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Political Roundtable Part XXII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#761 » by closg00 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:30 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
gtn130 wrote:I can't think of a less likable human being than Ted Cruz. Why he got into politics is beyond me.



This seems like a great time to bring up one of the many highlights of Ted Cruz's career. I don't actually believe this can be watched enough.



Cruz should be a dream candidate to run against but Democrats NEVER know or understand how to eviscerate an opponent the way R's do. Beto is technocrat Demogeek who is too-nice (Typical Dem) when there is blood in the water.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#762 » by gtn130 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:25 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#763 » by Ruzious » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:06 pm

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I think some of this crazy unacceptable stuff happens because Trump has failed to put good people in charge of several of the US agencies. He just put random rich people here and there to populate board meetings. There's nobody in charge to stop the madness. And if there is somebody to stop it, why the f does it happen?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#764 » by dobrojim » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:00 pm

closg00 wrote:
What is everyones call on the mid-terms? As of today, the Dems get the house but the Repubs increase their margin in the Senate


All I can say is I only know what I read in the news and online.
Handicappers are currently giving the dems a very good chance of winning the House.
Until very recently, almost no one was talking about them also winning the Senate
which would still be a looong shot. However nice that would be for dem partisans,
the important thing for them is to win at least one chamber in order to obtain
investigative/oversight abilities. Given the complete abdication of any pretense of oversight
by pubs of pubs, many people would argue the country needs this. It would not
be at all shocking if that translated into enough votes for at least one chamber to flip.
FiveThrityEight has (without actually predicting this will happen this year) said that
wave elections have previously produced bigger victories ie more change
than handicappers predicted in many cases.

What's funny/ironic/tragic (pick your own fav) is the list of investigations
that pubs know and expect will happen if the House flips. Pubs are well aware
of their own failure to do their job in developing such a list. It's patently obvious
that they believe party over country is essential.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#765 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:13 am

dobrojim wrote:
closg00 wrote:
What is everyones call on the mid-terms? As of today, the Dems get the house but the Repubs increase their margin in the Senate


All I can say is I only know what I read in the news and online.
Handicappers are currently giving the dems a very good chance of winning the House.
Until very recently, almost no one was talking about them also winning the Senate
which would still be a looong shot. However nice that would be for dem partisans,
the important thing for them is to win at least one chamber in order to obtain
investigative/oversight abilities. Given the complete abdication of any pretense of oversight
by pubs of pubs, many people would argue the country needs this. It would not
be at all shocking if that translated into enough votes for at least one chamber to flip.
FiveThrityEight has (without actually predicting this will happen this year) said that
wave elections have previously produced bigger victories ie more change
than handicappers predicted in many cases.

What's funny/ironic/tragic (pick your own fav) is the list of investigations
that pubs know and expect will happen if the House flips. Pubs are well aware
of their own failure to do their job in developing such a list. It's patently obvious
that they believe party over country is essential.


As far as the Senate remember the Democrats just need to flip 2. The national polls aren't taking into account the people who didn't vote that Democrats have been turning out and the voters that will stay at home. Remember Independents highly disapprove of Trump as well.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#766 » by verbal8 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:34 am

I think the Senate is pretty interesting. I think it really comes down to the turn-out among women.
538 has the roughly 33% Democrats gain the Senate majority/33% same or split Senate/33% Republican gains.

The Democratic vulnerabilities seem to be Nelson, McCaskill and Heitkamp. While being a woman doesn't automatically lead to support from women, I think women are a key in these races. An article on polling in SD mentions Heitkamp winning women by 7 points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/12/fox-news-poll-republican-challenger-ahead-in-north-dakota-senate-race.html

Nelson is concerning, because I think the problems may be the candidate himself. Rick Scott seems like he should be vulnerable in a number of ways. This may be a race where the Democrats can help themselves by throwing money at the problem. I also hope that Gillum might have some coattails that will help Nelson hang on.

One thing that could be interesting in a split Senate is if the Democrats try to flip Sasse or Collins. It might be a compelling offer if they vote against Kavanaugh.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#767 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:02 pm

Pointgod wrote:
As far as the Senate remember the Democrats just need to flip 2. The national polls aren't taking into account the people who didn't vote that Democrats have been turning out and the voters that will stay at home. Remember Independents highly disapprove of Trump as well.


They need to flip 2 without losing any of their own. The map is not their friend given
the states they need to hold onto. That said, the more Trump runs his mouth...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#768 » by gtn130 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:17 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#769 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:45 pm

He knows what he knows and don't bother trying to convince him otherwise.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#770 » by Wizardspride » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:49 pm

gtn130 wrote:
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Nate, SD20 and popper support this guy and think he's smart

Kamala Harris is a lightweight---- Nate

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#771 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:56 pm

TGW wrote:Beto O'Rouke is within the margin of error in the texas primary. If he wins....ooooh weeee. Trump will be in full blown panic mode. This is a huge week for D's.

His events are swelling :D
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#772 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:56 pm

If these poor individuals took all the money spent annually on lotto tickets, cigarettes, alcohol, soda (and cable TV) and just stashed it in an interest bearing account each year -- they'd be looking at a surplus in the thousands for every household.

If these states pooled all the lotto money together and started a crowd sharing program to improve quality of life in specific communities, they'd see a much greater return.

Why give one individual half a billion dollars, when you could instead give 50,000 individuals ten grand each? For a family struggling to pay rent or keep their lights on -- a $10K lump some payment would be a life saver.


The Poorest Americans Risk the Most in Hopes of Striking it Rich

Americans spend tens of billions of dollars on government-run lotteries each year. But as income inequality widens, low-earning households spend a disproportionate amount of money on lottery tickets, according to a new study.

The lowest-income households in the U.S. on average spend $412 annually on lottery tickets, which is nearly four times the $105 a year spent by the highest-earning households, according to a study released on Wednesday by Bankrate.com. And almost 3 in 10 Americans in the lowest income bracket play the lottery once a week, compared with nearly 2 in 10 who earn more than that.

Said Jonathan Cohen, a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Virginia who’s completing his dissertation on American lotteries. “There’s an understandable belief that the economy is rigged and your best chance of making it out and getting rich is through the lottery, not through your job or savings.”

Americans making less than $30,000 a year are most likely to buy multiple lottery tickets each week, the study shows. These low earners spend 2.5 percent of their take-home pay on lottery tickets, or about $8 a week.

“It’s similar to alcohol,” Cohen said. “A small percentage of consumers are responsible for a large percentage of sales.”

However, Cohen attributes the increase in sales to widening income inequality and other sociopolitical factors. “While lottery profits account for a very small percentage of each state’s overall revenue, it’s costly to the state’s poor, the less educated, and communities of color,” Cohen said.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#773 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:32 pm

dobrojim wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
As far as the Senate remember the Democrats just need to flip 2. The national polls aren't taking into account the people who didn't vote that Democrats have been turning out and the voters that will stay at home. Remember Independents highly disapprove of Trump as well.


They need to flip 2 without losing any of their own. The map is not their friend given
the states they need to hold onto. That said, the more Trump runs his mouth...


Well incumbents usually have a built in advantage and Democratic turnout will be significant while Republican turnout will be suppressed. This midterms will not follow the patterns of traditional midterms. Looking at it traditionally is the wrong way. Democrats will need a historic turnout to win no doubt, but that’s exactly what’s been going on at the local level with new voters getting registered. And Trump isn’t going to stop being a piece of **** heading into the midterms.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#774 » by FAH1223 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:19 pm



This. ALL OF THIS.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#775 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:52 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:only been saying this for about 2 years...

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Yo!! Socialists!!! if you really care so much about each other? if you want to help each other so much. If you relly want everything to be afordable...how about this novel idea....how about you pay more for good manufactured in the US???

How about that??? How about instead of giving your neighbor free medicaid...you instead help him get a job where he/she can afford to pay for their own medical insurance? How about that??? And you do that by changing and enacting legislation where we "help" manufacturues begin to make more goods here in the US...and we keep immigration slowed so that americans that are already here in the US are forced to work (because entitlements are drastically cut) and manufactures are forced to increase wages drastically to compete for the scarcity of labor!!??

^^^how about that!!!!!???????


Who are you talking to? Has anyone signaled you that they would disagree with this? Or that they are socialists for starters? I mean, I am just a casual lurker here, but its very weird comment of obvious.


globalist inherently oppose american manufacturing. Its baked into their cake. Labor, land, taxes, and even regulations make it cost more to build here and there is only soooooo much americans will pay for various goods. There is a sweatspot for car purchases. TV's. clothes. groceries. Etc. Everything is focus group studied and big business knows what you want and how much you will pay for it. As well as how much expendable income you have on hand to afford such goods. So its "just business" for them. Its cheaper for them to produce overseas and ship here to the USA (if we let them get away with it). <--and democrats do!! So do establishment republicans!!! We could simply tariff those goods and use the tariff money for education and medical insurance.


They dont care about your community because they dont live in your community. Lets just look at restaurants. If mom and pop open a restaurant in town...they care about their neighbors...they care about their reputation. They tend to care more about the people. Etc....it may very well be self serving...but if they live in the community where their business is located they care more. they are more likely to buy local produce. local breweries. hire local. and pay hire wages. sponsor and patron multiple local teams and organization <--because its smart for actual business and its smart for their reputation when they are hanging out in town and their children are out in town.

Where global brands like mcdonalds will certainly care more about following the law to a T. Mcdonalds will buy in bulk and buy from china, from mexico, and pay the lowest wages in town. Mcdonalds is playing the volume game. And due to volume and low wages and low prices bacteria and viruses are rampant on their walls and door knobs. It wasnt until recently that mcdonalds began to increase their prices and increase their wages. And mcdonalds is literally serving you 80% poison.

But mcdonalds will lobby congress and local governments to keep min wages low and allow them to classify their poison as food.

consider that vs. the mom and pop buger joint in town where real whole grain "bread" and real 90% beef is used as as avocado, romaine, kale, perhaps even a turkey burger or quinoa burger as options. $15 burger vs $6 burger.

And thats's just an example in the restaurant business. I prefer to go to an actual restaurant where the cooks are making at least $15 per hour and wait staff makes another $20 per hour (tips included).<--given that local restaunteur re-invests in his o rher community. I check these things before i go out.

That's local vs global and even national business in a nut shell.


That's the deal. Democrats and establishment Rino's used to represent local unions and labor. Dems pretend to be "looking out for the little guy" but are actively shipping jobs overseas for decades so big global business can have higher profit margins.<--dems believe this is good policy and taxes corporations at higher rates and redistributes those tax dollars to entitlement programs.<-- Instead of passing legislation that keeps jobs here and wages higher. Their "friends" and patrons run those social programs and supply those entitlement programs. Which is not the biggest problem which Wages remain stagnant people sit at home and collect entitlements. And in recent decades the Global corps have moved their head quarters overseas and dont ven pay taxes to the US federal government. the biggest recent culprit is APPLE corporation (yes i'm talking to you iphone users). Apple has been headquartered in Ireland for over a decade. paying 10% corporate income taxes to the government of Ireland instead of the united States.<--Is that "ok" with you guys??

In short Dems, have become nothing more more than political thugs for globalists like Soros, Koch brothers, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Bezos among others. But mostly "the bankers" (no one in particular but) especially those international central bankers that began investing into the infrastructure of developing economies in the 1970's, namely China.<--The (completely and entirely manufactured) oil crisis of the 70's led to a completely and entirely manufactured banking crisis on the 70's. Ya see. of course "the bankers" and Brittish empire began to buy up oil reserves in the middle east in during and after WW1. And controlled that oil rather easily throughout the WW2 and into the 50's and 60's. Then everyone wanted a piece. Including the original inhabitants of all that middle eastern land. "The bankers of the 18th and 19th and into the 20th century had already fully developed the USA by 1965. Unions and organized labor had finally caught up with the bankers and industrialists Whom would then choose between less profits vs. moving their headquarters overseas to favorable countries where wages, land, regulations, and raw material supplies and taxes are low.

In short, the best way for americans to afford a home, disposables, and education for their children and medical insurance is by having a job that pays for those bills. keep jobs here. Keep immigration to a minimum so as to make large corporations compete for scarce labor. Hit goods manufactured in other countries with tariffs to make corporation want to manufacture here and pay corporate taxes to our federal government in stead of foreign governements.

And Right now we are STILL IN THE DRIVERS seat!!!!!! we consume the most goods and by large margin!!!!!!!!!!!! We are the consumers of the world!!! And we police the shipping lanes!!!!!!!!!! All we need is good legislation to remain on top!!!!!!!!
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#776 » by Wizardspride » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:20 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#777 » by Wizardspride » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:24 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#778 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:30 pm

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Wow you found STDs Twitter account.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#779 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:33 pm

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Hopefully all those displaced Peurto Ricans are able to vote and push some Democrat wins. Especially the Senate and Governors races.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#780 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:13 pm

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like i said, its a full rebuild.

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