Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[nate33]

meh, the 20-24th pick is not worth taking back Jason Smith and losing value that Lou brings

Horrible...we lose the pick and most importantly oubre who would probably become the best player on the magic

now if we do straight up Lou/ 1 or 2 2nd's for Oubre, we can

Yeah, not gonna happen.

[NatP4]

a few things to think about
Mhinmi is owed 3 more years at 16 mill
if you talk Ibaka into a 3 year extension at 17-19 mill a year with player options in the last 2, you have him guaranteed for one more year, so he is no longer a rental, because you get him for the rest of this season and all of next. He can stay just as long as mahinmi would be here, at not much more money. He is comparable on D, can be as good of a rebounded, and is way better on offence. A 3 man roataion of morris gortat and Ibaka is killer compared to gortat, morris, smith and mahinmi. If he leaves on a player options, we save a **** ton of money. Plus we keep our 2017 pick in a really really good draft. 2018 might not be, who knows, but One you get a better player, who can play and defend 2 positions, and you get more potential cap flexibility over mahinmi. Plus if Orlando is desperate enough to get a first back for Ibaka, that they will take Mahinmi, and Ibaka agrees to stay 1 more year before you make that deal. You might not find a deal like that to move Mahinmi ever again. IM not saying any of this will happen, but if it does its hard to pass up.

I hear everything you're saying, but I would need to see Hezonja coming back to us in that deal.

See I think Henzonja is like 3 years, a lot of hours lifting and a lot of protein supplements away from being a viable NBA player. Like, hes just one of those weird athletic big out of positions European dudes that almost never pan out. he made to play 2 in the NBA, he needs to beef up and play small ball 4, I think thats where he needs to go, Like Vesley I always thought he needs to just beef up and play center, I don't know why we always try to play these euro dudes in the wrong spots. Like I know tomas is big for a PG but hes a PG who can sometimes play two in europe because they basically run two PGs over there. Don't try to turn him into a wing. Henzonja, not a guard, not really a wing, make him a small ball 4. but thats going to take years. But Orlando has the rights to two kids under 25 right now over in europe that I would be ok if they gave us. Janis Timma (24) playing really well in europe and probably NBA ready at his position (wing SF) and Tyler Harvey (23) who is a really interesting SG prospect.

Yeah that's an interesting thought. Hezonja can't dribble the ball at all but he's a long way away from being able to defend 4s, doesn't lack the athletic ability to guard 2s and 3s, he just doesn't focus and gives a piss poor effort.

But he's going to eventually be good I think, that shooting stroke and athleticism, plus his fantastic court vision and passing ability is too much to be a bust.

Get Sato and Mario back together 2017

[NatP4]

meh, the 20-24th pick is not worth taking back Jason Smith and losing value that Lou brings

Horrible...we lose the pick and most importantly oubre who would probably become the best player on the magic

now if we do straight up Lou/ 1 or 2 2nd's for Oubre, we can

What the hell? Is that really what lakers fans think the trade value is for Lou Williams? Do you have any realistic deal ideas?

[bealwithit]

Hezonja is getting another start today for the Magic btw if anyone is interested in getting a look at him.


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[heatcharger]

Okay so it looks like the answer to my question of whether Mahinmi can be dumped while simultaneously upgrading our bench is an emphatic No. I'm just worried that the Mahinmi contract will be Ernie's dumbest decision yet and will hold us back from being true competitors with the Cavs.

[Illmatic12]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

[NatP4]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

[Meliorus]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

Yea he's pretty trash. Orlando fans have long given up on him. They've tried many times to give him opportunities but he hasn't been able to produce. It's not a mental block either as he's cocky as ****.

[Illmatic12]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

Sorry man, he's trash. If he can't even get minutes in Orlando (over the likes of Jeff Green or CJ Watson) what makes you think he would play here?

He wouldn't even play over McClellan honestly.

[Meliorus]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

Sorry man, he's trash. If he can't even get minutes in Orlando (over the likes of Jeff Green or CJ Watson) what makes you think he would play here?

He wouldn't even play over McClellan honestly.

Same thing happened in Orlando last year. If Nicholson couldn't even get minutes over Jason Smith in Orlando, well... Nicholson still couldn't get minutes over Jason Smith in DC.

[gambitx777]

Hezonja Just isn't an NBA wing, Now like I said he has the size and body to add on some bulk and the athleticism for that not to slow him down. He could be a small ball 4 off the bench for a few minutes a game. Hes not going to be a starter, hes not going to be a guard, he won't be worthy of where he was picked but if handled right he could be a productive NBA player. Like Jan Vesley, if he had been picked late 20's or even just picked by a better staff or a better developmental team, he could have been a productive NBA bench center. But, if not one takes the time to sit this kid down and say look, this ain't for you, but we can make you work if you do this, then he will be back in europe soon enough.

[NatP4]

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

Sorry man, he's trash. If he can't even get minutes in Orlando (over the likes of Jeff Green or CJ Watson) what makes you think he would play here?

He wouldn't even play over McClellan honestly.

There's a completely different coach now, he does have attitude issues, but every magic fan I've talked to seems think it's not a talent issue, it's a work ethic/focus issue. I will watch there game tonight to see him start, because I've never really watched him play other than against us.

There's no way he's worse than Trey Burke lol

Same thing happened in Orlando last year. If Nicholson couldn't even get minutes over Jason Smith in Orlando, well... Nicholson still couldn't get minutes over Jason Smith in DC.

[NatP4]

Hezonja Just isn't an NBA wing, Now like I said he has the size and body to add on some bulk and the athleticism for that not to slow him down. He could be a small ball 4 off the bench for a few minutes a game. Hes not going to be a starter, hes not going to be a guard, he won't be worthy of where he was picked but if handled right he could be a productive NBA player. Like Jan Vesley, if he had been picked late 20's or even just picked by a better staff or a better developmental team, he could have been a productive NBA bench center. But, if not one takes the time to sit this kid down and say look, this ain't for you, but we can make you work if you do this, then he will be back in europe soon enough.

Vesely couldn't shoot or dribble or pass. You can't be a spot up shooting wing if you can't shoot at all. Hezonja is going to be a good shooter someday I think. It's a buy low opportunity. Over on the magic board they think the "fair" trade would be Oubre and our 2017 1st for Hezonja straight up LOL.

[gambitx777]

Hezonja Just isn't an NBA wing, Now like I said he has the size and body to add on some bulk and the athleticism for that not to slow him down. He could be a small ball 4 off the bench for a few minutes a game. Hes not going to be a starter, hes not going to be a guard, he won't be worthy of where he was picked but if handled right he could be a productive NBA player. Like Jan Vesley, if he had been picked late 20's or even just picked by a better staff or a better developmental team, he could have been a productive NBA bench center. But, if not one takes the time to sit this kid down and say look, this ain't for you, but we can make you work if you do this, then he will be back in europe soon enough.

Vesely couldn't shoot or dribble or pass. You can't be a spot up shooting wing if you can't shoot at all. Hezonja is going to be a good shooter someday I think. It's a buy low opportunity. Over on the magic board they think the "fair" trade would be Oubre and our 2017 1st for Hezonja straight up LOL.

Well Ves would have been a valuable Center, he was fast, had good size and length, was not a terrible re bounder when he tried and he played ok defense when given the chance. He would have been a fine bench center on cheap money for 15 minutes a game, to come in rebound play paint/rim D and get some fast break points and pick and roll dunks.
Hezonja might, be an Ok Otto type wing some day, in the sense that he plays some SF but he moves over and plays some PF, and Like Otto Eventually he will play primarily PF. He is a goot shooter, im not saying he won't make it in the NBA im just saying if you are dead set on playing him at the 2 like we were playing Ves at the 3 or 4 the kid is doomed from the jump.

[gambitx777]

Yo for real though, if yall want to see some real distortion go read the Orlando trade thread. You think we have some crazy ****. They are saying stuff like Jaylen brown and the (first the C's own) woulden't be enough value for Ibaka and that the raps need to give up 2 firsts and nogueira ross and powell because thats what Ibaka is worth lol. They say hezonja is better than Kelley so if we want him then its going to coast Kelley and a 2017 first. They have no idea what so ever what someones value is.

[NatP4]

Yo for real though, if yall want to see some real distortion go read the Orlando trade thread. You think we have some crazy ****. They are saying stuff like Jaylen brown and the (first the C's own) woulden't be enough value for Ibaka and that the raps need to give up 2 firsts and nogueira ross and powell because thats what Ibaka is worth lol. They say hezonja is better than Kelley so if we want him then its going to coast Kelley and a 2017 first. They have no idea what so ever what someones value is.

Seriously, some delusional people on that board. Keef+Oubre and our 2017 1st for Hezonja and Ibaka also LOL. The Jaylon Brown part was funny also.

[gambitx777]

Yo for real though, if yall want to see some real distortion go read the Orlando trade thread. You think we have some crazy ****. They are saying stuff like Jaylen brown and the (first the C's own) woulden't be enough value for Ibaka and that the raps need to give up 2 firsts and nogueira ross and powell because thats what Ibaka is worth lol. They say hezonja is better than Kelley so if we want him then its going to coast Kelley and a 2017 first. They have no idea what so ever what someones value is.

Seriously, some delusional people on that board. Keef+Oubre and our 2017 1st for Hezonja and Ibaka also LOL. The Jaylon Brown part was funny also.

I in no part of reality do I see them giving up brown for Ibaka when they should have the cap room or can easily make it to sign him to a big deal this summer anyway. They best i see them getting from boston is johnson and their own 2017 pick not the brooklyn one.

[gambitx777]

https://wizofawes.com/2017/02/11/washington-wizards-nba-trade-deadline-2017-four-potential-trade-scenarios/

interesting reads, I would hope all these deals could be done with out a 2017 first and a 2018 or 2019 but I like all these deals except for Courtney Lee.....Just no.

[NatP4]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

[gambitx777]

It would certainly make it an easier pill to swallow.