ORL is Suggs....problem is would we give up Deni for Suggs? Suggs also struggled from 3 big time last season...although he is already a good defender...

Orlando isn't going to give up on Suggs this quickly. He's one of their building blocks. But Fultz seems to be forgotten.

Agreed. Problem is what would a rebuilding Orlando want for Fultz? We probably need a 3-way trade, where we send Kuzma/KCP somewhere for some draft compensation/young asset to entice Orlando to do so...

[pcbothwel]

Should Markelle Fultz be a consideration? Or does his lack of a 3, injury history, so-so assist/to ratio, and high salary make him a no - even though he's just 24 and a former #1 #1 pick?

He should be in my view. Him and Davis would improve our perimeter D from the get go..

The other trade candidate from ORL is Suggs....problem is would we give up Deni for Suggs? Suggs also struggled from 3 big time last season...although he is already a good defender...

Orlando isn't going to give up on Suggs this quickly. He's one of their building blocks. But Fultz seems to be forgotten.

I actually think Davis is a lot like Suggs.
CCJ mentioned it in another thread, but we just drafted a highly competitive, physical combo guard that outworks guys, rebounds, great defender, played QB in HS, USA basketball, etc.
Suggs is the better athlete, but Davis is 1.5 inches taller and 2+ inches longer.
Suggs had more assist, but played with significantly better talent against moderate competition. I don't doubt that if you switched rolls, Suggs would of been a bit more of a ball stopper and Davis would of racked up a few more assist.

I think Fultz would be a perfect fit, however, I'm not moving positive assets for him when he has 2/33M left on his deal.
I would offer KCP for Fultz and a 2nd, but if ORL wants more, then I would MUCH rather have Rubio, Jones, or even Delon Wright.

[NatP4]

Good call PC, also reminds me of Jared Butler in a way. Think Davis would’ve taken a massive leap forward in efficiency as a junior on a good team.

Imagine Davis with Kispert, Timme, Nembhard, Ayayi around him.

[TGW]

Sheppard keeps talking about Beal at point guard. I wonder if he's drinking during these press conferences, because everyone knows Beal isn't a point guard. And he must be double drunk if he thinks Davis can play point. He's closer to an undersized small forward.

Desperation will kick in soon for a PG.

[nate33]

Sheppard keeps talking about Beal at point guard. I wonder if he's drinking during these press conferences, because everyone knows Beal isn't a point guard. And he must be double drunk if he thinks Davis can play point. He's closer to an undersized small forward.

Desperation will kick in soon for a PG.

I'm okay with this as his public stance. He should be quietly looking to trade for a PG, but it's better to not indicate that he is desperate to acquire one.

[pcbothwel]

Sheppard keeps talking about Beal at point guard. I wonder if he's drinking during these press conferences, because everyone knows Beal isn't a point guard. And he must be double drunk if he thinks Davis can play point. He's closer to an undersized small forward.

Desperation will kick in soon for a PG.

This was my hold up with Davis, but I think their philosophy has a lot of legs. A guy like Pat Bev last year really showed the value in having a 'lead' guard (Ant) that can focus on offense with a defensive guard to eat up the other teams lead guard.

Overpaying small PG's always ends up causing more problems because they mostly dont defend well and have no versatility. The league is quickly catching on here. If you are 6'2 barefoot or under and dont profile as an elite offensive threat, then you tumble.

I actually disagree with you and think the supply outweighs the demand.
You got Rubio and Jones on the FA market (Wright too, but not a starter), Brogdon WILL be traded, Sexton, one of the Magic Guards, and DLO might be traded.
I dont see any team that will offer Rubio or Jones the Full MLE AND a starting spot/minutes.

Im also curious about the KCP & Kuz/Rui dynamic. We are only re-signing one of Kuz or Rui and KCP is being replaced by Kispert, Davis, and Ayayi. Hopefully Tommy doesnt let these assets just walk and we either consolidate or liquidate.

[Rafael122]

So there's 5 teams projected to have significant cap space: Detroit, Portland, Indiana, San Antonio and Portland. None of them need a point guard and they're not going to make him a starter.

Then you look at the teams with the full MLE: Minnesota, Phoenix, Chicago, Miami, Houston, NY, Sacramento, Washington, Charlotte, Cleveland, New Orleans, Toronto, OKC.

Minnesota - they have Russell, Bev, Edwards, KAT who can all play point or bring the ball up.
Phoenix - has Paul and Payne, doubt they would waste $10 million on a backup.
Chicago - Caruso, Ball, doubt they will double down and bring Jones in. Lavine and DDR can also play point at times.
Miami - just signed Lowry last year and Butler is ball dominant.
Houston - MAYBE, but would Jones want to go a team not competing for anything. Doubt Houston would sign him to begin with.
Knicks - they have Rose, and their goal seems to be to sign Brunson.
Kings - not with Fox and Mitchell there.
Hornets - Rozier, Hayward, Ball, they're fine at that spot.
Cavs - they have Garland and might bring back Sexton and Rubio. But they might be a darkhorse.
Pels - I personally don't see it, especially with Ingram and McCollum there.
Raptors - don't think so. FVV, Siakam can play point forward, Barnes as well.
OKC - they have Shai and Giddey.

Washington is the only team that would legitimately give him the full MLE and the starting PG position. Cavs might be a contender for him if they move on from Rubio and Sexton. His other option would be to stay in Memphis, but as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense for the Grizzlies to bring everyone back knowing that the roster will start getting really expensive in the next year or 2.

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