Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[dckingsfan]

Wait, you don't believe any climate models... except the one that painting rooftops and streets white would make a significant difference. Without even considering where all that reflected light would actually wind up (think people's eyes) or the fact that all the parts of glacier/snow-covered earth is receding would cause a lot more earth to not be covered in white. And the evidence that a hotter world becomes a more violent world.

I do agree with you on technology being the solution, though. So let's give technology a chance rather than forcing it into a David vs Goliath battle for survival from the start. The details are definitely subject to negotiation but the general idea to find a new path shouldn't really be in dispute at this point, despite all your talk of how humans have thrived in warmer times when we don't actually have evidence of anything like that and people and times have changed.



I don't actually know what the fallout will look like but it isn't looking good and I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that it's going to be less costly to deal with than to take more drastic measures right now. Climate models definitely aren't perfect but they also aren't necessarily wrong in any particular direction. Sometimes they actually understate the significance of the issues at hand. It isn't a case where it can just be dismissed as overstating the situation.

Zoom out a bit:

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

[Induveca]

It's the end of the world, as we know it...

or fake news by scientists with agendas.

World's oceans have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, study finds

A new study has found that the world's oceans absorbed 60% more heat per year than previously believed, findings that could have serious implications in the fight against climate change.

The research, published in the journal Nature Wednesday, suggests that the Earth is even more sensitive to fossil fuel emissions than experts thought.

Oceans absorb 90% of the excess heat trapped in the world's atmosphere, according to the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA).

The paper's author, Laure Resplandy, said she and her colleagues found that the the oceans had absorbed significantly more heat than had been estimated in a landmark 2014 study from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Climate scientists say rising ocean temperatures have fueled more powerful storms and are killing off underwater wildlife like Australia's Great Barrier Reef.

The study comes weeks after a dire report from the United Nations warned that humanity has just 10 years to act to avoid disastrous levels of global warming, urging governments to make "rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society."

The UN report found that the planet will reach the crucial threshold of 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels by as early as 2030, precipitating the risk of extreme drought, wildfires, floods and food shortages for hundreds of millions of people.

CNN

Good thing about this is we know these numbers have never fluctuated in the past 15 years. Oh wait. Miami was supposed to be underwater this year.

As people make billions on new green tech etc (hey even I paid a ton in condo fees for huge solar panels on one of my buildings) we can at least be happy despite the political brawls that tech is here to stay.

Solar is pretty damn cheap now, and as Tesla’s batteries become more affordable I’ll buy them just to save money to power my few buildings.

[nate33]

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

Sure. But the point is, to expect a static climate is ridiculous. It's going to fluctuate.

[Induveca]

Wait, you don't believe any climate models... except the one that painting rooftops and streets white would make a significant difference. Without even considering where all that reflected light would actually wind up (think people's eyes) or the fact that all the parts of glacier/snow-covered earth is receding would cause a lot more earth to not be covered in white. And the evidence that a hotter world becomes a more violent world.

I do agree with you on technology being the solution, though. So let's give technology a chance rather than forcing it into a David vs Goliath battle for survival from the start. The details are definitely subject to negotiation but the general idea to find a new path shouldn't really be in dispute at this point, despite all your talk of how humans have thrived in warmer times when we don't actually have evidence of anything like that and people and times have changed.



I don't actually know what the fallout will look like but it isn't looking good and I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that it's going to be less costly to deal with than to take more drastic measures right now. Climate models definitely aren't perfect but they also aren't necessarily wrong in any particular direction. Sometimes they actually understate the significance of the issues at hand. It isn't a case where it can just be dismissed as overstating the situation.

Zoom out a bit:

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

But what caused the fluctuation? It wasn’t SUVs.....

[Jamaaliver]

In the face a consensus otherwise, are we still clinging to the belief that humans have had no impact on climate change?

Based on political affiliation?

It's interesting how the narrative changed from "climate change is a hoax" to "climate change is inevitable" by the political right in a matter of years.

[dckingsfan]

I think I wrote a few months back when that even if global warming wasn't happening, cutting emissions is STILL the right thing to do because pumping particulates into the air is clearly a bad thing. You don't have to go back eons to see the difference in air quality from the 70s to today, and you can even see it in real life by hopping on a plane and flying to Beijing.

I just don't get the resistance of moving to renewable fuels. Everything from Trump taxing the solar industry to death to rolling back pollution regs... it's pure unadulterated stupidity.

just helping

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

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Noooothinggggg burga!!!

[Ruzious]

Much respect to the entire Pittsburg Steelers organization. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/30/1808567/-The-entire-Steelers-team-was-at-funerals-today

[dckingsfan]

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

But what caused the fluctuation? It wasn’t SUVs.....

So, getting past the politics and hysteria which you seem to be doing - we don't care.

What we do care is about maintaining our lifestyle and the human race.

Clearly, global warming won't help either of those two things. Mass migration out of Africa due to desertification can't be helpful, right? So, why not take a technology approach to this problem?

If you have 20 people manually entering forms - why not automate?

If you can reduce climate change by reducing greenhouse gases (regardless of the base cause of the fluctuation), you do it, right?

[dckingsfan]

In the face a consensus otherwise, are we still clinging to the belief that humans have had no impact on climate change?

Based on political affiliation?

It's interesting how the narrative changed from "climate change is a hoax" to "climate change is inevitable and we are too feeble to do anything about it" by the political right in a matter of years.

Just helping

[JWizmentality]

Watch on YouTube

Don't drop the soap!

[Pointgod]

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

But what caused the fluctuation? It wasn’t SUVs.....

So, getting past the politics and hysteria which you seem to be doing - we don't care.

What we do care is about maintaining our lifestyle and the human race.

Clearly, global warming won't help either of those two things. Mass migration out of Africa due to desertification can't be helpful, right? So, why not take a technology approach to this problem?

If you have 20 people manually entering forms - why not automate?

If you can reduce climate change by reducing greenhouse gases (regardless of the base cause of the fluctuation), you do it, right?

You’re bringing logic and reason to the argument. What are you a socialist?

[Induveca]

Didn't we lose a few species in these intervals

But what caused the fluctuation? It wasn’t SUVs.....

So, getting past the politics and hysteria which you seem to be doing - we don't care.

What we do care is about maintaining our lifestyle and the human race.

Clearly, global warming won't help either of those two things. Mass migration out of Africa due to desertification can't be helpful, right? So, why not take a technology approach to this problem?

If you have 20 people manually entering forms - why not automate?

If you can reduce climate change by reducing greenhouse gases (regardless of the base cause of the fluctuation), you do it, right?

If you worked for me I’d fire you.

I’ve used this before.

“Tomorrow’s social problems don’t keep my business alive today. Find a middle ground that satisfies employee social concerns and the reality of competition. Or we’re all out of a job.”

If not, I’d fire you. You don’t plan a small business that lasts an average of 5 years off of 100 year models.

[Pointgod]

So Trump just dropped the veil and went full on facist. Not even a week after Kentucky and Pittsburgh and he’s advocating violence again. Your President is truly an unredeemable piece of trash.

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[TGW]

These are your centrist democrats:

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Just terrible.

[verbal8]

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While Oprah would be a compelling candidate, I think we are better off if she doesn't run.

However I think we need people like Oprah to speak up more. I think there has been a significant public push pack on Trump, which is good. But I think we also need it on the positive side, supporting those candidates that will help improve the country.

[verbal8]

The greatest fighting force in human history, on the border like:

Is that the first member of the Trump family ever serving in the military?

[verbal8]

This is long overdue. Dude has been a stain on American politics for the last decade. An embarrassment to the people of Iowa.
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Do parphrase Andrew Gillum "I am not saying Steve King is a racist, but his re-tweets do".

[verbal8]

Steve King, Brian Kemp and Ted Cruz I want to see go down in absolute flames this election. What this race does show is that people are finally starting to call King out on his racism (media doesn’t do its job) and now he’s facing consequences.

Even when King does win, he’s toast next time. It should show Democrats the value in actually running candidates in races they previously thought were unwinnable.

I would add Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins to that list.