Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[LyricalRico]

Two part trade:

Trade 1:
Washington trades: Blatche + 2011 2nd
Indy trades: P.George + Posey

Indy adds a PF without hurting their cap space this summer.

Trade 2:
Washington trades: Yi + Thornton + Howard
LA Clippers trade: Kaman

The Clippers dump Kaman's $12.7M salary and allow Jordan to take over as full time center.

We dump Blatche while picking up a talented young swing man. We also get to rent Kaman for a year who can provide some beef in the paint and some better defense.

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF George/Posey
PF Lewis/Booker
C Kaman/McGee/Seraphin

In the summer, we draft a PF (Sullinger, Williams or Kanter) and bump Lewis up to SF with George backing up both SG and SF. We actually end up clearing even more cap room in summer 2012 with Blatche off the books.

I don't think the Clips nor the Pacers do those trades. Kaman is a borderline all-star and Indy is high on Paul George. If either team does accept, Washington needs to gobble those trades up.

I agree that Indy would probably balk. I don't see Blatche as the kind of guy Bird wants on his team, although he could change his mind if they can get us to take D.Jones of their hands.

I disagree about LAC. Kaman has not been an All-Star caliber player this year and he doesn't fit with their new young, athletic core. I think they'd absolutely be willing to deal him. If they want a little more, and Indy declines Blatche, then we can send our second to LA instead.

[GhostsOfGil]

lol did i just read a double post?

[LyricalRico]

If Indy won't go for Blatche, how about this if they think they will be a playoff team by getting another PG:

Wizards trade: Hinrich and second
Pacers trade: Posey, Jones, and lotto protected first

We essentially do a BOYD deal to add the extra year on Jones' contract to get a future first. Indy tries yet another PG in their search for a team leader.

Follow that up with expirings for Kaman, then Blatche to PHX for Childress (plus maybe another protected first) and me likey:

Kaman/McGee
Lewis/Booker
Childress/Posey
Young/Jones
Wall/Shakur

Much better defensively, much smarter, and much more professional. Still not a great team but at least it would be a team I could really root for. And we'd be looking at additional picks down the road.

[Nivek]

I'd stay away from Kaman for anything except a BOYD strategy. Even when he was "All-Star" level, he was horribly inefficient on offense, and his rebounding and defense hasn't been anything special for at least 2-3 seasons. I'd rather just keep working on McGee and hope he "gets it" at some point. Just on raw physical ability, McGee is probably already the more effective player.

[nate33]

Blatche + expirings for Kaman works.

We take on a bit more salary next year, but free up salary thereafter. It works for the Clippers because Blatche could be a backup PF/C who plays behind both Griffin and Jordan - and he's signed to reasonable, long-term contract.

Let's get some competition for McGee so he is motivated to improve in time for his new contract in 2012. It's a win-win either way. Either McGee doesn't improve much, and gets stuck playing behind Kaman next year (driving down the cost of his new contract), or McGee busts his ass and becomes the stud center he is capable of being.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd stay away from Kaman for anything except a BOYD strategy. Even when he was "All-Star" level, he was horribly inefficient on offense, and his rebounding and defense hasn't been anything special for at least 2-3 seasons. I'd rather just keep working on McGee and hope he "gets it" at some point. Just on raw physical ability, McGee is probably already the more effective player.

Agreed. Kaman's not a guy you build towards the future with for the reasons Nivek mentioned.

[Bickerstaff]

Blatche + expirings for Kaman works.

We take on a bit more salary next year, but free up salary thereafter. It works for the Clippers because Blatche could be a backup PF/C who plays behind both Griffin and Jordan - and he's signed to reasonable, long-term contract.

If he's signed to a reasonable, long-term contract, then why the rush to trade him?

[jivelikenice]

I think you move Dray if you think his influence on the team is a negative and if its going to stunt the growth of this team. The more I see, the more I think this may be the case. Dray, McGee, & Young just don't seem like they will get it if they stay together and it may take moving one of them to have the other two flourish.

[MF23]

I think you move Dray if you think his influence on the team is a negative and if its going to stunt the growth of this team. The more I see, the more I think this may be the case. Dray, McGee, & Young just don't seem like they will get it if they stay together and it may take moving one of them to have the other two flourish.

^ Winner!

[dangermouse]

Indy would never go for a Dray for Paul George trade. They probably would have bitten at the start of the season, right when he was coming off injury and he hadnt done anything to hurt his trade value. Hes probably on their wish list, but I think hes near the bottom. On the second page.

I like the idea of getting Kaman. We'd have the ugliest pair of centres in the league. Getting McGee some competition would be a good move. Not that I dont think he hasnt been working hard or that he hasnt improved, but it would elevate his game even further to go against a proper C who knows what hes doing in practise, and observing when hes on the floor in games. Another guy who could fit that mold and come a lot cheaper is Pryzbilla, but i think Portland will do everything they can to hold onto him.

Lakers are looking to make a trade, it seems backup point is a problem for them. Though they dont have much to offer for Hinrich... They dont have much to offer anyone really.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think you move Dray if you think his influence on the team is a negative and if its going to stunt the growth of this team. The more I see, the more I think this may be the case. Dray, McGee, & Young just don't seem like they will get it if they stay together and it may take moving one of them to have the other two flourish.

I want Kenneth Faried in this draft. 14 boards a game with 2 blocks and 2 steals. Throw in 17 points and .623 shooting. He's got a motor that won't quit on defense. I think he plays anything, SF-C.

My master plan would be to move Blatche for Faried's rights--but to use the Wizards lottery pick for Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, or either Kanter or Valanciunas. Reading DX's latest on Valanciunas, he sounds like a beast. I don't want to wait for him, at not yet 19 years old, but he sounds like the real deal per their scout.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon ... unas-5622/

I think the Wizards would do well to get a stud PF and another energy guy like Faried. There are plenty perimeter guys who will slip into round two. Lace Dunn is one of them. Charles Jenkins (Lester Hudson-type, if that's good or bad I dunno). Just looking at last year's draft, solid guys like Manny Harris and Jordan Williams fell a long ways. Nick's competition could be a guy who falls in the draft.

[nate33]

My master plan would be to move Blatche for Faried's rights--but to use the Wizards lottery pick for Derrick Williams, Jared Sullinger, or either Kanter or Valanciunas.

Sign me up for that CCJ. That's a great plan.

Maybe Indy will trade us their #15ish pick + Posey for Blatche. Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

[eltacoman]

Captin Kirk
for
Lakers 1st

?

[LyricalRico]

Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

Blatche for Childress+lotto protected first? Maybe the Wiz throw in a second.

[Da HomeTeam]

Thomas Robinson....that is all.

[tontoz]

Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

Blatche for Childress+lotto protected first? Maybe the Wiz throw in a second.

Do you really want to tie up $7 million per year through 2015 on a wing player who can't score outside 5 feet or play defense?

[closg00]

Kirks pic in the LA Times trade article, don't know why they'd need Kirk when they already have Blake under-contract. Don't see how they could even come-up with a plausible trade.

The Lakers and Jackson have always coveted guard Kirk Hinrich, who is averaging 10.9 points and 4.5 assists for the Washington Wizards. Hinrich, 30, makes $9 million this season and $8 million next season.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... 7216.story

[nate33]

Or maybe Phoenix wants him.

Blatche for Childress+lotto protected first? Maybe the Wiz throw in a second.

Do you really want to tie up $7 million per year through 2015 on a wing player who can't score outside 5 feet or play defense?

Yes. Please stop trading Blatche for Childress. Childress sucks and has a terrible contract. At least Blatche is 7-feet tall, 3 years younger, and is a talented albeit undisciplined player.

If I'm trading Blatche for a pick, I'd insist on getting back a 2012 contract. Maybe that means that we can't get back a lotto pick in the trade, but all we need for Faried is something in the 20's.

[nate33]

Kirks pic in the LA Times trade article, don't know why they'd need Kirk when they already have Blake under-contract. Don't see how they could even come-up with a plausible trade.

The Lakers and Jackson have always coveted guard Kirk Hinrich, who is averaging 10.9 points and 4.5 assists for the Washington Wizards. Hinrich, 30, makes $9 million this season and $8 million next season.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... 7216.story

Amazing. The Lakers have literally no trade assets other than their core players. Everyone on that team is overpaid. I'm not even sure I'd want Kobe, Gasol or Bynum considering they're making $27M, $19M and $15M per year respectively.

[sashae]

The Lakers' lack of assets has never stopped them from fleecing people in the past. Pau Gasol, anyone? I have to say, the Lakers' fanbase has to be the most delusional on the planet with regards to the value of their own players -- "I don't know if I'd give up Derek Fisher in a trade for Chris Paul" sort of stuff.

Trade exceptions can't be combined with a player for a trade, right? Too bad, as Shannon Brown + Lakers' exception (Vujacic) + a pick for Hinrich wouldn't be too terrible...