2014 Draft Thread (Early offseason panic edition).

[gambitx777]

Are you saying the Wiz should have taken Olynyk over Porter? As disappointing as Porter's season was, I'll still take Porter.

And I'm not sure how Bairstow compares to Olynyk other than both of them being big and white. Olynyk is a high post center who likes to step out and shoot jumpers. Bairstow is strictly a low post center. And Olynyk didn't have that rebounding problem I mentioned about Bairstow - or even the age problem. One was a lotto pick last year, and the other's a guy who might go undrafted.

Well, I was an advocate of trading back and picking up an extra pick for olynyk, not necessarily taking him at 3 but I would not have minded it. But, the point I was trying to make is that We made the same claims about kelly and he worked out fine, and Bairstow is a second round prospect and much less of a risk than kelly.

[Ruzious]

Are you saying the Wiz should have taken Olynyk over Porter? As disappointing as Porter's season was, I'll still take Porter.

And I'm not sure how Bairstow compares to Olynyk other than both of them being big and white. Olynyk is a high post center who likes to step out and shoot jumpers. Bairstow is strictly a low post center. And Olynyk didn't have that rebounding problem I mentioned about Bairstow - or even the age problem. One was a lotto pick last year, and the other's a guy who might go undrafted.

Well, I was an advocate of trading back and picking up an extra pick for olynyk, not necessarily taking him at 3 but I would not have minded it. But, the point I was trying to make is that We made the same claims about kelly and he worked out fine, and Bairstow is a second round prospect and much less of a risk than kelly.

Ok, but I think your point is wrong for the reasons I gave. Olynyk went about where he should have gone and performed about as well as you'd expect someone picked late lotto would - so far. If there's a lesson to learn there, I haven't heard it. If you meant Ryan Kelly, there's a player who was underrated, played way above his draft position, and can become comparable to Olynyk - so looking for the next Ryan Kelly would be a smart thing.

[Rafael122]

So this could be something, could be nothing, Cory Jefferson is coming in for a 2nd workout tomorrow according to the Wizards twitter feed. He had a workout on June 10. Just something to keep an eye on, could very well be the pick.

[Ruzious]

So this could be something, could be nothing, Cory Jefferson is coming in for a 2nd workout tomorrow according to the Wizards twitter feed. He had a workout on June 10. Just something to keep an eye on, could very well be the pick.

He has NBA talent, but he had a disappointing season (considering he's 23 and did better as a junior) and measured poorer than I thought at only 6'9 218 with only an 8'9 standing reach. That seems wrong, because he looks very long. He does have an outstanding verticle. Good rebounder and a really gifted athlete. I wish he took more 3's last season, because it looks like he has good form on his jumper. Better athlete and better player than teammate Ike Austin, imo.

[pancakes3]

You could do worse looking for a Booker/Singleton replacement but yeah his reach and wingspan is mediocre at best. Good rebounder though. Not really looking for him to show 3 point range. Get garbage buckets and play defense is really all we should be expecting out of this guy.

[BruceO]

bryce cotton has patty mills exact dimensions at 6 foot in shoes, 6ft 2 inch reach and 7 10 standing reach. but he jumps higher but at standstill at max. 31.5 and 40 inch. verses 27.5 and 33 inch.

He was guarded really well by wilbeken In the workouts according to the net but on the plus side dude is a good shooter. apparently set a shooting record of 15 ( I think consecutive) 3 pts in 53 seconds. Has a 37 shooting percentage but might be even better cause he was playing 40 minutes a night and may have been reduced by fatigue.

He came in as an afterthought an didn't play much and worked his way into a two time first team guy and one of their best in their history. Just like porter did. I think he can fit this team if he can learn how to defend well. When we play teams that sag of John wall as asa part of scheme to defend this team then he will really be essential and I think he can be equivalent to patty mills

Agreed.

Cotton is one of 4 or 5 projected round 2 guys who I absolutely love for Washington. I like Burton and Russ Smith more, but all of them seem to fit needs at PG/SG.

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was scouting him only to see this [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTKn7Jo7b8[/youtube]
god shamgod lol

[payitforward]

Yeah, how well did that way of thinking work out in 2009 ? We need to draft, we need to draft well to stay relevant. We have need to fill and it's better to look in to theses young guys and make a good pick, that way we can fill that need! and not have to pay out the ass or bring in a broken down old guy to try to make it work.

This ain't 2009 this is 2014 with Wall and Beal being the next big duo. Porter gets no minutes drafting a draft this year would be useless sitting on the bench getting no playing time. Free Agency and Trading is much better than Drafting unless you're trying to rebuild. Chances of a Draft pick being able to contribute in a big way in 2 seasons is rare. Not worth the trouble.

I bet you this is the same logic that Ernie & staff had in 2009 and today and it's shortsighted, foolish & shows a total lack of incompetence and understanding on how the draft process should be utilized. Nowadays draft picks offer the best bang for your buck in terms of production. Each year, there are late 1sts or 2nd rounders that slip through the cracks and become some of the best bargains in the entire NBA. How big was it for Houston to land Chandler Parsons a few years back? Half the Spurs roster is built with late 1sts & 2nd rounders.

The best organizations take advantage of all available tools and resources to improve. The Wizards? They assume no rookie could possibly help their deep and talented roster. Apparently we've learned nothing from past mistakes and are doomed to repeat them.

Yup! You nailed it -- except you forgot that the Spurs also manage to get good players who weren't drafted *at all!*

[Aussie22]

After his workout this week in Washington, do people feel Sim Bhullar is worth a risk? Obviously has upside, but might not be quick enough at NBA level.

[pcbothwel]

Serious question to all... How does a 6'9 250lbs, 7'2 wingspan PF/C athletic big-man that is quick enough to defend stretch 4's and strong enough to defend back-to-basket 5's with high B-Ball IQ, high offensive efficiency, elite ability to draw fouls and finish at the rim while using both his left and right hand equally well, and played at an elite college for 4 years go undrafted????

Patric Young at 46 has me intrigued. He'd be a perfect depth bigman for a contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfRR8U ... n&index=37

[Dat2U]

Serious question to all... How does a 6'9 250lbs, 7'2 wingspan PF/C athletic big-man that is quick enough to defend stretch 4's and strong enough to defend back-to-basket 5's with high B-Ball IQ, high offensive efficiency, elite ability to draw fouls and finish at the rim while using both his left and right hand equally well, and played at an elite college for 4 years go undrafted????

Patric Young at 46 has me intrigued. He'd be a perfect depth bigman for a contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfRR8U ... n&index=37

He's not an NBA prospect. Your classic tweener. Doesn't have the size to play C, doesn't have the offensive skill to play PF. His standing reach measured out at 8'7" 1/2??? He's not draftable IMO.

[pcbothwel]

Serious question to all... How does a 6'9 250lbs, 7'2 wingspan PF/C athletic big-man that is quick enough to defend stretch 4's and strong enough to defend back-to-basket 5's with high B-Ball IQ, high offensive efficiency, elite ability to draw fouls and finish at the rim while using both his left and right hand equally well, and played at an elite college for 4 years go undrafted????

Patric Young at 46 has me intrigued. He'd be a perfect depth bigman for a contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfRR8U ... n&index=37

He's not an NBA prospect. Your classic tweener. Doesn't have the size to play C, doesn't have the offensive skill to play PF. His standing reach measured out at 8'7" 1/2??? He's not draftable IMO.

Maybe someone can explain this more(Nivek). But his limitations seem obvious. He has no face-up offense and is not a great rebounder...But his effect on rebounding seems to be in the Nene mold of the raw numbers do not look good, but he helps the team rebounding. As far as the reach, I am a little leery of the measurements these days. The last 2 or 3 years they changed the way they measure it and we've seen some strange numbers come up. I believe the reach is off by 2-3 inches...

He has elite physical tools package (height, weight, strength, length, jump) along with elite P&R defense and a very good shot blocker. Combine that with high level maturity, leadership, BBall IQ and you have something. Its also extremely important to note that while he is limited on offense (although he is elite at drawing fouls and converting at the rim) he knows his limitations.

The main thing that holds back a lot of players in professional sports is not that they are limited, but they dont understand their limitations. If a guy is elite/above average at a some things and bad at others, he is much better off focusing on what he his good at and carving a role out that way.

Young will get enough points with out the face up game. He can use his left hand and right hand equally well with 5-7 foot jump hooks. He can get hustle boards (much like Booker does now even though Patric is bigger and stronger) and transition points. Again, a player that can defensively hold down a Zach Randolph/Cousins inside and also shut down a Bosh/Milsap outside has a place in this league...

[Rafael122]

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I would trade Porter, NOT Beal to move into the top 6. Going back and forth w/Dat on Twitter, but at 1-3, Embiid is not worth the risk, but you get into that 4-6 range, and I'd roll the dice. Just not sure Utah, Boston, and Orlando would.

[Dat2U]

Serious question to all... How does a 6'9 250lbs, 7'2 wingspan PF/C athletic big-man that is quick enough to defend stretch 4's and strong enough to defend back-to-basket 5's with high B-Ball IQ, high offensive efficiency, elite ability to draw fouls and finish at the rim while using both his left and right hand equally well, and played at an elite college for 4 years go undrafted????

Patric Young at 46 has me intrigued. He'd be a perfect depth bigman for a contender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFfRR8U ... n&index=37

He's not an NBA prospect. Your classic tweener. Doesn't have the size to play C, doesn't have the offensive skill to play PF. His standing reach measured out at 8'7" 1/2??? He's not draftable IMO.

Maybe someone can explain this more(Nivek). But his limitations seem obvious. He has no face-up offense and is not a great rebounder...But his effect on rebounding seems to be in the Nene mold of the raw numbers do not look good, but he helps the team rebounding. As far as the reach, I am a little leery of the measurements these days. The last 2 or 3 years they changed the way they measure it and we've seen some strange numbers come up. I believe the reach is off by 2-3 inches...

He has elite physical tools package (height, weight, strength, length, jump) along with elite P&R defense and a very good shot blocker. Combine that with high level maturity, leadership, BBall IQ and you have something. Its also extremely important to note that while he is limited on offense (although he is elite at drawing fouls and converting at the rim) he knows his limitations.

The main thing that holds back a lot of players in professional sports is not that they are limited, but they dont understand their limitations. If a guy is elite/above average at a some things and bad at others, he is much better off focusing on what he his good at and carving a role out that way.

Young will get enough points with out the face up game. He can use his left hand and right hand equally well with 5-7 foot jump hooks. He can get hustle boards (much like Booker does now even though Patric is bigger and stronger) and transition points. Again, a player that can defensively hold down a Zach Randolph/Cousins inside and also shut down a Bosh/Milsap outside has a place in this league...

We can blow off the numbers we don't like but they still exist. Even if it's slightly off, his standing reach is in uncharted territory for a guy that may have to play C.

Even if his standing reach numbers were passable, the fact he didn't really improve over four years at Florida says a lot. He's not a low post threat. What face up game? He doesn't really have one, he mainly scores on post ups, offensive rebounds, fastbreak opportunities and cuts to the basket. I don't think his offense would be good enough to keep him on the floor, especially as an undersized C. It doesn't matter how much he realizes about his limitations, if you have too many limitations it's simply not going to work.

I think he's worth a look in summer league but I'll be surprised if he's able to put together a solid NBA career. More likely, in a best case scenario, he's the 14th or 15th man on a roster as a high energy practice player.

[Dat2U]

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I would trade Porter, NOT Beal to move into the top 6. Going back and forth w/Dat on Twitter, but at 1-3, Embiid is not worth the risk, but you get into that 4-6 range, and I'd roll the dice. Just not sure Utah, Boston, and Orlando would.

If Porter could somehow get us Embiid, even if he has a broken foot, I would be all for it. Even if Embiid has to miss next season. It may be similar to a Greg Oden sized risk, but considering Embiid's upside, you just have to take that chance.

[pancakes3]

Oh absolutely for Embiid. I'd trade for Noel right now sight unseen too.

[Nivek]

I haven't run the numbers on this year's draft class, but in previous seasons, YODA was not enamored with Patric Young. The last score I have for him suggests he's borderline for being drafted at all. But, I have not run the numbers for this season yet. Just eyeballing the numbers, I see modest improvement in his offensive efficiency, but a step back in steals (which isn't a good sign), and an uptick in fouls during his senior year (which also isn't a good sign).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Embiid first has a back issue and now a foot issue before the draft. If Portland had the top pick visions of Sam Bowie and Greg Oden would be limping (too injury prone to be dancing) in their heads.

I dunno about Embiid. If it's a stress fracture it could be a harbinger of things to come.

Cleveland knew Bennett was hurt when they drafted him first last season. His rookie year was a huge bust.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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I would trade Porter, NOT Beal to move into the top 6. Going back and forth w/Dat on Twitter, but at 1-3, Embiid is not worth the risk, but you get into that 4-6 range, and I'd roll the dice. Just not sure Utah, Boston, and Orlando would.

If Porter could somehow get us Embiid, even if he has a broken foot, I would be all for it. Even if Embiid has to miss next season. It may be similar to a Greg Oden sized risk, but considering Embiid's upside, you just have to take that chance.

I think that's more of an indictment against Porter when you admittedly take on a Greg Oden sized risk.

I would want to make sure Embiid isn't going to start off missing more games than Nene. It doesn't matter if Embiid is an explosive athlete if he is also very brittle.

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[Dat2U]

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I would trade Porter, NOT Beal to move into the top 6. Going back and forth w/Dat on Twitter, but at 1-3, Embiid is not worth the risk, but you get into that 4-6 range, and I'd roll the dice. Just not sure Utah, Boston, and Orlando would.

If Porter could somehow get us Embiid, even if he has a broken foot, I would be all for it. Even if Embiid has to miss next season. It may be similar to a Greg Oden sized risk, but considering Embiid's upside, you just have to take that chance.

I think that's more of an indictment against Porter when you admittedly take on a Greg Oden sized risk.

I would want to make sure Embiid isn't going to start off missing more games than Nene.

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No, I still think Porter is a solid prospect. Not great mind you, but I have little doubt that he's eventually going to be a very solid starting SF in this league for a long time.

This is more about Embiid and how good a prospect he potentially is. He's got all the tools of a franchise changing C and he's got an offensive upside that Oden never had. If were ever going to compete for titles, we need to take some calculated risks.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I just added a line about Joel being brittle. I think the Wizards should move Porter or Webster if Ariza is resigned.

From what I saw of Otto I would also be okay with a trade for the draft rights to Embiid.

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