closg00 wrote:hands11 wrote:closg00 wrote:This should be good. Who was mismanaging the team for so long Hands? 

 
  
 You asking who was in the front office before EG was there ?
 
YOU made the comment, not me Hands. WHO managed the team during the time-frame YOU wrote was "mismanaged for so long"? There is only one answer Hands, GRUNFELD  
 
  
Wrong again Closg.  I was talking about before EG was here.  Mostly the worst of what I was talking about involved Abe and Wes combo with Wes either the HC or the GM.  Lets take a walk down memory lane.
Abe/Nash/Jimmy - actually rebuilt the team pretty well.  But Abe blow it up. Fired Nash before he finished.
Abe/MJ/Collins - That was mostly a clean up job after the franchise was a mess from Abe/Wes.. rock bottom.
Most the long nightmare was Abe/Wes though.
Nash showed up in 1990 after Bobby Ferry.  You know who the HC was..  WES UNSELD..  He had been for the previous 2 years. Nash didn't want him but he couldn't get ride of him ( see EG/EFJ).  Why, cuz he was Abe hand picked by the owner.  Sound familiar ?  Owner, Coach, GM  

 Only way worse. Abe loved Wes.
Nash finally won out and he hired Jimmy Lynam in 1994. Nash had to deal with Wes for 4 years before that.
Nash had started to collect some talent.  Jimmy started in 1994 with 21 wins, ended with a playoff birth in 1996 with 44
Here is the team Nash left them with
Rod Strickland 3M, Tim Legler, Whitney, Murry, Harvey Grant, C Webber, Juan Howard, Big George, Ben Wallace
You want to see the team Nash inherited ?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WSB/1991.htmlNash was brought in after Bob Ferry and years of Wizard making the playoffs and losing in the first round. Then two years of not even making the playoff with Wes as HC.  Abe finally excepted he had to do a hard rebuild...like Ted is doing now. Only Wes was kept as HC so it was a dysfunction rebuild.
Well we got 2 years of Nash and Jimmy at the end of Nash's tenure, then Abe happened again.  Fired Nash.  You know who he put in as GM.
WES UNSELD.  
The Coach Nash couldn't fire. So Nash rebuilt it, and Abe handed it over to Wes.  Abe/Web brought in  
B. Bickerstaff.  That lasted two years.  Then we got G. Heard part of a year replaced by Darryl Walker.
MJ showed up in 2000 after the team had hit rock bottom. And they had 3 suck ass contracts to boot.
Juwan Howard 	$16,875,000
Mitch Richmond 	$10,000,000
Rod Strickland 	$10,000,000
And IIRC, no picks either.  And they sucked so bad, the best HC they could land was L. Hamilton that first year. MJ almost had someone else better come. Can't remember the name. Someone he was connected to in Chicago I think.
But in year two, MJ was able to draw D Collins who was at least a legit coach.  MJ had to blow it up because the team was at a dead end with no picks and huge contracts.  Another hard rest.  Cleaned up those three crap contracts.  He blow the Rip Hamilton asset along the way but MJ put cash in Abe pocket.  He brought some shine back to the franchise that was at rock bottom. Actually, the league was doing really bad as a whole after the last strike.  People watched again. And like I said, he cleaned up the mess.  So Abe fired him.  Hand picked his next HC, then brought in an actual legit GM.  First one since Nash who had left in 1996.  Its now 2003.  8 years of WTF all because Abe fired Nash to put Wes in as GM.
Well EG road out 5 years of EFJ like Nash road out Wes.  Then we got Flip, but Gil pulled out a gun, Abe died, and the team had to get rebuild again.  And here we are.  Only no Abe to derail things this time.
Maybe you weren't around for any of this.  Me.. I had a front row seat.  The owner > HC > GM thing with 
Abe >EFJ>EG wasn't the first time Abe had done that.   The Abe/Wes love pairing was the joke of the league for at least 10 years.  Abe>Wes>Nash was the first time Abe set up a dysfunctional front office. 
So for those that don't seem to get why I bring up Abe, look at history.  He did all those things.  He set up dysfunctional front offices. He changed direction just when things were getting better.  And he put his HC in place over the GMs.  And he got stuck on people.  Specially Wes.  
Thats the period I was talking about.  Before EG.  
So are Ted>EG>Randy the best in the league.  No.  But man, I don't look a gift horse in the month.  It could be so much worse.  It was.  I lived through it.  I like Randy.  From what I can tell about Ted, he seems to have a steady hand and is a decent dude.  EG ? Still trying to see who he is in this better situation.  At a min he is average. I suspect a little better then average.  So given what I have seen in the past under Abe, I'm not upset with the front office we have.  Again, it could be so much worse.  Will I be upset if EG gets extended another two year.  Nahh. I would understand Ted decided that.  Last time we looked this good, they fired Nash before they were finished rebuilding.  
But regardless of who the GM is, Ted is in a delicate place right now.  What he does next will either continue to build them up, or it could derail them.
See yea in the playoff  
