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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#741 » by payitforward » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:17 pm

TGW wrote:6,18,and carrington for Harper is not nuts. That’s a no brainer for the Wiz.

Wow....
I guess you see Harper as a guaranteed all-NBA superstar, huh? & you might be right. Who knows?

Let's see how that prediction turns out.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#742 » by NatP4 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:26 pm

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TGW wrote:6,18,and carrington for Harper is not nuts. That’s a no brainer for the Wiz.

Wow....
I guess you see Harper as a guaranteed all-NBA superstar, huh? & you might be right. Who knows?

Let's see how that prediction turns out.


6+18+Carrington is still an underpay for a prospect like Harper. No way the Spurs even consider that.

Flagg and Wemby are the only players that get picked above Harper over the last 5 drafts.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#743 » by DCZards » Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:24 pm

payitforward wrote:
TGW wrote:6,18,and carrington for Harper is not nuts. That’s a no brainer for the Wiz.

Wow....
I guess you see Harper as a guaranteed all-NBA superstar, huh? & you might be right. Who knows?

Let's see how that prediction turns out.

Don’t know if he’ll be a superstar, but I do see Harper in the versatile offensive mode of a SGA or Cunningham.

As I stated previously, I’d trade 6 & 18 for the right to draft him at 2.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#744 » by NatP4 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:35 pm

SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#745 » by Frichuela » Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:39 pm

NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.


Yep. Saw that. What I do not understand is what can Philly offer the Spurs to entice them to trade down?? I'd think 6+18 + some other incentive (Carrington?) would significantly beat any offer Philly can make...
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#746 » by NatP4 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:00 pm

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NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.


Yep. Saw that. What I do not understand is what can Philly offer the Spurs to entice them to trade down?? I'd think 6+18 + some other incentive (Carrington?) would significantly beat any offer Philly can make...


The ability to stay in the top 3 I guess. Maybe SA views it as a significant tier drop-off after that. Probably much better optics with the fanbase only moving down 1 spot+landing a player with perceived superstar upside still.

Going into the season, it was a pretty clear top 3 of Flagg/Bailey/Harper.

The Wizards really can’t offer anything of interest either. Carrington is the most untouchable player in the organization and everyone knows it, not that SA would be interested anyways. Can’t offer the Washington 2026 1st.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#747 » by machu46 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:08 pm

NatP4 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
TGW wrote:6,18,and carrington for Harper is not nuts. That’s a no brainer for the Wiz.

Wow....
I guess you see Harper as a guaranteed all-NBA superstar, huh? & you might be right. Who knows?

Let's see how that prediction turns out.


6+18+Carrington is still an underpay for a prospect like Harper. No way the Spurs even consider that.

Flagg and Wemby are the only players that get picked above Harper over the last 5 drafts.


My guess is the Spurs would need to be getting #6, a lightly-protected future Wizards 1st (let's say starting at top 3 protected), and Coulibaly or Sarr before they begin to even consider it. More likely if they do trade the pick, they're looking for someone that can help them win now (while still not being ancient).
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Post#748 » by pcbothwel » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:14 pm

Frichuela wrote:
NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.


Yep. Saw that. What I do not understand is what can Philly offer the Spurs to entice them to trade down?? I'd think 6+18 + some other incentive (Carrington?) would significantly beat any offer Philly can make...


I can easily see why a Philly package is enticing.
1) They love either Ace or Tre. I'm assuming Tre as he is a PERFECT fit next to Fox/Castle
2) Philly has Jared McCain, all their future picks, and an unprotected 2028 1st from LAC

I can certainly see how SAS views Tre/Ace, McCain, and a 2028 1st > Harper
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Post#749 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:19 pm

NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.

Agreed. Coulibaly and Sarr are really the only guys on this roster that have star caliber upside. I like a lot of the other guys too, but I think they are all role player types who are not very hard to replace.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#750 » by Frichuela » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:22 pm

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Frichuela wrote:
NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.


Yep. Saw that. What I do not understand is what can Philly offer the Spurs to entice them to trade down?? I'd think 6+18 + some other incentive (Carrington?) would significantly beat any offer Philly can make...


I can easily see why a Philly package is enticing.
1) They love either Ace or Tre. I'm assuming Tre as he is a PERFECT fit next to Fox/Castle
2) Philly has Jared McCain, all their future picks, and an unprotected 2028 1st from LAC

I can certainly see how SAS views Tre/Ace, McCain, and a 2028 1st > Harper


Good point. McCain must be the prize…
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Post#751 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:23 pm

Frichuela wrote:
NatP4 wrote:SA and Philly talking about swapping 2&3. Seems like the Spurs want Ace Bailey, Philly wants Harper.

I’d be doing anything I can to beat the Philly offer. A trade package of anyone/anything outside of Coulibaly and Sarr.


Yep. Saw that. What I do not understand is what can Philly offer the Spurs to entice them to trade down?? I'd think 6+18 + some other incentive (Carrington?) would significantly beat any offer Philly can make...

Philly's offer would start at #3 + Jared McCain. That right there is substantially better than our starting offer of #6 + #18. So which players would we include to sweeten our offer? It would really have to be Coulibaly given their need for forwards, and I don't think I could bring myself to do that.
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Post#752 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:26 pm

NatP4 wrote:Carrington is the most untouchable player in the organization and everyone knows it


I don't see this at all. I think Bilal and Sarr are definitely more untouchable than Carrington. Also, since the whole point of this is to acquire our future lead guard in Harper, Carrington would become the most redundant player and easiest to justify moving.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#753 » by AFM » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:33 pm

I would not give up Carrington + 18 + 6 for #2. Basically two firsts to move up 4 slots. I feel like the trade for Carrington has obfuscated his value. Kid is gonna be a helluva player.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#754 » by NatP4 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:39 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Carrington is the most untouchable player in the organization and everyone knows it


I don't see this at all. I think Bilal and Sarr are definitely more untouchable than Carrington. Also, since the whole point of this is to acquire our future lead guard in Harper, Carrington would become the most redundant player and easiest to justify moving.


I disagree. The way Dawkins has gushed about Carrington and the Baltimore aspect leads me to believe there is 0% chance they would turn around and move him, atleast not in the near future.

I think they would be far more likely to part with Coulibaly, who is a significantly better young prospect than Carrington. I don't think I would even consider 6+Coulibaly for 2, although it's probably much closer to even value than a 6+18+Carrington offer.

SAS also probably wants roster help right now, so I don't think they would want a 2027 1st top-4 protected or something like that.
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Post#755 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 5:43 pm

NatP4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Carrington is the most untouchable player in the organization and everyone knows it


I don't see this at all. I think Bilal and Sarr are definitely more untouchable than Carrington. Also, since the whole point of this is to acquire our future lead guard in Harper, Carrington would become the most redundant player and easiest to justify moving.


I disagree. The way Dawkins has gushed about Carrington and the Baltimore aspect leads me to believe there is 0% chance they would turn around and move him, atleast not in the near future.

I think they would be far more likely to part with Coulibaly, who is a significantly better young prospect than Carrington. I don't think I would even consider 6+Coulibaly for 2, although it's probably much closer to even value than a 6+18+Carrington offer.

SAS also probably wants roster help right now, so I don't think they would want a 2027 1st top-4 protected or something like that.

I feel like they have gushed plenty about Coulibaly too. And they never moved Coulibaly back to the bench once he made the starting lineup. They have done so with Carrington.
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Post#756 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:22 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:I don't see this at all. I think Bilal and Sarr are definitely more untouchable than Carrington. Also, since the whole point of this is to acquire our future lead guard in Harper, Carrington would become the most redundant player and easiest to justify moving.

I disagree. The way Dawkins has gushed about Carrington and the Baltimore aspect leads me to believe there is 0% chance they would turn around and move him, atleast not in the near future.

I think they would be far more likely to part with Coulibaly, who is a significantly better young prospect than Carrington. I don't think I would even consider 6+Coulibaly for 2, although it's probably much closer to even value than a 6+18+Carrington offer.

SAS also probably wants roster help right now, so I don't think they would want a 2027 1st top-4 protected or something like that.

I feel like they have gushed plenty about Coulibaly too. And they never moved Coulibaly back to the bench once he made the starting lineup. They have done so with Carrington.

Funny, I was thinking about this very topic the other day - but more in terms of how the FO will influence the coach with regards to PT. But as your conversation goes, it also has an influence on trades and possibly whom the FO drafts.

It is very much a material conversation but so difficult to dissect unless you are a fly on the wall in the conversations.

I would love to know the thinking...
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Post#757 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:31 pm

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:AJ Johnson + 2026 1st round pick (late 1st from Philly) to Rockets for Cam Whitmore.

What would make you think that Cam Whitmore is worth this price? Nothing I can see....


Thank you. Whitmore, Mathurin, Jalen Green, Miles Bridges, etc.... STAY AWAY. Their physical tools and youth have tricked people into thinking they are actually good players. They arent. Slashing wings with inconsistent shooting, poor defense, low IQ, poor feel/vision, etc.


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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVII 

Post#758 » by DCZards » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:38 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
payitforward wrote:What would make you think that Cam Whitmore is worth this price? Nothing I can see....


Thank you. Whitmore, Mathurin, Jalen Green, Miles Bridges, etc.... STAY AWAY. Their physical tools and youth have tricked people into thinking they are actually good players. They arent. Slashing wings with inconsistent shooting, poor defense, low IQ, poor feel/vision, etc.


Every once in a while one of these guys figures it out.

I loved Mathurin coming out of Ariz. Thought he’d be a star. He really hasn’t lived up to my expectations. But what I liked most about Ben at Ariz. was his mental and physical toughness, and how he stepped up when the lights were the brightest. We’re seeing those things now during the NBA finals.
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Post#759 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:30 pm

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