Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

Kanyewest · Post #781 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:26 pm

queridiculo wrote:Ahh, the old Pollin forced Ernie's hand story is making its rounds again.

Ernie has been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's a story he floated at some point.

It doesn't speak too well of ownership for keeping EG around after making such a bad trade. The fact is though the trade did put the Wizards under the luxury tax but ultimately a poor evaluation of the draft all around.

Post #782 » by **pineappleheadindc** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:17 am

queridiculo wrote:Ahh, the old Pollin forced Ernie's hand story is making its rounds again.

Ernie has been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's a story he floated at some point.

milellie111 · Post #783 » by **milellie111** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:34 am

queridiculo wrote:Ahh, the old Pollin forced Ernie's hand story is making its rounds again.

Ernie has been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's a story he floated at some point.

You can't deny the wonderful state this franchise is in now. The proof is in performance. You can clearly see how a talented GM backed by an owner who is a visionary has turned this franchise around for the better.

Post #784 » by **montestewart** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:46 am

No, it's the fans that make a franchise. There is no owner in franchise. There is no general manager in franchise. There is no coach in franchise. There is no player in franchise. But there's no franchise without fans.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #785 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:01 am

milellie111 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Ahh, the old Pollin forced Ernie's hand story is making its rounds again.

Ernie has been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's a story he floated at some point.

You can't deny the wonderful state this franchise is in now. The proof is in performance. You can clearly see how a talented GM backed by an owner who is a visionary has turned this franchise around for the better.

I'm a Miilllie-ite. I even and oned your last post. Your first and 1?

DCZards · Post #786 » by **DCZards** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:56 pm

milellie111 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Ahh, the old Pollin forced Ernie's hand story is making its rounds again.

Ernie has been quick to blame others for his shortcomings, wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's a story he floated at some point.

You can't deny the wonderful state this franchise is in now. The proof is in performance. You can clearly see how a talented GM backed by an owner who is a visionary has turned this franchise around for the better.

Not buying the "wonderful state" of the franchise viewpoint. New blood at GM is still needed. But, despite some bad free signings this offseason (most notably Nicholson) EG seems to have made the right move in a few areas over the past year, especially the resigning of Beal and, quite possibly, the trade for Kieff.

EG's best move, however, was moving quickly to sign Brooks to be the new head coach. I don't think Scott was going to be on the market for long.

payitforward · Post #787 » by **payitforward** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:46 am

Oh Zards... you really are a true believer!

Lets check our record at the end of the season, ok?

pcbothwel · Post #788 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 7:25 pm

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If Mahinmi comes back and shows to be the same player as last year, Brooks continues to coach well, and the team continues to play well... EG is going nowhere. The best we can hope for is EG is moved/promoted to President, then Tommy or someone else (Weaver, Zarren, etc.) are hired as GM.

You can discount his success as luck and put it all on Wall/Beal/Otto (Though I would say a ton of people on this board have advocated trading all of those players at one time or another), but the fact is Morris, Oubre, Sato, McClellan, and Smith are all clearly EG and co. moves and those are the players that have truly stepped up this last month during this torrid hot streak.

We have another couple months of play to get a bigger sample size, but for now... I cant truly be mad at Ted if EG is kept, no matter how much I think we should move on.

tontoz · Post #789 » by **tontoz** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 7:41 pm

pcbothwel wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

If Mahinmi comes back and shows to be the same player as last year, Brooks continues to coach well, and the team continues to play well... EG is going nowhere. The best we can hope for is EG is moved/promoted to President, then Tommy or someone else (Weaver, Zarren, etc.) are hired as GM.

You can discount his success as luck and put it all on Wall/Beal/Otto (Though I would say a ton of people on this board have advocated trading all of those players at one time or another), but the fact is Morris, Oubre, Sato, McClellan, and Smith are all clearly EG and co. moves and those are the players that have truly stepped up this last month during this torrid hot streak.

We have another couple months of play to get a bigger sample size, but for now... I cant truly be mad at Ted if EG is kept, no matter how much I think we should move on.

And those player are our weakness. Sure Morris has played well for a month but if you look at his play overall since he got here it is pretty weak. The bench has been a disaster all year and still is. They got outscored 54-16 by the Lakers bench.

Even if Mahinmi comes back and plays well that just means we have a good backup at C. It doesn't change the fact that our backups suck at pg/sg/pf.

If Tomas gets it going then that could change the bench narrative quite a bit.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #790 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 7:48 pm

I think Tommy Sheppard has been running our drafts for a while. And I think that's why, with the exception of 2011, we've drafted well.

pcbothwel · Post #791 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 8:12 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I think Tommy Sheppard has been running our drafts for a while. And I think that's why, with the exception of 2011, we've drafted well.

Yeah, thats why when I say "EG" I really mean the FO. Because who really knows what person/scout bangs the table for what player

pcbothwel · Post #792 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 8:24 pm

tontoz wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

If Mahinmi comes back and shows to be the same player as last year, Brooks continues to coach well, and the team continues to play well... EG is going nowhere. The best we can hope for is EG is moved/promoted to President, then Tommy or someone else (Weaver, Zarren, etc.) are hired as GM.

You can discount his success as luck and put it all on Wall/Beal/Otto (Though I would say a ton of people on this board have advocated trading all of those players at one time or another), but the fact is Morris, Oubre, Sato, McClellan, and Smith are all clearly EG and co. moves and those are the players that have truly stepped up this last month during this torrid hot streak.

We have another couple months of play to get a bigger sample size, but for now... I cant truly be mad at Ted if EG is kept, no matter how much I think we should move on.

And those player are our weakness. Sure Morris has played well for a month but if you look at his play overall since he got here it is pretty weak. The bench has been a disaster all year and still is. They got outscored 54-16 by the Lakers bench.

Even if Mahinmi comes back and plays well that just means we have a good backup at C. It doesn't change the fact that our backups suck at pg/sg/pf.

If Tomas gets it going then that could change the bench narrative quite a bit.

The Lakers bench has been good all year. Out of the 4 best players for them this year (Lou Will, NY, Nance, Black), 3 of them come off the bench.

And those player are our weakness.

Of course they are our weakness, we have one of the best starting lineups in the NBA. So our bench is not going to be nearly as effective. Each of those players is signed on for 2 years after this one, with two of them making less than the new MLE (Morris & Smith), two making about 1/3rd of the MLE (Sato & Oubre) and McLellan making the Min.

Lets see what happens over the rest of the year, but I have a feeling that Sato, Mac, Oubre, Smith, and Mahinmi is going to become more viable as we move forward.

tontoz · Post #793 » by **tontoz** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 8:27 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
Of course they are our weakness, we have one of the best starting lineups in the NBA. So our bench is not going to be nearly as effective. Each of those players is signed on for 2 years after this one, with two of them making less than the new MLE (Morris & Smith), two making about 1/3rd of the MLE (Sato & Oubre) and McLellan making the Min.

Lets see what happens over the rest of the year, but I have a feeling that Sato, Mac, Oubre, Smith, and Mahinmi is going to become more viable as we move forward.

I would hope so. The upside to the bench ranking 30th in the league is that their ranking can't get any lower.

closg00 · Post #794 » by **closg00** » Sat Feb 4, 2017 12:11 am

GSW dumped Sideshow to take a look at undrafted PG Briante Weber, I wish we had done something similar so we can dump Burke.
The weakness of this bench is not going cut-it during a competitive playoff series.

keynote · Post #795 » by **keynote** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:19 am

I'm used to Pragmatic EG and Survivalist EG. Not sure if I'm ready for Smug Trolling EG.

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leswizards · Post #796 » by **leswizards** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:39 pm

keynote wrote:I'm used to Pragmatic EG and Survivalist EG. Not sure if I'm ready for Smug Trolling EG.

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I can't stand Skip Bayless. I am perfectly fine with EG trolling him. EG happens to be right in this instance of trolling.

closg00 · Post #797 » by **closg00** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:13 pm

Ernie is GM 4-Life now, he was never in any danger of being fired.
Now get off your ass and bring us some depth for the playoffs. Burke needed to disappear yesterday, we can do better.

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TGW · Post #798 » by **TGW** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:48 pm

closg00 wrote:Ernie is GM 4-Life now, he was never in any danger of being fired.
Now get off your ass and bring us some depth for the playoffs. Burke needed to disappear yesterday, we can do better.

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Ernest "The Cat" Grunfailed really has nine lives. Unfortunately, we've seen what happens when he gets a team he thinks can "compete". Expect to see some really bad trades and signings in the near future.

I mean, he had $100MM this past summer, and has ONE competent player out of the bunch (Smith).

queridiculo · Post #799 » by **queridiculo** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:51 pm

As long as Gortat remains healthy I don't see any conceivable way that Mahinmi will ever manage to come close to living up to his contract.

Just a terrible, terrible deal for the Wizards, the repercussions of this contract are going to haunt Washington for quite some time, and Nicholson being a complete write off only make matters worse.

closg00 · Post #800 » by **closg00** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:46 pm

queridiculo wrote:As long as Gortat remains healthy I don't see any conceivable way that Mahinmi will ever manage to come close to living up to his contract.

Just a terrible, terrible deal for the Wizards, the repercussions of this contract are going to haunt Washington for quite some time, and Nicholson being a complete write off only make matters worse.

Yup, just horrible horrible horrible signing? but Ted is trolling and crowing about the state of the Wizards/Caps., Ted is satisfied.

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