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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#741 » by MDStar » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:53 pm

hands11 wrote:
ZaelleDC wrote:
Nivek wrote:
First, Welcome to the board.

Now:

Really? No issues at all? Just looking at the moves he made since last season, his record has been meh at best.

The future could be promising, if Wall, Beal and Porter improve (a lot), and/or if Gortat, Nenê and Ariza are brought back AND don't decline/get hurt (again)/regress. Or if they're able to find replacements for those guys.


Thanks.
Every GM has made some moves they may regret. Just part of the business. It's what you choose to focus on when you take into account the whole body of work and look at where the current direction of the team is headed.


Right. Just heard Chuck and the gang talking about the Chicago 2006 draft.

Blazers trade Viktor Khryapa + #4 to Chicago for #2 and the Chicago 2007 2nd rounder.

Who did the Bull get at #4 ? - Tyrus Thomas
Who did POR get at #2 ? - LaMarcus Aldridge

:clap: :nonono:


Let's not get carried away here, Hands. EG has made several bad moves that have set this rebuild back multiple times. His waste of resources has almost been egregious.
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#742 » by montestewart » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:55 pm

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MDStar wrote:This is becoming quite the conundrum for me. On one hand (maybe 1 and a half) we have all of the terrible decisions that EG has made to where he should have been fired a long time ago. Moves which have been discussed and will continue to be discuss ad nauseam until EG is replaced. However on the other half hand, can I really say that the team built today is mediocre IF they go on to make a lot of noise in these playoffs? I'm not so sure.

This year has been pretty "all over the place" in terms of determining how we stack up against the competition, however in terms of talent, especially in our starters, we could possibly be in the top ten in the league. With this team i wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series to Chicago but I also wouldn't be surprised if they went all the way to the conference finals and played Miami to a game 7 for a chance to go to the finals. I just have no idea of how good or bad they truly are.



Great points.So many are quick to say this team has underachieved and that the East is historically bad this year so it should be in the playoffs. This team is better than many think. Experts and analysts realize it. Unfortunately, the teams own fans are last to jump on board. I stand by my assertion that this is one of the better teams in the East. The Wizards can beat anyone.

WRONG! AGAIN! This board in general pretty accurately predicted how good this team would be this year. We were not behind, we were ahead. and the only people saying the team underachieved are those who say they are better than their record. I told you all this before but you were digging a moat for your sand castle and are thus free to repeat such inaccurate assertions.

PS: You can't win this "Told you so, admit I was right" chase because you serially deny the substance of the counterpoints. Too much grey area for your grey area. They'll never recognize your genius. THE FOOLS. You'll show them. You'll show them all!
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#743 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:03 pm

Apparently Millie believes Grunfeld deserves credit for the East being historically bad. Perhaps that is part of EG's genius.
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#744 » by milellie111 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:04 pm

hands11 wrote:
ZaelleDC wrote:
Nivek wrote:
First, Welcome to the board.

Now:

Really? No issues at all? Just looking at the moves he made since last season, his record has been meh at best.

The future could be promising, if Wall, Beal and Porter improve (a lot), and/or if Gortat, Nenê and Ariza are brought back AND don't decline/get hurt (again)/regress. Or if they're able to find replacements for those guys.


Thanks.
Every GM has made some moves they may regret. Just part of the business. It's what you choose to focus on when you take into account the whole body of work and look at where the current direction of the team is headed.


Right. Just heard Chuck and the gang talking about the Chicago 2006 draft.

Blazers trade Viktor Khryapa + #4 to Chicago for #2 and the Chicago 2007 2nd rounder.

Who did the Bull get at #4 ? - Tyrus Thomas
Who did POR get at #2 ? - LaMarcus Aldridge

:clap: :nonono:


Right hands. Every GM will make bad moves at some point. Kupchak with the Lakers 2007 Luke Walton. Larry Bird with the Pacers Jeff Foster 2009. The almighty RC Buford with the Spurs Richard Jefferson 2010.
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#745 » by MDStar » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:08 pm

Nivek wrote:
MDStar wrote:This is becoming quite the conundrum for me. On one hand (maybe 1 and a half) we have all of the terrible decisions that EG has made to where he should have been fired a long time ago. Moves which have been discussed and will continue to be discuss ad nauseam until EG is replaced. However on the other half hand, can I really say that the team built today is mediocre IF they go on to make a lot of noise in these playoffs? I'm not so sure.

This year has been pretty "all over the place" in terms of determining how we stack up against the competition, however in terms of talent, especially in our starters, we could possibly be in the top ten in the league. With this team i wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series to Chicago but I also wouldn't be surprised if they went all the way to the conference finals and played Miami to a game 7 for a chance to go to the finals. I just have no idea of how good or bad they truly are.


A playoff run would be nice, but the regular season still happened. It's in the books and it's not changing. And, against the league's easiest schedule, the Wizards had the 14th best record. A perfectly average team playing against Washington's schedule this season would win about 43-44 games (the Pythagorean formula spits out 43.3, which ain't exactly possible). That's not criticism of the Wizards -- they can only play the teams on their schedule. But, it doesn't change the reality that they were average during the regular season.

Also not changing is that key parts of the team are older and/or expiring. They're going to have to re-acquire Gortat, Ariza, Booker and Gooden (if they want them back). Or, they're going to have find adequate replacements. Then they'll be in the business of hoping the young guys (Wall, Beal, Porter) improve fast enough that they'll become outstanding players before the inevitable declines of Gortat, Nenê and Miller.

Even if they make a deep playoff run this season, the time for them to repeat that kind of run is pretty short.

But, this is a "conundrum" we can revisit at some point down the road. Maybe after game two of this first round series against Chicago.

As an aside, I'm reminded of this thing that I wrote back in 2011.


As usual I agree with a majority of what you’re saying here. I guess my argument, if you want to call it that, is more so for the roster than for the decision maker. I believe that EG has lucked into the team that is currently built and with a more competent person at the helm, to tweak the current personal, there could be a bit more longevity in any potential playoff success.

The way I see it, Nene is the problem in the long run for this team (age/contract/production/etc.) However, our upcoming decisions are not on Nene, they’re on Ariza and Gortat, who I feel both could continue to play at current levels. So if we bring them back (which is likely), with the improving Wall, Beal and Porter, I feel the foundation is pretty solid. Having someone who could turn Nene into a better long term asset, as well as improve the bench a bit with some shrewd moves and the mid-level exemption, would be the deciding factor as to if this team could sustain some success.
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#746 » by hands11 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:46 pm

MDStar wrote:
hands11 wrote:
ZaelleDC wrote:
Thanks.
Every GM has made some moves they may regret. Just part of the business. It's what you choose to focus on when you take into account the whole body of work and look at where the current direction of the team is headed.


Right. Just heard Chuck and the gang talking about the Chicago 2006 draft.

Blazers trade Viktor Khryapa + #4 to Chicago for #2 and the Chicago 2007 2nd rounder.

Who did the Bull get at #4 ? - Tyrus Thomas
Who did POR get at #2 ? - LaMarcus Aldridge

:clap: :nonono:


Let's not get carried away here, Hands. EG has made several bad moves that have set this rebuild back multiple times. His waste of resources has almost been egregious.


And what does that have to do with what I wrote and the post I responded to? And what did I get carried away with ?

Can anyone make a comment without it getting turned in..yeah but .. EG did this or that. :nonono:

My God people. Give it a break.
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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#747 » by hands11 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:58 pm

MDStar wrote:
Nivek wrote:
MDStar wrote:This is becoming quite the conundrum for me. On one hand (maybe 1 and a half) we have all of the terrible decisions that EG has made to where he should have been fired a long time ago. Moves which have been discussed and will continue to be discuss ad nauseam until EG is replaced. However on the other half hand, can I really say that the team built today is mediocre IF they go on to make a lot of noise in these playoffs? I'm not so sure.

This year has been pretty "all over the place" in terms of determining how we stack up against the competition, however in terms of talent, especially in our starters, we could possibly be in the top ten in the league. With this team i wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series to Chicago but I also wouldn't be surprised if they went all the way to the conference finals and played Miami to a game 7 for a chance to go to the finals. I just have no idea of how good or bad they truly are.


A playoff run would be nice, but the regular season still happened. It's in the books and it's not changing. And, against the league's easiest schedule, the Wizards had the 14th best record. A perfectly average team playing against Washington's schedule this season would win about 43-44 games (the Pythagorean formula spits out 43.3, which ain't exactly possible). That's not criticism of the Wizards -- they can only play the teams on their schedule. But, it doesn't change the reality that they were average during the regular season.

Also not changing is that key parts of the team are older and/or expiring. They're going to have to re-acquire Gortat, Ariza, Booker and Gooden (if they want them back). Or, they're going to have find adequate replacements. Then they'll be in the business of hoping the young guys (Wall, Beal, Porter) improve fast enough that they'll become outstanding players before the inevitable declines of Gortat, Nenê and Miller.

Even if they make a deep playoff run this season, the time for them to repeat that kind of run is pretty short.

But, this is a "conundrum" we can revisit at some point down the road. Maybe after game two of this first round series against Chicago.

As an aside, I'm reminded of this thing that I wrote back in 2011.


As usual I agree with a majority of what you’re saying here. I guess my argument, if you want to call it that, is more so for the roster than for the decision maker. I believe that EG has lucked into the team that is currently built and with a more competent person at the helm, to tweak the current personal, there could be a bit more longevity in any potential playoff success.

The way I see it, Nene is the problem in the long run for this team (age/contract/production/etc.) However, our upcoming decisions are not on Nene, they’re on Ariza and Gortat, who I feel both could continue to play at current levels. So if we bring them back (which is likely), with the improving Wall, Beal and Porter, I feel the foundation is pretty solid. Having someone who could turn Nene into a better long term asset, as well as improve the bench a bit with some shrewd moves and the mid-level exemption, would be the deciding factor as to if this team could sustain some success.


And right on Q,

Face it. Luck or no luck, if they make it deep in the playoffs, the proof will be in the pudding.

As for what happens this summer and next year, no one knows. Projecting all the worst will likely not happen nor will projecting all the best actually happen.

But given how wrong people have been about TA and Nene, forgive me if I don't except their projections for what will happen. We will see what happens when we see what happens.

Right now, we have some Bulls burgers to cook up tonight.


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Re: Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong 

Post#748 » by milellie111 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:21 am

Still proving doubters wrong.
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Post#749 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:31 am

Why do you bump your threads after every win yet dont contribute to anything else, this didn't prove doubters wrong, the players won that game. Please go away it was a great comeback win pls dont troll tonight
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Post#750 » by milellie111 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:36 am

MikeTheKid wrote:Why do you bump your threads after every win yet dont contribute to anything else, this didn't prove doubters wrong, the players won that game. Please go away it was a great comeback win pls dont troll tonight


I have been posting in the game threads. I am not trolling. I am just as excited as you are. You obviously have a personal issue with Grunfeld if you can't accept the fact he deserves credit. The players won the game yes. But who brought these players in here genius?
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Post#751 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:40 am

milellie111 wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:Why do you bump your threads after every win yet dont contribute to anything else, this didn't prove doubters wrong, the players won that game. Please go away it was a great comeback win pls dont troll tonight


I have been posting in the game threads. I am not trolling. I am just as excited as you are. You obviously have a personal issue with Grunfeld if you can't accept the fact he deserves credit. The players won the game yes. But who brought these players in here genius?


Who gives a flying **** about Grunfeld right now, who says he'll even be back. Save it for the offseason and stop bumping this BS thread after every win, thats trolling. You could say what you gotta say in the GT and move on, no your still trying to prove your point in this thread give it a rest and enjoy the win. It was a helluva game leave it at that we know you love your Monumental comrades its cool we've been in this same thread arguing for months please just give it a rest. Were seeing our kids in the backcourt become men right now.
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Post#752 » by milellie111 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:42 am

MikeTheKid wrote:
milellie111 wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:Why do you bump your threads after every win yet dont contribute to anything else, this didn't prove doubters wrong, the players won that game. Please go away it was a great comeback win pls dont troll tonight


I have been posting in the game threads. I am not trolling. I am just as excited as you are. You obviously have a personal issue with Grunfeld if you can't accept the fact he deserves credit. The players won the game yes. But who brought these players in here genius?


Who gives a flying **** about Grunfeld right now, who says he'll even be back. Save it for the offseason and stop bumping this BS thread after every win, thats trolling. You could say what you gotta say in the GT and move on, no your still trying to prove your point in this thread give it a rest and enjoy the win. It was a helluva game leave it at that we know you love your Monumental comrades its cool we've been in this same thread arguing for months please just give it a rest. Were seeing our kids in the backcourt become men right now.


Grunfeld is getting extended. Its already a given.
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Post#753 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:45 am

milellie111 wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:
milellie111 wrote:
I have been posting in the game threads. I am not trolling. I am just as excited as you are. You obviously have a personal issue with Grunfeld if you can't accept the fact he deserves credit. The players won the game yes. But who brought these players in here genius?


Who gives a flying **** about Grunfeld right now, who says he'll even be back. Save it for the offseason and stop bumping this BS thread after every win, thats trolling. You could say what you gotta say in the GT and move on, no your still trying to prove your point in this thread give it a rest and enjoy the win. It was a helluva game leave it at that we know you love your Monumental comrades its cool we've been in this same thread arguing for months please just give it a rest. Were seeing our kids in the backcourt become men right now.


Grunfeld is getting extended. Its already a given.


How do you know??? Just say you work for Monumental already
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Post#754 » by montestewart » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:54 am

Hey you two, get a chat room!
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Post#755 » by TheBabyMaker » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:28 am

montestewart wrote:Hey you two, get a chat room!


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Post#756 » by The Fax » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:53 am

This playoff run is a good stepping stone for our next GM to build off of. EG is NOT that guy.
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Post#757 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:06 am

milellie111 wrote:
Right hands. Every GM will make bad moves at some point. Kupchak with the Lakers 2007 Luke Walton. Larry Bird with the Pacers Jeff Foster 2009. The almighty RC Buford with the Spurs Richard Jefferson 2010.


Please know your basketball before posting, Luke Walton was drafted in 2003 and won 2 rings, Jeff Foster in 1999 and actually was a late 1st and had a productive 13 year career. Jefferson was traded to the Spurs in 2009 and when he was traded he completely lost anything that involves bball skills
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Post#758 » by Silvie Lysandra » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:12 pm

Outside Wall turning into Chris Paul, Beal turning into Ray Allen, and Porter turning into Paul George with a mid-range game, what is our path to long-term title contention? For all the Grunfeld supporters.

The delusional in the Wizards fanbase consistently ignores glaring problems with the team in favor of magical optimism fairies that assume things just work out for us if we hope and believe hard enough. It's been like this since I joined the board.
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Post#759 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:47 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:
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MikeTheKid wrote:Why do you bump your threads after every win yet dont contribute to anything else, this didn't prove doubters wrong, the players won that game. Please go away it was a great comeback win pls dont troll tonight


I have been posting in the game threads. I am not trolling. I am just as excited as you are. You obviously have a personal issue with Grunfeld if you can't accept the fact he deserves credit. The players won the game yes. But who brought these players in here genius?


Who gives a flying **** about Grunfeld right now, who says he'll even be back. Save it for the offseason and stop bumping this BS thread after every win, thats trolling. You could say what you gotta say in the GT and move on, no your still trying to prove your point in this thread give it a rest and enjoy the win. It was a helluva game leave it at that we know you love your Monumental comrades its cool we've been in this same thread arguing for months please just give it a rest. Were seeing our kids in the backcourt become men right now.


I was for letting this thread go until after they win the series if they do but since that didn't happen.

Question.

Would you be posting in the Count down to EG getting Fired thread if they were 0-2 ?
Would you also be posting in the Ted sucks ?

If things flip and they lose the next two games, will you be coming out with both barrels flaming this thread and posting in those other two as well ?
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Post#760 » by montestewart » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:03 pm

hands11 wrote:I was for letting this thread go until after they win the series if they do but since that didn't happen.


You are correct. That didn't happen.

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