Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[GeeWiz]

But on the topic of trades, does anybody else want to make a move for John Henson on the Bucks? He looks like hes got some real defensive potential. Id love to have him, but im not sure it would be cheap.


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[verbal8]

But on the topic of trades, does anybody else want to make a move for John Henson on the Bucks? He looks like hes got some real defensive potential. Id love to have him, but im not sure it would be cheap.


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I think the Bucks do have to move one of Ilyasova/Henson/Sanders to get some young back-court help. In some ways they are the opposite of the Wizards - depth but no starters. Rather than 5 or 6 productive players and a steep drop off, they have about 10 ok players, but nobody producing at a star level.

[Ruzious]

But on the topic of trades, does anybody else want to make a move for John Henson on the Bucks? He looks like hes got some real defensive potential. Id love to have him, but im not sure it would be cheap.


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I think the Bucks do have to move one of Ilyasova/Henson/Sanders to get some young back-court help. In some ways they are the opposite of the Wizards - depth but no starters. Rather than 5 or 6 productive players and a steep drop off, they have about 10 ok players, but nobody producing at a star level.

My guess is - the hope in Milwaukee is that their offseason consists of getting Jabari Parker (Wiggins being their second choice) in the draft and work out a deal with Boston for Rajon Rondo - who will be available because he's in the last year of his contract and Boston will still be rebuilding. All of a sudden, Milw finally becomes a very interesting team.

[fishercob]

For those interested in accelerating our rebuild and think we need to maximize what we can out of our current roster:

Beal, and our 4 expiring young guys (Vesely, Seraphin, Booker, Singleton)

for

Al Horford, Lou Williams, Mack


Drastically improves our team today and we still have Porter to trade for a "win now" piece if we want.

Wall/Lou/Mack
Webster/Lou
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Nene
Gortat/Nene

PIck and roll, shoot threes, pound the board. Our trio of bigs could give Miami fits.

[dckingsfan]

Hmmm, I would think the Bucks would sit tight with
PG: Knight/Wolters
SG: Mayo/Neal
SF: Antetokounmpo/Delphino
PF: Henson/Ilyasova
C: Sanders/Pachulia/Raduljica

Hoping that they get Parker, Wiggins or Smart. If they get Wiggins or Smart they go after a PG FA, if they get Smart they go after a SF FA.

And I wouldn't think they would want to deal with the Cs if they have to give up picks. I would think they would use their FA $$s and go after Bledsoe (RFA). But it is just a gut feeling that they won't go after Rondo.

[dckingsfan]

For those interested in accelerating our rebuild and think we need to maximize what we can out of our current roster:

Beal, and our 4 expiring young guys (Vesely, Seraphin, Booker, Singleton)

for

Al Horford, Lou Williams, Mack


Drastically improves our team today and we still have Porter to trade for a "win now" piece if we want.

Wall/Lou/Mack
Webster/Lou
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Nene
Gortat/Nene

PIck and roll, shoot threes, pound the board. Our trio of bigs could give Miami fits.

And include Ayon for Singleton...

[Silvie Lysandra]

The only Beal offers I would listen to involve either a top 3 2014 pick, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Paul George or Anthony Davis. Beal could end up being a Wade/Allen hybrid which is pretty ridiculous. I think current Harden with more defense is a midrange projection for Beal.

[GeeWiz]

For those interested in accelerating our rebuild and think we need to maximize what we can out of our current roster:

Beal, and our 4 expiring young guys (Vesely, Seraphin, Booker, Singleton)

for

Al Horford, Lou Williams, Mack


Drastically improves our team today and we still have Porter to trade for a "win now" piece if we want.

Wall/Lou/Mack
Webster/Lou
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Nene
Gortat/Nene

PIck and roll, shoot threes, pound the board. Our trio of bigs could give Miami fits.

That is a BIG team. That would be a great trade for us if we wanted to compete now, and Wall and Horford would work wonders together.

I dont think ATL gives up on Horford as their best player just yet, and I think theyll try to build around him.

But if that deal was proposed, Id jump on it


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[stevemcqueen1]

Beal, Porter, Vesely, Seraphin for Larry Sanders and Ilyasova?

No thanks. You don't trade a future perennial All Star on a rookie deal for two role players.

I wouldn't trade Porter for either of those two guys yet either. Haven't even seen him play yet. IMO that deal has us give up the two best players by far.

[Ruzious]

Hmmm, I would think the Bucks would sit tight with
PG: Knight/Wolters
SG: Mayo/Neal
SF: Antetokounmpo/Delphino
PF: Henson/Ilyasova
C: Sanders/Pachulia/Raduljica

Hoping that they get Parker, Wiggins or Smart. If they get Wiggins or Smart they go after a PG FA, if they get Smart they go after a SF FA.

And I wouldn't think they would want to deal with the Cs if they have to give up picks. I would think they would use their FA $$s and go after Bledsoe (RFA). But it is just a gut feeling that they won't go after Rondo.

They're going to have a max of less than $6 mil in cap space when you factor in the cap hold on their draft pick - so going after an expensive free agent isn't likely.

Getting Rondo - because of his contract status and health - might be as cheap as offering Antetokounmpo, filler, a future #1, and a bunch of seconds that they seem to be collecting - but we'll see.

[stevemcqueen1]

The only Beal offers I would listen to involve either a top 3 2014 pick, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Paul George or Anthony Davis. Beal could end up being a Wade/Allen hybrid which is pretty ridiculous. I think current Harden with more defense is a midrange projection for Beal.

Yeah Beal is off the table. He's got a legit chance of being the best SG in the NBA in two years.

[verbal8]

The only Beal offers I would listen to involve either a top 3 2014 pick, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Paul George or Anthony Davis. Beal could end up being a Wade/Allen hybrid which is pretty ridiculous. I think current Harden with more defense is a midrange projection for Beal.

I could see that list for Wall, but Beal is not as proven. I would say you have to consider the next tier of players in potential deals. Horford is at his prime(27) and under a good contract for 3 years. It won't be as much of a bargain as Beal on his rookie deal, but with the right incentive it could greatly increase short term success while having a decent window of opportunity. If the Wizards went this route, they should be willing to take on future contracts for decent bench help. That Nene/Gortat/Horford bigs rotation is solid. Williams helps out as starting SG and a back-up PG.

[dckingsfan]

Hmmm, I would think the Bucks would sit tight with
PG: Knight/Wolters
SG: Mayo/Neal
SF: Antetokounmpo/Delphino
PF: Henson/Ilyasova
C: Sanders/Pachulia/Raduljica

Hoping that they get Parker, Wiggins or Smart. If they get Wiggins or Smart they go after a PG FA, if they get Smart they go after a SF FA.

And I wouldn't think they would want to deal with the Cs if they have to give up picks. I would think they would use their FA $$s and go after Bledsoe (RFA). But it is just a gut feeling that they won't go after Rondo.

They're going to have a max of less than $6 mil in cap space when you factor in the cap hold on their draft pick - so going after an expensive free agent isn't likely.

Getting Rondo - because of his contract status and health - might be as cheap as offering Antetokounmpo, filler, a future #1, and a bunch of seconds that they seem to be collecting - but we'll see.

Good point... I wonder if OKC would match on a 7M offer for Jackson? And another good reason why they would part with Pechulia for an expiring.

Although, I have this gut feeling that they are going to get Smart (pun) in the draft and will be going after a FA SF.

[Ruzious]

Hmmm, I would think the Bucks would sit tight with
PG: Knight/Wolters
SG: Mayo/Neal
SF: Antetokounmpo/Delphino
PF: Henson/Ilyasova
C: Sanders/Pachulia/Raduljica

Hoping that they get Parker, Wiggins or Smart. If they get Wiggins or Smart they go after a PG FA, if they get Smart they go after a SF FA.

And I wouldn't think they would want to deal with the Cs if they have to give up picks. I would think they would use their FA $$s and go after Bledsoe (RFA). But it is just a gut feeling that they won't go after Rondo.

They're going to have a max of less than $6 mil in cap space when you factor in the cap hold on their draft pick - so going after an expensive free agent isn't likely.

Getting Rondo - because of his contract status and health - might be as cheap as offering Antetokounmpo, filler, a future #1, and a bunch of seconds that they seem to be collecting - but we'll see.

Good point... I have this gut feeling that they are going to get Smart (pun) in the draft and will be going after a FA SF.

That could be - though Smart's assist/to ratio makes it a real question of what's his NBA position. If he's a 2, he needs to improve his 3 point shooting, and Milw would still need a 1. I hope the free agent they would sign in your scenario isn't Caron Butler... again.

[fishercob]

For those interested in accelerating our rebuild and think we need to maximize what we can out of our current roster:

Beal, and our 4 expiring young guys (Vesely, Seraphin, Booker, Singleton)

for

Al Horford, Lou Williams, Mack


Drastically improves our team today and we still have Porter to trade for a "win now" piece if we want.

Wall/Lou/Mack
Webster/Lou
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Nene
Gortat/Nene

PIck and roll, shoot threes, pound the board. Our trio of bigs could give Miami fits.

That is a BIG team. That would be a great trade for us if we wanted to compete now, and Wall and Horford would work wonders together.

I dont think ATL gives up on Horford as their best player just yet, and I think theyll try to build around him.

But if that deal was proposed, Id jump on it


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Cool, while we're at it, let's trade Otto for Afflalo (rolls off the tongue, no?)

Wall/Lou/Mack
Afflalo/Lou/Martell
Ariza/Martell
Horford/Nene
Gortat/Nene

That's 9 players. We'd need a few vet min guys, but I assume all-stars would line up to play for that team for free.

Our tax bill would be ridiculous, but who cares -- Sweetgreens going public pretty soon and we'll all be billionaires.

[barelyawake]

The only Beal offers I would listen to involve either a top 3 2014 pick, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Paul George or Anthony Davis. Beal could end up being a Wade/Allen hybrid which is pretty ridiculous. I think current Harden with more defense is a midrange projection for Beal.

Right, but what if it is for Durant? What if we trade Beal for Durant (eventually) and three future picks, Porter, and expirings for a guy like Aldridge (again eventually). Or just have cap to sign him or someone like him. Wall, Webster, Durant, Aldridge, draft.

Again, I'm not saying we can or should do this. I'm saying a good GM could figure out a way to drastically increase this team in the future. We have assets if we plan properly. And we need to plan understanding we need a superstar sf, pf or c to win a championship even if that means giving up Beal -- though I don't think it has to at all. If we trade for or draft a young defensive center on a rookie contract; trade players like Ariza (and maybe Webster) when their value is high; and only sign/trade for contracts that end in two years, we can attract Durant without trading Beal.

What we can't do is settle for our currant roster. We need to constantly improve our assets with a plan for the future.

[nuposse04]

Serpahin+Maynor+'15 2nd

for

Speights+Douglas

has gotten generally accepting vibes from the trade board. I'd do it. I liked Speights in Phi/Mem/Cle.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'd trade Maynor plus expiring contracts (Seraphin and Singleton) for him (Jarrett Jack). I wouldn't trade Ariza and I'd insist that Maynor be sent out.

I don't think Cleveland bites yet, but if they continue to struggle, they may look to jettison some veterans.

This is a good trade on its face, but I wouldn't make it. We have two obvious primary needs -- backup combo guard and backup big man. I think it's easier to find a competant bargain guard -- guys like Livingston, Isiah Thomas, Brian Roberts, Udrih, etc., than it is to find a big man. Beal's return and Porter's arrival are going to have some trickle down effects that should provide a little more production in the backcourt. While they may have some similar effects up front, they'll be small.

So I think if we have one trade in us, it's got to be for a big. Hopefully it also opens a roster spot so we can add a D-Leaguer or someone returning from China to help the backcourt as well. But if it was me, I'd be looking for deals before the deadline for the best big I can get with my expirings -- Bass, Frye, etc.

Agreed, it has to be for a legit NBA FC player... and hope for a D League/foreign backcourt player. I don't agree that Porter is going to make a difference this year. He just has too much to overcome (getting over the injury, getting back in basketball shape, learning the offensive and defensive schemes and getting used to the speed of the NBA) to make a positive contribution this year.

A deal with Cleveland for Varajao and Jack makes sense for both teams on a lot of levels.

Washington sends Ariza, Seraphin, Maynor, Booker, Singleton. Cleveland sends Varajao, Jack, Gee.

Why for Cleveland? Gets them out of two of their highest contract on older players. Opens roles for younger front court players. Fill need at SF with Ariza who is playing at a high level, and expiring contract for future flexibility. Other young players on low cost short term contracts. Overall team gets comparable skill while getting younger and gaining financial flexibility advancing their rebuild efforts.

Why for Wizards? Team is in win now mode, move solidifies bench and strengthens team for playoff push this year. Adding two quality veteran players to their bench in Varajao and Jack. Wizards have injury prone Nene next couple years, and having Varajao is Nene insurance if he goes out, and reduces his pounding and minutes before hand to help improve his durability. Gives the Wizards a 3 man rotation at PF/C of Gortat, Nene, Varajao. A 3 man guard rotation of Beal, Jack, Wall. SF rotation of Porter, Webster. Very good 8 man rotation of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Jack, Wall. Rest of bench filled out with role players Vesely, Harrington, Gee, Rice, Temple.

This is a solid playoff team we can go with next couple years as is, while our young core of Wall, Beal, Porter continue to develop and improve, until Nene comes off books and can reboot with new cap space at that time to retool our older frontcourt to coordinate it with our backcourt as it's entering it's prime. This offseason we would be unable to sign Monroe, but we'd have Gortat and Varajao in place which is comparable for the time being. We'd have limited cap space, but would at least still be able to add a good piece with our MLE to this already good and deep roster.

C - Gorat, Varajao, Nene
PF- Nene, Varajao, Harrington, Vesely
SF- Porter/Webster, Gee, Rice
SG- Beal, Webster, Jack, Temple
PG- Wall, Jack, Temple

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This is the deal we should make. This trade satisfies all of the needs and within all the parameters we have. It keep Durant as a possibility down the road, while immediately giving us a roster with the talent and depth to be a top team in the east for at least the next 2-3 years, establishing a winning culture, a team identity and stability, to then make this a desirable destination at the right time for an impact FA like Durant.

[popper]

Lock it down.

[theboomking]

All of the Otto Porter for Ersan Ilyasova stuff is crazy. Most scenarios have us wildly overpaying for Ersan> Thus far this season, he is averaging 23.1 minutes and 8.1ppg with a PER of 12.58. In only 2/6 years has he scored more than 10.4ppg (13.0, 13.2). I actually think Ariza and filler would be fair. We upgrade our frontcourt depth, and the Bucks strengthen their tank, which should be their only priority.

I wish there was a way to get Ryan Anderson, but we don't have the bullets.