The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #781 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:43 pm

Tyrus Thomas could do like the Nets' Andray Blatche. Amnestied by a lousy Charlotte Bobcats team, he could find new motivation at his next stop.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... aty01.html

A seven year pro, Tyrus Thomas is the same age as Andray Blatche, soon 27 years old. Tyrus had some good seasons with the Bulls, and one very strong playoffs a while back. Thomas is a really athletic leaper, and IMO is like Josh Smith.

--Thomas was the #4 pick in the 2006 draft, (after Bargnani, Aldridge, and Adam Morrison). No doubt, the physical talent is there (but where's his head???).

--Thomas should be available for the veteran minimum; just like Andray is for Brooklyn.

He's way better than Vesely and IMO better than Booker, too. If Tyrus Thomas checks out mentally, drug-test wise, etc., given his age; his best basketball could be ahead of him. It could simply be he quit on the Bobcats two years ago, after Charlotte management made trades and they got rid of Paul Silas. They went from playoffs to outhouse in record time.

The Wizards are good at reviving careers. I see no reason why the Wizards shouldn't at least inquire. It would be great to get back better than what they gave up with Blatche.

Kanyewest · Post #782 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:58 pm

I doubt Prokhorov is going to actually pay AK47 on the side. I think that AK47 overestimated his value like Ellis. Still, Kirelinko's mistake will only cost him 7 Million, Ellis's mistake could cost him at least $20 million because he turned down an extension from the Bucks.

Nivek · Post #783 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:01 pm

I wouldn't have much interest in Thomas beyond a non-guaranteed league minimum training camp kinda deal. He's been just as unproductive the past couple seasons as Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin have been. In 2011-12, his PPA was 24. Last season, he posted a 17. This past season, Singleton rated a 24, Seraphin a 22 and Vesely a 19. Remember that average is 100 and that replacement level is 45.

That said, Thomas has had a few seasons where he was a reasonably competent player, including a season in Chicago where he rated a little above average. Not dissimilar from Blatche in that regard. Blatche's final season in Washington, he posted a PPA of 42. The year before, he was at 107.

It's certainly possible that Thomas can turn things around. He'd need to be doing something similar to what Blatche did -- put in the work on his body and change his game to start doing things NBA teams need.

Dat2U · Post #784 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:04 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Tyrus Thomas could do like the Nets' Andray Blatche. Amnestied by a lousy Charlotte Bobcats team, he could find new motivation at his next stop.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... aty01.html

A seven year pro, Tyrus Thomas is the same age as Andray Blatche, soon 27 years old. Tyrus had some good seasons with the Bulls, and one very strong playoffs a while back. Thomas is a really athletic leaper, and IMO is like Josh Smith.

--Thomas was the #4 pick in the 2006 draft, (after Bargnani, Aldridge, and Adam Morrison). No doubt, the physical talent is there (but where's his head???).

--Thomas should be available for the veteran minimum; just like Andray is for Brooklyn.

He's way better than Vesely and IMO better than Booker, too. If Tyrus Thomas checks out mentally, drug-test wise, etc., given his age; his best basketball could be ahead of him. It could simply be he quit on the Bobcats two years ago, after Charlotte management made trades and they got rid of Paul Silas. They went from playoffs to outhouse in record time.

The Wizards are good at reviving careers. I see no reason why the Wizards shouldn't at least inquire. It would be great to get back better than what they gave up with Blatche.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to take a look. Problem is Thomas' lack of skill. He's never really worked on his game. Him & Vesely are similar in that both are very athletic but can hardly do anything with a ball in their hands. He's another guy where it's like playing 4 on 5 offensively when he's in the game so I'm skeptical about him actually helping us.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #785 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:10 pm

Kanyewest wrote:I doubt Prokhorov is going to actually pay AK47 on the side. I think that AK47 overestimated his value like Ellis. Still, Kirelinko's mistake will only cost him 7 Million, Ellis's mistake could cost him at least $20 million because he turned down an extension from the Bucks.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lan01.html

At the very bottom line of that link it says career earnings

$101,226,763

That's over $9M a year for each of his 11 NBA seasons.

At his peak year AK made $17.8M. Who knows what he made in 2011-2012, when he was Euroleague MVP with CSKA Moscow. Andrei Kirilenko has made a lot of coin. Right, Kanyewest. That 7M is not that much to him.

Seems to me this move is about his legacy. If he plays 5 more seasons, and wins a championship or two, Kirilenko could have a HOF career. He's a much better player than given credit. He might get his props soon enough.

Post #786 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:27 pm

^ That's probably the best argument I've heard, CCJ but I still don't buy it. If he only cared about legacy and not money, then why not sign on the cheap with team like the Spurs or Heat when he first returned to the league last summer? But he didn't do that, he took Minnesota's money. Did that much change in the past year for him to now say "I don't care about money, I just want a title"?

Even if he has changed his outlook, why sign with a team where he won't even be competing for a starting spot? If money isn't an issue, he could sign for the minimum or LLE with any contender, right? He'd start in Miami, or Houston, or LA. He'd probably get more minutes/touches in San Antonio or Indiana even if he was a reserve. If I'm a guy looking for a ring, I could argue in favor of any of those places over Brooklyn.

Unless there's an alternative involving one of my billionaire countrymen. In that case, "I jump in it".

Post #787 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:37 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Tyrus Thomas could do like the Nets' Andray Blatche. Amnestied by a lousy Charlotte Bobcats team, he could find new motivation at his next stop.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... aty01.html

A seven year pro, Tyrus Thomas is the same age as Andray Blatche, soon 27 years old. Tyrus had some good seasons with the Bulls, and one very strong playoffs a while back. Thomas is a really athletic leaper, and IMO is like Josh Smith.

--Thomas was the #4 pick in the 2006 draft, (after Bargnani, Aldridge, and Adam Morrison). No doubt, the physical talent is there (but where's his head???).

--Thomas should be available for the veteran minimum; just like Andray is for Brooklyn.

He's way better than Vesely and IMO better than Booker, too. If Tyrus Thomas checks out mentally, drug-test wise, etc., given his age; his best basketball could be ahead of him. It could simply be he quit on the Bobcats two years ago, after Charlotte management made trades and they got rid of Paul Silas. They went from playoffs to outhouse in record time.

The Wizards are good at reviving careers. I see no reason why the Wizards shouldn't at least inquire. It would be great to get back better than what they gave up with Blatche.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to take a look. Problem is Thomas' lack of skill. He's never really worked on his game. Him & Vesely are similar in that both are very athletic but can hardly do anything with a ball in their hands. He's another guy where it's like playing 4 on 5 offensively when he's in the game so I'm skeptical about him actually helping us.

CJ Leslie is another example. He probably was one of the top handful of physically gifted players eligible for the draft, but he did nothing to improve himself while in college. Him not getting drafted (at least I don't think he did) is a sign that NBA GM's are getting smarter.

Kanyewest · Post #788 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:45 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Tyrus Thomas could do like the Nets' Andray Blatche. Amnestied by a lousy Charlotte Bobcats team, he could find new motivation at his next stop.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... aty01.html

A seven year pro, Tyrus Thomas is the same age as Andray Blatche, soon 27 years old. Tyrus had some good seasons with the Bulls, and one very strong playoffs a while back. Thomas is a really athletic leaper, and IMO is like Josh Smith.

--Thomas was the #4 pick in the 2006 draft, (after Bargnani, Aldridge, and Adam Morrison). No doubt, the physical talent is there (but where's his head???).

--Thomas should be available for the veteran minimum; just like Andray is for Brooklyn.

He's way better than Vesely and IMO better than Booker, too. If Tyrus Thomas checks out mentally, drug-test wise, etc., given his age; his best basketball could be ahead of him. It could simply be he quit on the Bobcats two years ago, after Charlotte management made trades and they got rid of Paul Silas. They went from playoffs to outhouse in record time.

The Wizards are good at reviving careers. I see no reason why the Wizards shouldn't at least inquire. It would be great to get back better than what they gave up with Blatche.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to take a look. Problem is Thomas' lack of skill. He's never really worked on his game. Him & Vesely are similar in that both are very athletic but can hardly do anything with a ball in their hands. He's another guy where it's like playing 4 on 5 offensively when he's in the game so I'm skeptical about him actually helping us.

CJ Leslie is another example. He probably was one of the top handful of physically gifted players eligible for the draft, but he did nothing to improve himself while in college. Him not getting drafted (at least I don't think he did) is a sign that NBA GM's are getting smarter.

Glen Davis, a fellow teammate of Thomas at LSU, has turned out to have a better career. I wonder if a GM would have taken Davis higher than Thomas in today's NBA.

Upper Decker · Post #789 » by **Upper Decker** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 pm

Doubt it, remember how much Dickie V was pimping Thomas after he shut down Reddick in the NCAA's that year? Figured Thomas was walking straight from the draft to the HoF.

Kanyewest · Post #790 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Ellis signs with for 3 years for $30 million- $25 million guaranteed.

jivelikenice · Post #791 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:43 pm

Not too high on Thomas at all. He can't really shoot it and also struggled at the rim. There's probably a better player out there available for the vet minimum.

gwizz · Post #792 » by **gwizz** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:49 pm

I know Oden to the Heat will likely be a done deal, but anyone like the idea of testing Oden out here in DC?

Upper Decker · Post #793 » by **Upper Decker** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:45 pm

I'd actually be interested in bringing in Brand for the vet minimum. I'd be surprised if he get's much more than that. I'd rather have a FA big on a 1 year deal so as to preserve future cap space.

dorianwrite · Post #794 » by **dorianwrite** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:28 pm

Tyrus Thomas is a head case. Like Nancy Reagan in an opium den, just say no.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #795 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:40 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/356157536895909888[/tweet]

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #796 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:42 pm

BigDoggyStyle wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/356157536895909888[/tweet]

BigDoggyStyle posted this tweet in the Bucks thread.

Nate Robinson on the Wizards will be good if it happens.

I will be happy for Dat because he believed early on Robinson.

Dat2U · Post #797 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:49 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
BigDoggyStyle wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/356157536895909888[/tweet]

BigDoggyStyle posted this tweet in the Bucks thread.

Nate Robinson on the Wizards will be good if it happens.

I will be happy for Dat because he believed early on Robinson.

I don't see how they get Nate unless Chicago still has the ability to S&T. Him taking the vet minimum again seems like a stretch.

jivelikenice · Post #798 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:41 am

Hmmm...his role here would be basically a backup two. The need for backcourt bench scoring is still there, just interesting with Maynor already here.

hands11 · Post #799 » by **hands11** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:33 am

Looking at Nate. Looking at Blair.

I think the Wizards are just getting their name out there. Why not. Get some exposure. See how reps and player are responding to what you are building. And you never know what might happen. Either now or down the road. Plant some seeds if nothing else. Let players know they are the type you are interested in.

Plus it makes the news so other players and team see you are active. Free PR.

jivelikenice · Post #800 » by **jivelikenice** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:46 am

I don't think much of the Nate interest but the interest in Blair was reported by Woj and he's usually on it. Plus Ernie plays thing very close to the vest. Outside of consolidating our seconds ths year, you rarely here of an Ernie move until its done so PR seems irrelevant to him.