Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

Kanyewest · Post #741 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat May 9, 2020 3:44 pm

Barrack Obama

“It would have been bad even with the best of governments. It has been an absolute chaotic disaster when that mindset, of 'what's in it for me' and 'to heck with everybody else,' when that mindset is operationalized in our government.”

https://www.newsweek.com/obama-trump-flynn-biden-1502905

Post #742 » by **Zonkerbl** » Sat May 9, 2020 4:01 pm

pancakes3 wrote:some people are fully justified in believing that, and choose to not engage in this thread, asserting convincing, well-articulated arguments to that effect because libs are mean. and dumb.

Trump supporters absolutely should be appalled and ashamed that this is the monster representing them. You have to conclude that people who support him are monsters also. I hope when they die and face judgement over their life decisions they are held to account. There is no defending any of this.

The only comfort I get is that a majority of Republicans are in fact practicing social distancing despite what the snake oil salesman in chief says. But they still support him. So they don't care that he hates them and wants them to die for capitalism, they just like the racism and hatred of democrats so much they're willing to sacrifice their lives, and the lives of their family and friends, just to stick it to those darn brown skinned people.

If this is true, America is truly an evil place and deserves all the hatred the terrorists have for us.

If you don't consider yourself an evil person who deserves to be murdered by terrorists, consider not voting for trump in November. I have a feeling its already too late and we've stumbled over the precipice already. The elections in November are the little tree branch sticking out of the cliffside that we grab for in desperation as we plummet by.

dckingsfan · Post #743 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat May 9, 2020 6:31 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Trump supporters absolutely should be appalled and ashamed that this is the monster representing them...

I will be more forgiving (doesn't mean anyone else should be) if they dump him in November. Maybe they can't say it out loud but when they go to the booth they can choose someone else.

This pathetic excuse for a federal response is fully on Trump starting with the "it's a hoax" and then moving forward.

Anyone should now be able to see that he caused death, dealt a blow to our national treasury and dealt a huge blow to the economy.

dobrojim · Post #744 » by **dobrojim** » Sat May 9, 2020 11:41 pm

I think the strongest indictment (IDK, after the treasonous outreach to Russia/SA and all the rest)
is that our great country with all the many resources, medical, human, financial, technical
etc, that a strong argument can be made that no country has done a worse job in response
to COVID19.

pancakes3 · Post #745 » by **pancakes3** » Sun May 10, 2020 6:46 pm

there may be a defensible benefit of the doubt to be afforded to excuse trump supporters at one point but at this stage, nah. zonk's right. they've lived up to the deplorable label and more.

Pointgod · Post #746 » by **Pointgod** » Sun May 10, 2020 7:53 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Maybe - but damn, would you want to be a mod on that board - what a tough frik'in job...

A lot of the problems with that forum could be fixed by banning Trump supporters and having zero tolerance **** posting trolls.

I don't mind Trump supporters posting per se.

I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around all the lying taking place.

We're not talking about opinions. These guys will dispute genuine facts.

And therein lies the problem with tolerating Trump supporters on any forum. You can’t support Trump and still acknowledge facts or reality. It takes an insane amount of lying, gaslighting and misinformation to continue to be a Trump supporter if you’re not a complete sociopath. And because so many previous Conservatives/religious folks support their team over their previously established beliefs, their hypocrisy is glaringly obvious and they have to resort to whataboutism which at the end of the day cannot contribute to any type of political or civil discourse.

FAH1223 · Post #747 » by **FAH1223** » Sun May 10, 2020 10:50 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #748 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:42 am

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Wizardspride · Post #749 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:02 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #750 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:46 pm

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bsilver · Post #751 » by **bsilver** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:01 pm

Remdesivir is the hydroxychloroquine of the day. In a few months it will just be a footnote to this disaster. It's barely effective if at all.

What I don't understand is the arithmetic that led to the conclusion that it will be of use. The study came up with the conclusion that was remdesivir was effective in reducing the median hospital stay, or time needed on oxygen, from 15 days to 11. Then the study went on to say the death rate was 8% with remdesivir vs 11.6% with a placebo, but the result was not statistcally significant.

So the improvement in hospital stay was 27.3% and the improvement in death rate was 32%. Why was the smaller improvement more significant?

dckingsfan · Post #752 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon May 11, 2020 2:34 pm

bsilver wrote:Remdesivir is the hydroxychloroquine of the day. In a few months it will just be a footnote to this disaster. It's barely effective if at all.

What I don't understand is the arithmetic that led to the conclusion that it will be of use. The study came up with the conclusion that was remdesivir was effective in reducing the median hospital stay, or time needed on oxygen, from 15 days to 11. Then the study went on to say the death rate was 8% with remdesivir vs 11.6% with a placebo, but the result was not statistcally significant.

So the improvement in hospital stay was 27.3% and the improvement in death rate was 32%. Why was the smaller improvement more significant?

Two things - I agree that probabilistically remdesivir won't be a game changer in terms of mortality rates (never say never but it looks like it is going to be statistically meaning less + no virological benefits). Why the study? They were hoping that it would decrease the time individuals spent in the ICU. Remember that an even slightly overwhelmed ICU and ER are bad things. The number of mistakes that happen go up very quickly. Even then it looks like the benefit in the general population would be very small. But don't sell that Gilead stock... they have some really good drugs in their portfolio.

One think you hit on - neither the studies on remdesivir or hydroxychloroquine should have been played up in the media (and especially not by our POTUS). There was literally a run on hydroxychloroquine - a drug that is very effective at treating lupus.

Stupid is what stupid does.

Post #753 » by **Ruzious** » Mon May 11, 2020 3:39 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

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It's yet another incredibly stupid idea. Not only are they risking Social Security for the future, but they're ignoring the entire reason Social Security was set up for. I feel like the people coming up with these kinds of ideas were the kids that should have been flunked out in grade school, but their parents got them favors.

Pointgod · Post #754 » by **Pointgod** » Mon May 11, 2020 5:17 pm

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How do would you feel about a President Harris vs the other options?

Pointgod · Post #755 » by **Pointgod** » Mon May 11, 2020 5:17 pm

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Very Banana Republic flavoured.

Wizardspride · Post #756 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon May 11, 2020 6:13 pm

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Post #757 » by **Ruzious** » Mon May 11, 2020 6:40 pm

I'm surprised there are 2,000 living former DOJ officials - apparently all with more integrity in their pinkies than Barr has in his... body. Speaking of which, he bears a resemblance to Jerry Krause.

dckingsfan · Post #758 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon May 11, 2020 7:36 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:

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How do would you feel about a President Harris vs the other options?

There are two sides to that coin right? Who will help him get elected and who would be the best POTUS.

That is one tough set of questions...

Wizardspride · Post #759 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon May 11, 2020 8:09 pm

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dckingsfan · Post #760 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon May 11, 2020 8:48 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
bsilver wrote:Remdesivir is the hydroxychloroquine of the day. In a few months it will just be a footnote to this disaster. It's barely effective if at all.

What I don't understand is the arithmetic that led to the conclusion that it will be of use. The study came up with the conclusion that was remdesivir was effective in reducing the median hospital stay, or time needed on oxygen, from 15 days to 11. Then the study went on to say the death rate was 8% with remdesivir vs 11.6% with a placebo, but the result was not statistcally significant.

So the improvement in hospital stay was 27.3% and the improvement in death rate was 32%. Why was the smaller improvement more significant?

Two things - I agree that probabilistically remdesivir won't be a game changer in terms of mortality rates (never say never but it looks like it is going to be statistically meaning less + no virological benefits). Why the study? They were hoping that it would decrease the time individuals spent in the ICU. Remember that an even slightly overwhelmed ICU and ER are bad things. The number of mistakes that happen go up very quickly. Even then it looks like the benefit in the general population would be very small. But don't sell that Gilead stock... they have some really good drugs in their portfolio.

One think you hit on - neither the studies on remdesivir or hydroxychloroquine should have been played up in the media (and especially not by our POTUS). There was literally a run on hydroxychloroquine - a drug that is very effective at treating lupus.

Stupid is what stupid does.

BTW, this is a good article (IMO) on the back and forth on remdesivir and the kicker at the end of the article:

I think there are groups of people who you’d really respect who would not have stopped a study like this without a mortality benefit,” Wittes said. “And I think you can argue that both ways.mBut she also worried that the evidence might not be strong enough to make the decision society is now making: that every new Covid-19 treatment must be given with or compared to remdesivir.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/