Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Chuck-Cheese]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

If Cousins is made available I would have to think teams would be offering quite a bit more than a package centered around Beal. What makes you think the Kings would accept Beal as the centrpeice?

[gambitx777]

If we traded Beal for Cousins, that would require a whole series of follow-up moves to balance the roster. Yes, Gortat for Chandler plus Barton would make sense in that scenario.

Why do you and a lot of people want to move gortat over mahinmi? I see gortat as the better player, and hes on a better contract. Why not keep gortat and tell him look we want to win you are coming off the bench. play hard and lets go win games.

Gortat has more trade value because he's got a cheaper contract. I don't think Denver would trade Chandler and Barton for Mahinmi. (Indeed, I don't think Denver trades for a big man at all because they have two of them in Jokic and Nurkic.)

Also, I think, chemistry-wise, it would be hard for Gortat to adapt to a bench role. It would also be redundant because Gortat, like Cousins, is a more offensive minded player. I think Mahinmi is a better complement to Cousins because he brings something to the table that Cousins cannot (defense).

Well Thats why they would trade for gortat or mahinmi, because they have two young bigs and thats about it. Ones more of a PF BTW . they could use a vet center off the bench. Plus Chandler and Barton are expendable because they have so many good young wing players.

[gambitx777]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

If Cousins is made available I would have to think teams would be offering quite a bit more than a package centered around Beal. What makes you think the Kings would accept Beal as the centrpeice?

Well, a lot of teams are not going to trade for him when it is a sure bet that he is going to leave in free agency and they could score him for nothing. He has a bad attitude and he has to have people on the team that can handle him. A lot of teams are not going to make big offers because he is too much trouble.

[montestewart]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

If Cousins is made available I would have to think teams would be offering quite a bit more than a package centered around Beal. What makes you think the Kings would accept Beal as the centrpeice?

Maybe the Kings wouldn't accept it, or even think of accepting it, but when you look at the history of teams trading big name players, they usually did not get big names in return. When Barkley was traded to Phoenix, the centerpiece of the return was Jeff Hornacek, with Garnett to Boston, it was a raw Al Jefferson, with Iverson to the Nuggets, it was Andre Miller. Shaq to the Heat, it was Lamar Odom. It's hard to argue that Cousins has made a name equal to any of those players.

Cousins and the Kings don't seem to mix, and GMs around the league have to wonder whether that is a problem that will travel with Cousins wherever he goes, and they'd also wonder why they should pay top dollar to a team that may have no choice but to trade Cousins. If Beal can show that his last few games are not a fluke, maybe he represents the kind of value the Kings should expect as a centerpiece, coupled with other players and picks.

[dangermouse]

Beal + a first rounder could well be one of the better offers that they get. Cousins has 2 years left on his deal, so teams may not be as willing to part with anyone as good as beal PLUS a 1st for what could be a 1.5 season rental. Whereas, the Wizards could be more confident in re-signing him due to his connection with Wall.

If Beal keeps playing the way he did against the Suns then the deal almost looks bad for us...

[Illmatic12]

Lets say a Cousins for Beal deal goes through...

We'd likely be ringing teams shopping Gortat. What about Gortat + filler for Portland's Allen Crabbe?

I feel like he is definitely far more overpaid than Beal is, but as a catch and shoot guy next to Wall with Cousins in the middle, he could fill in that gap that Beal leaves.

If Cousins is made available I would have to think teams would be offering quite a bit more than a package centered around Beal. What makes you think the Kings would accept Beal as the centrpeice?

You may be thinking about it the wrong way around. How many teams are going to give up a better longterm centerpiece than Beal, knowing that they're only guaranteed 1.5 years of Cousins and he may walk in 2018 FA?

A rebuilding team isn't gonna risk trading a young core piece for Boogie. The Kings sure as hell won't be able to trade Cousins and get back Andrew Wiggins, Ben Simmons or anyone like that.. if that's what they think then they are dreaming and reality will set in soon.


An expiring Melo was traded for Gallinari + Wilson Chandler + etc. An expiring Deron Williams was traded for Favors + Devin Harris + etc. Cousins, a guy with an injury/attitude history and only 1.5 guaranteed years left, is not going to fetch much more than those players did. Beal + ___ is right along the lines of what you would expect as a return for DMC.


Trading for Cousins does carry the risk of him leaving in 2018. But the Wizards would be banking on Boogie's connection with Wall to keep him around (and John's FA isn't until 2019). If you're Washington, you can almost assume less risk than other teams would in that situation.

[gambitx777]

Beal + a first rounder could well be one of the better offers that they get. Cousins has 2 years left on his deal, so teams may not be as willing to part with anyone as good as beal PLUS a 1st for what could be a 1.5 season rental. Whereas, the Wizards could be more confident in re-signing him due to his connection with Wall.

If Beal keeps playing the way he did against the Suns then the deal almost looks bad for us...

and since we know better , we know beal is glass and moving him high is smart!

[Meliorus]

Anderson expected to be in a Wizards uniform, multiple league sources confirmed at the time. He'd even told John Wall via text that he believed that he was headed to D.C. But president Ernie Grunfeld never called back after an initial conversation in free agency and wasn't willing to go that high to acquire his services.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2016/11/25/13742990/ryan-anderson-nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-2016

Would have fixed the Wizard's 27th worst 3PM.

[nate33]

Anderson expected to be in a Wizards uniform, multiple league sources confirmed at the time. He'd even told John Wall via text that he believed that he was headed to D.C. But president Ernie Grunfeld never called back after an initial conversation in free agency and wasn't willing to go that high to acquire his services.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2016/11/25/13742990/ryan-anderson-nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-2016

Would have fixed the Wizard's 27th worst 3PM.

I'm not broken hearted about missing out on Ryan Anderson at $20M a year for 4 years. Markieff Morris has been better so far this year.

I'd rather have Mahinmi for less money. (I don't really love the Mahinmi signing either, but it's better than Anderson for $80M.)

[gambitx777]

I mean if getting andersen meant we never signed smith.... then maybe it would be worth it? But we might have still had smith and we would still be ****.

[pcbothwel]

With the way Wall, Beal, and Otto are playing I see no reason to make any drastic trade. The only thing they could do would be to consolidate their bench (Nicholson, Smith, Burke) into a long-term/bad contract from a team looking to get cap space next year or get under the Luxury tax.

Players that come to mind are Wes Matthews, Brandon Knight, Crabbe, Evan Turner, Deng, Kanter, and Noah. Turner and Noah are TERRIBLE contracts that I want no part of, so scratch that. Crabbe is still young, just resigned, they have no cap space hopes and their owner doesn’t care about Lux tax. So he’s probably out. Leaves us with Matthews, Knight, Deng, and Kanter

Matthews: The best match of the bunch. He is a perfect fit culturally and as a 3&D off the bench. The Mavs need to rebuild and saving them 2M immediately and 6M next year is a good start. Though, if he shows to be productive by 12/15 (When we can trade recently signed FA's) then they may get much better offers

Knight: Cheapest of the 4 and youngest along with Kanter. Would seemingly fit well as a UK alum with Wall and next to Sato off the Bench, But… He has never really been good and has been bad the last two years. A strong argument could be mad that Trey Burke has been just as good (Or Bad) the last two and a half years, is the same age, plays the same position, and had the same draft pedigree… Vote no

Deng: He has been really bad at shooting long 2’s and his defense looks a little off, but everything else looks to be in line with his career averages. He could play a legit stretch 4/wing backup to Otto/Morris. But man, Deng is the oldest of the four (31), has played about 32k minutes, and that contract is long and expensive. I prefer Matthews and Kanter.

Kanter: Same contract as Matthews, 24 y/o, and doesn’t need the ball in his hand to contribute offensively. Problem is, He would be a poor fit right now with Gortat and Mahinmi and I don’t see a point in essentially trading Gortat for Kanter

[BealsLegs]

Instead of trying to get irsan id rather just trade another future 2nd for cassipi or mirza, i think even with ben simmons coming back the sixers will keep irsan in the fold because they need front court shooting and versatility around a non-shooting ball handling 4 like simmons

[dangermouse]

Having a shooter like Casspi off the bench would be a fantastic addition.

Work it into a Cousins trade since they have the same agent, put the pressure on, Ernie! (haha i kid, i kid, i know he wont).

[gambitx777]

You know what would make some stupid sense for the sizers to do. They need a defencive center to back up okafur, Mahinmi makes sense, they need vets on that team of young bigs too.
So Mahinmi for noel/one of Henderson or illiasolva/ and one of or a combination (depending on if we get henderson or solva) of saric/holmes/covington/thompson/stouskous. Maybe we toss a pick of some sorts in but this deal could make some sense for every one involved.

[deneem4]

What do you guys think who says no???
I think a 1st and gortat is worth 3 young bigs

To kings 29mil
Aminu 7.5
Crabbe 22
Wizards 2017 1st unprotected pick

From kings 25mil
Gay 14
Wcs 4
Cassipi 3
McLemore 4

Why kings??
Aminu= a 3&D forward
Crabbe= a developing gooda a shooting guard
2017 pick = jus cause they don't get 1

??...2017 pick, gamble on crabbe and Aminu playing to their norm they have a much better lineup around cousins


To portland 36 mil
Kanter 20
gortat 12
Mclemore 4

From portland 38mil
Crabbe 19
Leonard 9
Vonleh 3
Aminu 7.5

Why portland??
Kanter= minn Kevin love lite
Gortat= top 10 center

??..Get gortat as starting center
Kanter can become their extra scorer when the guards aren't playing well...mclemore can become another athletic wing


To okc 20mil
Gay 14
Nicholson 6

From okc 17mil
Kanter 17

Why okc??
Gay= kanter
??..How else would they get gay

To wizards 19mil
Wcs 4
Vonleh 3
Leonard 9
Cassipi 3

From wizards 18mil
Gortat 12
Nicholson 6
Unprotected 2017 1st

Why wizards??
Wcs = athletic young big
Vonleh= project two way big
Leonard= stretch 5
Cassipi= stretch 4

?? ..Gets John wall some real shooting bigs, young and potential in their prospective abilities ..also gets rid of fake stretch 4 nicholson

[payitforward]

deneem -- you put a lot of thought into that. Two problems that, for me at least, kind of kill it. First is that Vonleh has been terrible from the get go and shows no signs of improvement this year. Second is that our R1 pick will be a very high one, likely one of the top 5-7.

[gambitx777]

What do you guys think who says no???
I think a 1st and gortat is worth 3 young bigs

To kings 29mil
Aminu 7.5
Crabbe 22
Wizards 2017 1st unprotected pick

From kings 25mil
Gay 14
Wcs 4
Cassipi 3
McLemore 4

Why kings??
Aminu= a 3&D forward
Crabbe= a developing gooda a shooting guard
2017 pick = jus cause they don't get 1

??...2017 pick, gamble on crabbe and Aminu playing to their norm they have a much better lineup around cousins


To portland 36 mil
Kanter 20
gortat 12
Mclemore 4

From portland 38mil
Crabbe 19
Leonard 9
Vonleh 3
Aminu 7.5

Why portland??
Kanter= minn Kevin love lite
Gortat= top 10 center

??..Get gortat as starting center
Kanter can become their extra scorer when the guards aren't playing well...mclemore can become another athletic wing


To okc 20mil
Gay 14
Nicholson 6

From okc 17mil
Kanter 17

Why okc??
Gay= kanter
??..How else would they get gay

To wizards 19mil
Wcs 4
Vonleh 3
Leonard 9
Cassipi 3

From wizards 18mil
Gortat 12
Nicholson 6
Unprotected 2017 1st

Why wizards??
Wcs = athletic young big
Vonleh= project two way big
Leonard= stretch 5
Cassipi= stretch 4

?? ..Gets John wall some real shooting bigs, young and potential in their prospective abilities ..also gets rid of fake stretch 4 nicholson

I don't hate that trade but you might as well trade out mahinmi for some wing depth at that point.

[nate33]

I like the idea of going after WCS, but he has been awful so far this year so I'd be looking to buy low. I'm not thrilled about trading a potential top 8 pick for him. I don't really have any comments on the rest of the trade because it's so complicated and I don't know if all those other teams would go for it. But, the general premise is fine. If we acquire WCS, we should trade Gortat for young-ish depth.

[payitforward]

I like the idea of going after WCS, but he has been awful so far this year so I'd be looking to buy low. ...

Whereas Garrett Temple has been terrific. Another fine GM move....

[Dark Faze]

I do find it funny how long we kept Temple while he was trash and the second he looks to make the leap we let him go lol