The Javale McGee Appreciation Thread

[Wizards2Lottery]

I think eventually Javale wiil turn out to be a much better player than Tyson Chandler.

[nate33]

Pace-adjusted per-36 numbers for each player over their first 5 seasons:

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camby,mar  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2000-01   13.8 13.2  0.9  1.2  2.5  1.1  3.7 .525 .559 20.9
1999-00   14.6 11.2  1.2  1.0  2.8  1.7  4.9 .481 .529 19.0
1998-99   13.4 10.3  0.5  1.2  3.0  1.6  5.3 .521 .537 17.6
1997-98   14.1  8.6  2.0  1.3  4.2  2.5  3.7 .412 .448 16.2
1996-97   18.4  7.8  1.9  1.3  2.6  2.6  4.2 .483 .523 18.0

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chandler,  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2005-06    7.1 12.1  1.4  0.7  1.8  2.1  5.1 .565 .567 12.2
2004-05   10.6 12.9  1.1  1.1  2.3  2.0  4.5 .494 .565 16.5
2003-04   10.0 12.7  1.1  0.8  2.0  1.8  4.1 .424 .507 14.4
2002-03   13.6 10.1  1.5  0.7  2.1  2.7  4.3 .531 .565 15.8
2001-02   11.8  9.3  1.5  0.8  2.5  2.7  4.8 .497 .543 13.1

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mcgee,jav  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2010-11   12.0 10.7  0.7  1.1  3.9  2.0  3.9 .590 .598 19.2
2009-10   14.7  9.3  0.5  0.6  3.9  1.9  4.6 .508 .539 17.2
2008-09   15.7  9.7  0.7  1.1  2.4  2.0  5.0 .489 .530 16.9

He really seems to be tracking with Marcus Camby very well. Like Camby, he played a couple of years in college but came to the NBA with a frame that was too slight for NBA competition. The only difference is that McGee is taller and even more athletic than Camby.

[sashae]

I think "lost season" may have been the wrong phrase to use in this case -- the team has extraordinarily low expectations at this point, considering how much it's been blown up, and I don't think making the playoffs is important this year, with as many changes as we've seen and so little experience for our now prime players.

That being said, I do agree that Flip is probably not the best guy for this squad -- honestly, I'd rather Cassell ran the show over Flip, not because Flip is a bad coach se, but rather that he's not as much of a teacher but rather an organizer of men. Sam seems to relate better to the players (due to his recent playing days) and is much more on top of teaching tricks of the trade, rather than Flip who wants a bunch of professionals to execute his system. It's a shame, because I think Flip is a talented guy, just not a good fit right now...

[nate33]

By the way, McGee's numbers right now are just awesome. 12, 11 and 4 per 36 with a TS% of 60%? That's every team's wet dream for a center. If McGee can post those numbers while continuing to cut back on the mistakes, he'll be a top 7 center in this league.

[LyricalRico]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

[Severn Hoos]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jar ... nger-5029/

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jared-sullinger

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=51405

[nate33]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

It may not be necessary. McGee is averaging 10.9 boards per 36 on the season, 11.1 boards per 36 over the last 8 games, and 12.8 boards per 36 over the last 4 games. His per-minute rebounding is improving even as he is playing more total minutes per game.

If McGee can be a 12 boards per 36 type of rebounder, we won't need a double-digit rebounding grunt alongside him. We can get away with a 9 board per 36 player like Blatche, and then benefit from Blatche's versatility on offense. (Blatche needs to defend better and shoot more efficiently though.)

[Dat2U]

It does look like the light has gone on for Javale. I thought much like Blatche last season, it was possible for this to happen but I didn't expect to see it this early in the season. I was thinking towards the 2nd half of the year. I'd say he's our 3rd best player right now behind Arenas & Wall. His play will go a long way to making us competitive much sooner than later. Add in a healthy Wall & Howard and making the playoffs THIS season becomes a strong possibility.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jar ... nger-5029/

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jared-sullinger

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=51405

After reading each of those links about Sullinger, comparisons to Scola, Millsap, Al Jefferson, Lonny Baxter, and Richard Hendrix are all impressive. Looking at his stats, more impressive than his 18 and 10 is his outrageously efficient 1.70 points per shot. Off the top of my head, that figure is very reminiscent of Carlos Boozer.

I'm not really following the college game, but just from a cursory glance, Sullinger's numbers look a whole lot better than the more highly-touted Harrison Barnes.

Sev, Sullinger looks like the perfect player next to McGee.

(Also, the Wizards would really looks smart if they offered a FA deal to Richard Hendrix if they don't draft Sullinger or somebody really impactful at PF.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It does look like the light has gone on for Javale. I thought much like Blatche last season, it was possible for this to happen but I didn't expect to see it this early in the season. I was thinking towards the 2nd half of the year. I'd say he's our 3rd best player right now behind Arenas & Wall. His play will go a long way to making us competitive much sooner than later. Add in a healthy Wall & Howard and making the playoffs THIS season becomes a strong possibility.

Yep, it really is much sooner than anyone could have predicted. This season's only 12 games old. There are a whole 70 regular season games left. If McGee maintains this current energy and production, while making fewer mental mistakes that come with playing time and experience; he's in for have a very good season. If he adds some offense, he's in for a great season.

When Howard comes back this team will be much improved.

They signed Gee, who I think's the best SF on the roster at least until Howard comes back.

Things are looking up, particularly if McGee can keep this up.

[hands11]

Pace-adjusted per-36 numbers for each player over their first 5 seasons:

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camby,mar  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2000-01   13.8 13.2  0.9  1.2  2.5  1.1  3.7 .525 .559 20.9
1999-00   14.6 11.2  1.2  1.0  2.8  1.7  4.9 .481 .529 19.0
1998-99   13.4 10.3  0.5  1.2  3.0  1.6  5.3 .521 .537 17.6
1997-98   14.1  8.6  2.0  1.3  4.2  2.5  3.7 .412 .448 16.2
1996-97   18.4  7.8  1.9  1.3  2.6  2.6  4.2 .483 .523 18.0

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chandler,  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2005-06    7.1 12.1  1.4  0.7  1.8  2.1  5.1 .565 .567 12.2
2004-05   10.6 12.9  1.1  1.1  2.3  2.0  4.5 .494 .565 16.5
2003-04   10.0 12.7  1.1  0.8  2.0  1.8  4.1 .424 .507 14.4
2002-03   13.6 10.1  1.5  0.7  2.1  2.7  4.3 .531 .565 15.8
2001-02   11.8  9.3  1.5  0.8  2.5  2.7  4.8 .497 .543 13.1

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mcgee,jav  PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO   PF eFG%  TS%  PER
2010-11   12.0 10.7  0.7  1.1  3.9  2.0  3.9 .590 .598 19.2
2009-10   14.7  9.3  0.5  0.6  3.9  1.9  4.6 .508 .539 17.2
2008-09   15.7  9.7  0.7  1.1  2.4  2.0  5.0 .489 .530 16.9

He really seems to be tracking with Marcus Camby very well. Like Camby, he played a couple of years in college but came to the NBA with a frame that was too slight for NBA competition. The only difference is that McGee is taller and even more athletic than Camby.

Nate, Thanks for the charts. That makes the comparisons easier to see without clicking all over the internet.

For all the impatience that has been shown on the board, some things just take time. It was easy to have huge questions about if he was going to get it, but it was more likely it was, WHEN. He has been putting in the work.

One thing that McGee has going for him is that he does want to be a great impact player. He may had focused on some of the wrong things but he does give the energy and he does have the drive and he puts in the work. When you add his height, freak athleticism and age, you would have to think that eventually that was going to produce something good/great. But when ?

I feel pretty confident that he will continue to focus on the rebounding, better positioning, better timing on blocks. His timing on his blocks has looks a lot better lately. He is staying down a lot more. Seems the light bulb is going on in his head.

I think the kid has made a ton of progress this year already. And it's only been like 12 games. Almost scary to think what kind of season in total he could have if he keeps this up. I mean, the kid is totally capable of averaging like 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks a game if he does that along with pts he just in hustle with put backs, etc, 10 pts a game seems pretty doable. And if all that happens, that changes the level of this teams play a lot. Biggest question was always what we had at center. If that is being addressed before our vary eyes, me thinks we are going to win more games this year.

[hands11]

I think "lost season" may have been the wrong phrase to use in this case -- the team has extraordinarily low expectations at this point, considering how much it's been blown up, and I don't think making the playoffs is important this year, with as many changes as we've seen and so little experience for our now prime players.

That being said, I do agree that Flip is probably not the best guy for this squad -- honestly, I'd rather Cassell ran the show over Flip, not because Flip is a bad coach se, but rather that he's not as much of a teacher but rather an organizer of men. Sam seems to relate better to the players (due to his recent playing days) and is much more on top of teaching tricks of the trade, rather than Flip who wants a bunch of professionals to execute his system. It's a shame, because I think Flip is a talented guy, just not a good fit right now...

Last I checked, I think we have both of those guys so I would seem we get the benefit of both of their skills sets which seems to be showing results in players getting better. I think to often coaches, GMs, and even players get evaluated in a bubble. Sometimes it helps to see the whole team that is in place.

Ted, EG, Flip, Sam, Players

I like this combination better than anything I have seem here since, well, the 70's.
Never really cared for Abe as the owner. We had something going back with Nash and the Irishman but sadly, Abe turned on Nash and that whole thing blow up. Before that, you would have to go back to the 70s. That was Abe's peak as an own. Pre Wes in the front office.

I wouldn't judge this team by it's record just yet.

[hands11]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

That is something that will need looked at as time goes on. I know I did a Dray and McGee post a little while ago and said that, even though I have been a big Dray supporter, that eventually, they may look at moving him if he can't develop more of a power game.

Dray has the body to be a physical player. With McGee seeming to have turned the corner, Flip has to get back to working on Dray. Don't give up him just yet, but we are looking pretty sweet regarding our options. Credit has to go to Ted and EG for putting us in a good position with the upside players we have that are all young and on good contracts.

Things are shaping up nicely.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

That is something that will need looked at as time goes on. I know I did a Dray and McGee post a little while ago and said that, even though I have been a big Dray supporter, that eventually, they may look at moving him if he can't develop more of a power game.

Dray has the body to be a physical player. With McGee seeming to have turned the corner, Flip has to get back to working on Dray. Don't give up him just yet, but we are looking pretty sweet regarding our options. Credit has to go to Ted and EG for putting us in a good position with the upside players we have that are all young and on good contracts.

Things are shaping up nicely.

Nah, the way I see it Dray is 24 and on a real cheap deal. He was mentored by Jamison and had to practice against Brendan for years. Dray is drifting out on shots and looking as if he's injured this season. HOWEVER, after the trade last season Andray played like an all star. I think he's at the very least a player nearly on a par with Lamarcus Aldridge. Blatche is a serious baller. Keep him like the Wizards kept Antawn, provided Andray's professionalism (7 day Dray stuff) stays where it is.

I think ideally, the Wizards steal a guy like Cousins, while keeping both Blatche and McGee. Imagine those guys in 5 years; particularly if Wall's game grows over those 5 years!

And okay, say realisically there's no way the Wizards get Cousins. I think they can possibly get Howard as a FA in a couple seasons. If not him, somebody like Bynum or Odom or Hibbert. Washington's going to become a great destination for bigs. Chandler next season is really something I can see.

Also, for not moving Blatche I think all the Wizards need to do is draft Faried and sign Richard Hendrix to a FA deal. Get tough guys who rebound to complement the finesse bigs and the Wizards compete night in and night out.

[hands11]

Gotta say that I'm please with McGee the last few games. My fave part of the stats nate put up? Seeing McGee's PER increase while his fouls per game go down. That tells me he's getting smarter. HIm becoming a more athletic Camby would be pretty sweet. Would love to have a bruising post-up PF next to him, though.

That is something that will need looked at as time goes on. I know I did a Dray and McGee post a little while ago and said that, even though I have been a big Dray supporter, that eventually, they may look at moving him if he can't develop more of a power game.

Dray has the body to be a physical player. With McGee seeming to have turned the corner, Flip has to get back to working on Dray. Don't give up him just yet, but we are looking pretty sweet regarding our options. Credit has to go to Ted and EG for putting us in a good position with the upside players we have that are all young and on good contracts.

Things are shaping up nicely.

Nah, the way I see it Dray is 24 and on a real cheap deal. He was mentored by Jamison and had to practice against Brendan for years. Dray is drifting out on shots and looking as if he's injured this season. HOWEVER, after the trade last season Andray played like an all star. I think he's at the very least a player nearly on a par with Lamarcus Aldridge. Blatche is a serious baller. Keep him like the Wizards kept Antawn, provided Andray's professionalism (7 day Dray stuff) stays where it is.

I think ideally, the Wizards steal a guy like Cousins, while keeping both Blatche and McGee. Imagine those guys in 5 years; particularly if Wall's game grows over those 5 years!

And okay, say realisically there's no way the Wizards get Cousins. I think they can possibly get Howard as a FA in a couple seasons. If not him, somebody like Bynum or Odom or Hibbert. Washington's going to become a great destination for bigs. Chandler next season is really something I can see.

Also, for not moving Blatche I think all the Wizards need to do is draft Faried and sign Richard Hendrix to a FA deal. Get tough guys who rebound to complement the finesse bigs and the Wizards compete night in and night out.

So did you some how read that I said trade Dray from what I wrote ?

[Rafael122]

24 points, 18 boards. Jesus Christ. Have we found our center? This isn't even a contract year so I can't use the "well, he wants to get paid" excuse. If we can find a bruiser down low...

[Rafael122]

24 points, 18 boards. Jesus Christ. Have we found our center? This isn't even a contract year so I can't use the "well, he wants to get paid" excuse. If we can find a bruiser down low...

[Benjammin]

46 minutes tonight, not too shabby either.

[LyricalRico]

24 points, 18 boards. Jesus Christ. Have we found our center? This isn't even a contract year so I can't use the "well, he wants to get paid" excuse. If we can find a bruiser down low...

It's actually pronounced "JaVale McGee".

I've been on record as saying that he would never reach his potential but even my jaw has been on the floor the past week or so. Seriously, this guy looks NOTHING like what we've seen the first two seasons he's been here. It's like night and day. If he keeps this up, we will have the two most important positions on the team solved for the next 10 years.

[Halcyon]

I have to wonder how he'll hold up playing at this kind of motor. He literally goes after every offensive rebound. I mean, it's awesome on one hand, but I can't see that continuing for too long, I don't know if anybody can play like that in the entire league. Hope I'm wrong though!