Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Pointgod]

I'm saying it's laughable for Canada to consider themselves some sort of model for governing under multiculturalism when their multiculturalism is a collection of mostly successful and prosperous ethnicities. The ethnic minorities in Canada are mostly Indians, Chinese and Filipinos, whose diaspora seem to do well everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed. America has to deal with much larger percentages of ethnic groups who have not experienced much success anywhere in the world. Indeed, blacks in America are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world, and Mestizos in America are better off than Mestizos anywhere else in the world.

Of course, that won't stop the complaining.

Poppers screed that he posted doesn’t differentiate between types of multiculturalism. It boils down to all multiculturalism is bad. So you can’t pick and choose what suits your argument. Did letting Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants into the country destroy America? Was American culture destroyed when Jews were let in post holocaust? How about when Chinese immigrants were accepted, did this destroy the culture? I bring these up because throughout American history there has always been an argument against immigrants. What you’re bringing up is a tired old argument that’s been rebutted throughout American history.

[Pointgod]

Timeless wisdom from an accomplished progressive:

I HAVE A PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA
RICHARD D. LAMM

I HAVE A SECRET PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA. IF YOU BELIEVE, AS MANY DO, THAT AMERICA IS TOO SMUG, TOO WHITE BREAD, TOO SELF-SATISFIED, TOO RICH, LETS DESTROY AMERICA. IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO DO. HISTORY SHOWS THAT NATIONS ARE MORE FRAGILE THAN THEIR CITIZENS THINK. NO NATION IN HISTORY HAS SURVIVED THE RAVAGES OF TIME. ARNOLD TOYNBEE OBSERVED THAT ALL GREAT CIVILIZATIONS RISE AND THEY ALL FALL, AND THAT “AN AUTOPSY OF HISTORY WOULD SHOW THAT ALL GREAT NATIONS COMMIT SUICIDE.” HERE IS MY PLAN:

I. WE MUST FIRST MAKE AMERICA A BILINGUAL-BICULTURAL COUNTRY. HISTORY SHOWS, IN MY OPINION, THAT NO NATION CAN SURVIVE THE TENSION, CONFLICT, AND ANTAGONISM OF TWO COMPETING LANGUAGES AND CULTURES. IT IS A BLESSING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE BILINGUAL; IT IS A CURSE FOR A SOCIETY TO BE BILINGUAL. ONE SCHOLAR, SEYMOUR MARTIN LIPSET, PUT IT THIS WAY:

THE HISTORIES OF BILINGUAL AND BICULTURAL SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT ASSIMILATE ARE HISTORIES OF TURMOIL, TENSION, AND TRAGEDY……..

II. I WOULD THEN INVENT “MULTICULTURALISM” AND ENCOURAGE IMMIGRANTS TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN CULTURE. I WOULD MAKE IT AN ARTICLE OF BELIEF THAT ALL CULTURES ARE EQUAL: THAT THERE ARE NO CULTURAL DIFFERENCES THAT ARE IMPORTANT. I WOULD DECLARE IT AN ARTICLE OF FAITH THAT THE BLACK AND HISPANIC DROPOUT RATE IS ONLY DUE TO PREJUDICE AND DISCRIMINATION BY THE MAJORITY. EVERY OTHER EXPLANATION IS OUT-OF-BOUNDS.

III. WE CAN MAKE THE UNITED STATES A “HISPANIC QUEBEC” WITHOUT MUCH EFFORT. THE KEY IS TO CELEBRATE DIVERSITY RATHER THAN UNITY. AS BENJAMIN SCHWARZ SAID IN THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY RECENTLY:

…THE APPARENT SUCCESS OF OUR OWN MULTIETHNIC AND MULTICULTURAL EXPERIMENT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED NOT BY TOLERANCE BUT BY HEGEMONY. WITHOUT THE DOMINANCE THAT ONCE DICTATED ETHNOCENTRICALLY, AND WHAT IT MEANT TO BE AN AMERICAN, WE ARE LEFT WITH ONLY TOLERANCE AND PLURALISM TO HOLD US TOGETHER.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL IMMIGRANTS TO KEEP THEIR OWN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE. I WOULD REPLACE THE MELTING POT METAPHOR WITH A SALAD BOWL METAPHOR. IT IS IMPORTANT TO INSURE THAT WE HAVE VARIOUS CULTURAL SUB-GROUPS LIVING IN AMERICA REINFORCING THEIR DIFFERENCES RATHER THAN AMERICANS, EMPHASIZING THEIR SIMILARITIES.

IV. HAVING DONE ALL THIS, I WOULD MAKE OUR FASTEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP THE LEAST EDUCATED – I WOULD ADD A SECOND UNDERCLASS, UNASSIMILATED, UNDEREDUCATED, AND ANTAGONISTIC TO OUR POPULATION. I WOULD HAVE THIS SECOND UNDERCLASS HAVE A 50% DROP OUT RATE FROM SCHOOL.

V. I WOULD THEN GET THE BIG FOUNDATIONS AND BIG BUSINESS TO GIVE THESE EFFORTS LOTS OF MONEY. I WOULD INVEST IN ETHNIC IDENTITY, AND I WOULD ESTABLISH THE CULT OF VICTIMOLOGY. I WOULD GET ALL MINORITIES TO THINK THEIR LACK OF SUCCESS WAS ALL THE FAULT OF THE MAJORITY – I WOULD START A GRIEVANCE INDUSTRY BLAMING ALL MINORITY FAILURE ON THE MAJORITY POPULATION.

VI. I WOULD ESTABLISH DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND PROMOTE DIVIDED LOYALTIES. I WOULD “CELEBRATE DIVERSITY.” “DIVERSITY” IS A WONDERFULLY SEDUCTIVE WORD. IT STRESSES DIFFERENCES RATHER THAN COMMONALITIES. DIVERSE PEOPLE WORLDWIDE ARE MOSTLY ENGAGED IN HATING EACH OTHER-THAT IS, WHEN THEY ARE NOT KILLING EACH OTHER. A DIVERSE,” PEACEFUL, OR STABLE SOCIETY IS AGAINST MOST HISTORICAL PRECEDENT. PEOPLE UNDERVALUE THE UNITY IT TAKES TO KEEP A NATION TOGETHER, AND WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS MYOPIA……

IF WE CAN PUT THE EMPHASIS ON THE “PLURIBUS,” INSTEAD OF THE “UNUM,” WE CAN BALKANIZE AMERICA AS SURELY AS KOSOVO.

VII. THEN I WOULD PLACE ALL THESE SUBJECTS OFF LIMITS – MAKE IT TABOO TO TALK ABOUT. I WOULD FIND A WORD SIMILAR TO “HERETIC” IN THE 16TH CENTURY – THAT STOPPED DISCUSSION AND PARALYZED THINKING. WORDS LIKE “RACIST”, “XENOPHOBE” THAT HALTS ARGUMENT AND CONVERSATION.

HAVING MADE AMERICA A BILINGUAL-BICULTURAL COUNTRY, HAVING ESTABLISHED MULTICULTURALISM, HAVING THE LARGE FOUNDATIONS FUND THE DOCTRINE OF “VICTIMOLOGY”, I WOULD NEXT MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. I WOULD DEVELOP A MANTRA – “THAT BECAUSE IMMIGRATION HAS BEEN GOOD FOR AMERICA, IT MUST ALWAYS BE GOOD.” I WOULD MAKE EVERY INDIVIDUAL IMMIGRANT SYMPATRIC AND IGNORE THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT.

VIII. …………………...

“THE SMART WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE PASSIVE AND OBEDIENT IS TO STRICTLY LIMIT THE SPECTRUM OF ACCEPTABLE OPINION, BUT ALLOW VERY LIVELY DEBATE WITHIN THAT SPECTRUM.” — NOAM CHOMSKY, AMERICAN LINGUIST AND US MEDIA AND FOREIGN POLICY CRITIC.

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Yeah I see that multicultural hellhole Canada sliding into oblivion. America is approximately 75% white what exactly is it that you're afraid of?

I'm not afraid Pointgod, but I'm one of the fortunate ones who's retired and have enough resources to live anywhere in the world I want. I think the progressive Democrat that gave the speech though was warning the country that we are on a path to national suicide if we don't change our ways. I thought the progressives on this thread might be more open to hearing this message from one of their own.

So tell me what exactly the destruction of America looks like to you in terms of multiculturalism. What does national suicide look like?

[popper]

Yeah I see that multicultural hellhole Canada sliding into oblivion. America is approximately 75% white what exactly is it that you're afraid of?

I'm not afraid Pointgod, but I'm one of the fortunate ones who's retired and have enough resources to live anywhere in the world I want. I think the progressive Democrat that gave the speech though was warning the country that we are on a path to national suicide if we don't change our ways. I thought the progressives on this thread might be more open to hearing this message from one of their own.

So tell me what exactly the destruction of America looks like to you in terms of multiculturalism. What does national suicide look like?

I'd want to reopen my history books to give you an answer worthy of your time. I can easily imagine that subgroups of Americans would continue to splinter, but in a accelerated fashion, and hatred toward one another would intensify. Probably increasing race against race violence as well. Levels of trust among subgroups would disintegrate and any healthy avenue for interracial understanding would be constricted. These animosities would no doubt have a deleterious effect on our economic system as well.
Again, the history books are a better place to find the answers to your question.

[DCZards]

You know how I know trump doesn’t get the message of MLK? Trump called every BLACK person he knew and asked them to be there to celebrate the MLK signing. If Trump got it, Trump would have rebuked his racist followers and had some white, Asians, Hispanics and other AMERICANS there highlighting what MLK faught for...equality and inclusion of everyone. MLK isnt a BLACK hero...he is an American hero/icon and you dont just roll out the negros for the photo opt while not taking on the good people in the alt right.

Well said...and a very good point. Why am I not surprised that Trump doesn't understand that diversity, inclusion and equality were the goals of MLK and the civil rights movement, not separatism.

[DCZards]

I'm saying it's laughable for Canada to consider themselves some sort of model for governing under multiculturalism when their multiculturalism is a collection of mostly successful and prosperous ethnicities. The ethnic minorities in Canada are mostly Indians, Chinese and Filipinos, whose diaspora seem to do well everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed. America has to deal with much larger percentages of ethnic groups who have not experienced much success anywhere in the world. Indeed, blacks in America are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world, and Mestizos in America are better off than Mestizos anywhere else in the world.

Of course, that won't stop the complaining.

There's some truth to this, and I'm blessed to be one of the "better off" blacks largely because my ancestors busted their butts to overcome the inequality and discrimination they faced day in and day out. I heard my forefathers' admonition "You have to be twice as good!" and embraced it.

And, who knows, if my ancestors had not been stolen from their homeland and their continent of origin pillaged and colonized by Europeans, maybe I would have been better off today living in Africa than I am here in America.

Bottom line though is that it's HELL being poor in America, a country whose economic and social system is notorious for creating haves and have nots. So let's not pat ourselves on the back for being "better off" when so many of our fellow countrymen (of all races and backgrounds) are suffering from our nation's tremendous inequities.

[dckingsfan]

I'm saying it's laughable for Canada to consider themselves some sort of model for governing under multiculturalism when their multiculturalism is a collection of mostly successful and prosperous ethnicities. The ethnic minorities in Canada are mostly Indians, Chinese and Filipinos, whose diaspora seem to do well everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed. America has to deal with much larger percentages of ethnic groups who have not experienced much success anywhere in the world. Indeed, blacks in America are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world, and Mestizos in America are better off than Mestizos anywhere else in the world.

Of course, that won't stop the complaining.

There's some truth to this, and I'm blessed to be one of the "better off" blacks largely because my ancestors busted their butts to overcome the inequality and discrimination they faced day in and day out. I heard my forefathers' admonition "You have to be twice as good!" and embraced it.

And, who knows, if my ancestors had not been stolen from their homeland and their continent of origin pillaged and colonized by Europeans, maybe I would have been better off today living in Africa than I am here in America.

Bottom line though is that it's HELL being poor in America, a country whose economic and social system is notorious for creating haves and have nots. So let's not pat ourselves on the back for being "better off" when so many of our fellow countrymen (of all races and backgrounds) are suffering from our nation's tremendous inequities.

Yep - crime is down and racist policies aren't as bad as they used to be but... there is still a huge gap from where we are today and where we really need to be. You have to give most of the credit to two individuals in our history, Lincoln and MLK. If you think about where we would be at without those

[CobraCommander]

I'm saying it's laughable for Canada to consider themselves some sort of model for governing under multiculturalism when their multiculturalism is a collection of mostly successful and prosperous ethnicities. The ethnic minorities in Canada are mostly Indians, Chinese and Filipinos, whose diaspora seem to do well everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed. America has to deal with much larger percentages of ethnic groups who have not experienced much success anywhere in the world. Indeed, blacks in America are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world, and Mestizos in America are better off than Mestizos anywhere else in the world.

Of course, that won't stop the complaining.

There's some truth to this, and I'm blessed to be one of the "better off" blacks largely because my ancestors busted their butts to overcome the inequality and discrimination they faced day in and day out. I heard my forefathers' admonition "You have to be twice as good!" and embraced it.

And, who knows, if my ancestors had not been stolen from their homeland and their continent of origin pillaged and colonized by Europeans, maybe I would have been better off today living in Africa than I am here in America.

Bottom line though is that it's HELL being poor in America, a country whose economic and social system is notorious for creating haves and have nots. So let's not pat ourselves on the back for being "better off" when so many of our fellow countrymen (of all races and backgrounds) are suffering from our nation's tremendous inequities.

I dont know if I agree with Blacks here are better off than anywhere else per say...unless you simply say people in America of average intelligence have more opportunity in America than anywhere else in the world. I have been all over the world and there are POOR PEOPLE EVERYWHERE...and its always broken down by education, family connection or special talent...and the majority of the poor people have less of one or all of those 3 things. A educated black man in any first world country has a chance to have a decent life. I uneducated black man is going to find it hard to make a lot of money anywhere on earth. My point is this....its HELL being Poor in America and it’s HELL being poor else where. Its safer to be poor here than in some places elsewhere because we dont have civil unrest and we have social programs to help people. I actually think things are getting better in the major cities every day for all minority groups because there are MORE good people that judge you by your skills than your skin as people intergrate more. I actually believe MLKs dream is coming to fruition...I think its just moving a glacial pace...

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its really weird to me the length people will go to make trump look bad. No matter the cost to the reputation of the united states of america. We now have 55 african countries demanding an apology.

(before I get to my point main point let me address this apology demand). Go phuck yourself to all 55 of them. And if Norway, sweden or anyone else wants an apology? phuck you too!!!!! literally 2 fingers up to anyone that thinks Trump owes anyone an apology.

let me be crystal clear here. This is a private meeting behind closed doors. What's next? Seriously what's next? How about we release photos of Barrack Obama taking a dump or masturbating to lesbian german porn? How about that? Barrack supposed to apologize for that?? I dont think so. No appology necessary. Same for Trump. No appology necessary. Nothing bad happened here besides and idiot senator (from my state no less) is playing he said she said with the president of the united states. Which should be a crime. Dick Durban should be censured and removed from office.

Let me repeat this for the 10th time in this thread. Barrack Obama Killed over 15,000 people with drone strikes. nearly all of them brown. and among them are an estimated 4000 women and children civilians. What about those brown people?? they are dead! their country and infrastructure decimated in many places. We can kill all those "innocent children and women" and thats OK???? Not a peep from main stream media??? But Trump calls another country and shxthole and this is somehow a major issue????

there really is no need for anyone to explain this hypocrisy. I fully understand that this is just american politics at its absolute worst. Where democrats just want more poor to emigrate here to vote for them. and they want to make trump look as bad as possible and are desperate because his policies are actually working.

Meanwhile, Stock market keeps rising. Up 40%!!!! since he took office. aside: My GF's mom is not wealthy. worked her whole life to put her 2 daughters through Northwestern. Her 401K is work 100K more today over 1 year ago. She needs that money to retire. GDP will likely hit 4% soon. Unemployment might go under 4% soon.

Things could not be going any better because trump is striking gold with every single policy change. Everything he does is working and he is just now barely getting his sea legs.

And instead all we keep getting from the left is an expose in how the sausage is being made. The sausage is good man!! Its good for us. and its working. Why cant we just let it be? And the sausage was made this way or worse since the beginning of time and in every single country. nearly every single country has some kind of nationalistic policy and THEY SHOULD! So should the United States. And the sausage Barrack Obama made was no cleaner. No better. and certainly not "nicer." Like i said. an estimated 4000 women and children civilians were killed by Obama ordered drone strikes. I think all 4000 would much preferred to be called a name. Even funnier, their country called a name. not even the people personally.

this fauxrage is just ridiculous at this point. The entire reason we are getting so much expose on how the sausage is made is because the washington DC elite insiders do not want outsiders in washington. And I'm convinced its because they dont want to fix things. They want inefficiency. they want grid lock. they want to make decisions that benefit their wealthy donors/sponsors that increase the tax burden on the every day american.

No president has ever faced anything like this. Ever. And yet he is governing. and improving the economy for all americans and the poor, working poor, and middle class are benefitting the most through year 1. by far. America is safe. And we are negotiating better deals for the american worker.

I just dont understand how the left is so blind to the fact that they are attempting derail a president that is doing good things for all americans. ALL.OF.US.

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Don't understand why these African nations care what that dotard has to say. Trump's views are not America's views.

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its really weird to me the length people will go to make trump look bad. No matter the cost to the reputation of the united states of america. We now have 55 african countries demanding an apology.

(before I get to my point main point let me address this apology demand). Go phuck yourself to all 55 of them. And if Norway, sweden or anyone else wants an apology? phuck you too!!!!! literally 2 fingers up to anyone that thinks Trump owes anyone an apology.

let me be crystal clear here. This is a private meeting behind closed doors. What's next? Seriously what's next? How about we release photos of Barrack Obama taking a dump or masturbating to lesbian german porn? How about that? Barrack supposed to apologize for that?? I dont think so. No appology necessary. Same for Trump. No appology necessary. Nothing bad happened here besides and idiot senator (from my state no less) is playing he said she said with the president of the united states. Which should be a crime. Dick Durban should be censured and removed from office.

Let me repeat this for the 10th time in this thread. Barrack Obama Killed over 15,000 people with drone strikes. nearly all of them brown. and among them are an estimated 4000 women and children civilians. What about those brown people?? they are dead! their country and infrastructure decimated in many places. We can kill all those "innocent children and women" and thats OK???? Not a peep from main stream media??? But Trump calls another country and shxthole and this is somehow a major issue????

there really is no need for anyone to explain this hypocrisy. I fully understand that this is just american politics at its absolute worst. Where democrats just want more poor to emigrate here to vote for them. and they want to make trump look as bad as possible and are desperate because his policies are actually working.

Meanwhile, Stock market keeps rising. Up 40%!!!! since he took office. aside: My GF's mom is not wealthy. worked her whole life to put her 2 daughters through Northwestern. Her 401K is work 100K more today over 1 year ago. She needs that money to retire. GDP will likely hit 4% soon. Unemployment might go under 4% soon.

Things could not be going any better because trump is striking gold with every single policy change. Everything he does is working and he is just now barely getting his sea legs.

And instead all we keep getting from the left is an expose in how the sausage is being made. The sausage is good man!! Its good for us. and its working. Why cant we just let it be? And the sausage was made this way or worse since the beginning of time and in every single country. nearly every single country has some kind of nationalistic policy and THEY SHOULD! So should the United States. And the sausage Barrack Obama made was no cleaner. No better. and certainly not "nicer." Like i said. an estimated 4000 women and children civilians were killed by Obama ordered drone strikes. I think all 4000 would much preferred to be called a name. Even funnier, their country called a name. not even the people personally.

this fauxrage is just ridiculous at this point. The entire reason we are getting so much expose on how the sausage is made is because the washington DC elite insiders do not want outsiders in washington. And I'm convinced its because they dont want to fix things. They want inefficiency. they want grid lock. they want to make decisions that benefit their wealthy donors/sponsors that increase the tax burden on the every day american.

No president has ever faced anything like this. Ever. And yet he is governing. and improving the economy for all americans and the poor, working poor, and middle class are benefitting the most through year 1. by far. America is safe. And we are negotiating better deals for the american worker.

I just dont understand how the left is so blind to the fact that they are attempting derail a president that is doing good things for all americans. ALL.OF.US.

Money over morals...sounds about right for most trump followers. Plus nothing you have posted is even close to right from a factual perspective. You do know that most of those great European countries are socialist? But your great leader touts them being great countries but you leave out that they take care of their sick and poor...hmmm ohhhh you only remember that they have blondes there...got it. That’s so American? Naw man... you living in the past. BTW...I’m not a bush or Obama apologist...but trump is the worse leader...forget president. Oh and btw...most of trumps voters cant afford to reap the benefit of the stock market that is up! So they just yell the market is UP...while their factories send jobs to mexico...and the liberals in the big cities with education reap the benefits...You really are fooled man.... a NYC republican is playing you bro...billionaire helps upper middle class and the extremely wealthy leave the rest of the country behind...while playing the distraction card...

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Don't understand why these African nations care what that dotard has to say. Trump's views are not America's views.

It is sadly some faction of the country that shares these views.

More importantly to these countries, dotard(if it hasn't been sold to lobbyists) is the one with authority over the state department.

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its really weird to me the length people will go to make trump look bad. No matter the cost to the reputation of the united states of america. We now have 55 african countries demanding an apology.

(before I get to my point main point let me address this apology demand). Go phuck yourself to all 55 of them. And if Norway, sweden or anyone else wants an apology? phuck you too!!!!! literally 2 fingers up to anyone that thinks Trump owes anyone an apology.

let me be crystal clear here. This is a private meeting behind closed doors. What's next? Seriously what's next? How about we release photos of Barrack Obama taking a dump or masturbating to lesbian german porn? How about that? Barrack supposed to apologize for that?? I dont think so. No appology necessary. Same for Trump. No appology necessary. Nothing bad happened here besides and idiot senator (from my state no less) is playing he said she said with the president of the united states. Which should be a crime. Dick Durban should be censured and removed from office.

Let me repeat this for the 10th time in this thread. Barrack Obama Killed over 15,000 people with drone strikes. nearly all of them brown. and among them are an estimated 4000 women and children civilians. What about those brown people?? they are dead! their country and infrastructure decimated in many places. We can kill all those "innocent children and women" and thats OK???? Not a peep from main stream media??? But Trump calls another country and shxthole and this is somehow a major issue

Go back and read carefully what he said.
It's not that Trump just said those countries were ***holes. He implied that there was something wrong with the people from those countries.

If you combine these latest comments with what he "allegedly" said a few weeks about about Haitians and Nigerians there's a pattern forming. And it's not good.

Let me refresh your memory:

According to six officials who attended or were briefed about the meeting, Mr. Trump then began reading aloud from the document, which his domestic policy adviser, Stephen Miller, had given him just before the meeting. The document listed how many immigrants had received visas to enter the United States in 2017.

More than 2,500 were from Afghanistan, a terrorist haven, the president complained.

Haiti had sent 15,000 people. They “all have AIDS,” he grumbled

Forty thousand had come from Nigeria, Mr. Trump added. Once they had seen the United States, they would never “go back to their huts” in Africa, recalled the two officials, who asked for anonymity to discuss a sensitive conversation in the Oval Office.

Assuming he actually made those comments above you don't see how someone could interpret them (and the most recent ones as a tad bit racist?

Look at it like this:

Even before he was elected some people were concerned that Trump had racist tendencies.

I mean we all know white supremacists were supporters of his. Ask yourself why that was the case.

His advisors are/have been people like Steve Bannon/Stephen Miller/Sebastian Gorka, Michael Anton etc.

All white nationalists. Ok. I'm sorry. They claim to be "Nationalists".

And last but not least he chose Jeff Sessions as his AG.

It's no secret who and WHAT Jeff Sessions is...yet Trump CHOSE him as his AG.


Trump has repeatedly shown at the very least he has some "biases".

And when someone shows you who they are, you should believe them.

And I DO.

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let me be crystal clear here.

let me make one thing perfectly clear.

let me be clear.

hmmm

[DCZards]

its really weird to me the length people will go to make trump look bad. No matter the cost to the reputation of the united states of america. We now have 55 african countries demanding an apology.

No need for people to go to any length to make Trump look bad. #45 does a good job of doing that himself. Trump's words and actions both as a candidate and as president have done far more harm to the country's reputation than anything that people might say about him.

Meanwhile, Stock market keeps rising. Up 40%!!!! since he took office. aside: My GF's mom is not wealthy. worked her whole life to put her 2 daughters through Northwestern. Her 401K is work 100K more today over 1 year ago. She needs that money to retire. GDP will likely hit 4% soon. Unemployment might go under 4% soon.

Things could not be going any better because trump is striking gold with every single policy change. Everything he does is working and he is just now barely getting his sea legs.

A Gallup poll last week showed that 49% of those surveyed give Obama credit for our current economy compared to 40% for Trump. So it's clear that the American people aren't drinking the Kool-Aid Trump and you are selling regarding what Trump has accomplished on behalf of our economy.

[Pointgod]

I'm not afraid Pointgod, but I'm one of the fortunate ones who's retired and have enough resources to live anywhere in the world I want. I think the progressive Democrat that gave the speech though was warning the country that we are on a path to national suicide if we don't change our ways. I thought the progressives on this thread might be more open to hearing this message from one of their own.

So tell me what exactly the destruction of America looks like to you in terms of multiculturalism. What does national suicide look like?

I'd want to reopen my history books to give you an answer worthy of your time. I can easily imagine that subgroups of Americans would continue to splinter, but in a accelerated fashion, and hatred toward one another would intensify. Probably increasing race against race violence as well. Levels of trust among subgroups would disintegrate and any healthy avenue for interracial understanding would be constricted. These animosities would no doubt have a deleterious effect on our economic system as well.
Again, the history books are a better place to find the answers to your question.

I’m not an expert on American history, but racial violence was a reality for black people in America since the end of slavery. This never spilled out into a race war and black people never started insurgent groups or retaliated in kind to the treatment they had received. They fought for civil rights through peaceful means. The 60’s were a time of significant civil unrest in the name of civil rights and also there were a ton of assissinations thrown in there as well. My point is that America has been through a lot, yet it’s never slipped into the type of chaos you believe comes with multiculturalism. Are you basing your beliefs on sources or personal experience?

[Pointgod]

I'm saying it's laughable for Canada to consider themselves some sort of model for governing under multiculturalism when their multiculturalism is a collection of mostly successful and prosperous ethnicities. The ethnic minorities in Canada are mostly Indians, Chinese and Filipinos, whose diaspora seem to do well everywhere. I'm not particularly impressed. America has to deal with much larger percentages of ethnic groups who have not experienced much success anywhere in the world. Indeed, blacks in America are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world, and Mestizos in America are better off than Mestizos anywhere else in the world.

Of course, that won't stop the complaining.

There's some truth to this, and I'm blessed to be one of the "better off" blacks largely because my ancestors busted their butts to overcome the inequality and discrimination they faced day in and day out. I heard my forefathers' admonition "You have to be twice as good!" and embraced it.

And, who knows, if my ancestors had not been stolen from their homeland and their continent of origin pillaged and colonized by Europeans, maybe I would have been better off today living in Africa than I am here in America.

Bottom line though is that it's HELL being poor in America, a country whose economic and social system is notorious for creating haves and have nots. So let's not pat ourselves on the back for being "better off" when so many of our fellow countrymen (of all races and backgrounds) are suffering from our nation's tremendous inequities.

The thing that the vast majority of people get wrong about Africa is that the reason it’s underdeveloped is precisely because it’s been exploited by Europe and Western powers. Read any history book and ask any historian how colonization completely **** up the continent. So the same reason that blacks people are disenfranchised in the US has its roots in the reason that Africa as a whole is underdeveloped.

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Don't understand why these African nations care what that dotard has to say. Trump's views are not America's views.

Trump is the leader of America so to the rest of the world he’s a presentative of America. So if Americans didn’t want to be represented this way they should have done more to prevent Trump from becoming President. It’s basically a you bought it, you buy it situation.

[dckingsfan]

It makes you wonder what he would say if he was here. I think if he was here, he'd have probably figured out a way to gather some people together, and make a stand so this doesn't keep happening. But at this point, it's all about leadership and trying to bring people together. And we just don't have a lot of that right now. Nobody was better at that than he was. He knew how to protest peacefully, but he also knew how to bring people together and get things done. We don't seem to have that right now. So we've just gotta keep dealing.

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