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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#781 » by popper » Mon May 21, 2018 7:30 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:He did it to himself by trying to repeal the ACA instead of going after the cost drivers of healthcare and by using his second major effort for tax reform which did nothing for growth or sustainability.

Next.

so exposing the deep state is not progress?

Iran is not progress?

North korea is not progress?

China?

The deep state that he is "exposing" isn't really the deep state problem we have - so no.

Iran - sorry, no progress there. He did like Obama did in Iraq - bailed with no solution. Let's see how it plays out - but you can't count it as progress.

North Korea - you are keeping up to date with the news right? No progress.

China - Talks but no progress yet.

And more importantly, cost drivers for healthcare - nope. Policies to expand growth - nope. Policies that make for a more sustainable government - nope.


Regarding sustainable government, Rand Paul's balanced budget legislation went down in flames last week with less than half of R senators voting yes and no D's in favor. Most R's don't seem to care about sustainable government anymore. Not sure what D's think (maybe they'd be happy to raise taxes substantially in order to balance the budget - not sure but I think they'd have to widen the tax base to have any chance to achieve balance) As you've been saying for quite some time, interest on the debt and ever increasing entitlements will continue to crowd out all other spending. Ultimately, it's the American voters who are to blame for not demanding fiscal responsibility.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#782 » by gtn130 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:40 pm

popper wrote:Regarding sustainable government, Rand Paul's balanced budget legislation went down in flames last week with less than half of R senators voting yes and no D's in favor.


Lol at thinking Rand Paul earnestly cares about sustainable government. These types of legislative efforts are pure brand building designed singularly for the optics and winning votes from rubes. He voted for tax cuts.

popper wrote:Ultimately, it's the American voters who are to blame for not demanding fiscal responsibility.


What? Voters should be moonlighting as accountants for the federal government? Most Americans are huge idiots, cannot follow any of this and don't have the time anyway.

Elected officials should be responsible and honest human being who aren't owned by corporate interests. If they can't live up to that standard, they should be voted out. Expecting all Americans to have nuanced policy understanding is laughable.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#783 » by popper » Mon May 21, 2018 7:48 pm

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popper wrote:Regarding sustainable government, Rand Paul's balanced budget legislation went down in flames last week with less than half of R senators voting yes and no D's in favor.


Lol at thinking Rand Paul earnestly cares about sustainable government. These types of legislative efforts are pure brand building designed singularly for the optics and winning votes from rubes. He voted for tax cuts.

popper wrote:Ultimately, it's the American voters who are to blame for not demanding fiscal responsibility.


What? Voters should be moonlighting as accountants for the federal government? Most Americans are huge idiots, cannot follow any of this and don't have the time anyway.

Elected officials should be responsible and honest human being who aren't owned by corporate interests. If they can't live up to that standard, they should be voted out. Expecting all Americans to have nuanced policy understanding is laughable.


How will the "huge American idiots who cannot follow govt. debt and deficits" know who to vote out?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#784 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:52 pm

gtn130 wrote:
popper wrote:Regarding sustainable government, Rand Paul's balanced budget legislation went down in flames last week with less than half of R senators voting yes and no D's in favor.


Lol at thinking Rand Paul earnestly cares about sustainable government. These types of legislative efforts are pure brand building designed singularly for the optics and winning votes from rubes. He voted for tax cuts.

popper wrote:Ultimately, it's the American voters who are to blame for not demanding fiscal responsibility.


What? Voters should be moonlighting as accountants for the federal government? Most Americans are huge idiots, cannot follow any of this and don't have the time anyway.

Elected officials should be responsible and honest human being who aren't owned by corporate interests. If they can't live up to that standard, they should be voted out. Expecting all Americans to have nuanced policy understanding is laughable.

GTN, you are a naïve fool, nobody is coming to save us. There is no altruistic human being on the planet that will resist being paid off. It’s not happening. Ever. Don’t be a fool.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#785 » by gtn130 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:58 pm

popper wrote:
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popper wrote:Regarding sustainable government, Rand Paul's balanced budget legislation went down in flames last week with less than half of R senators voting yes and no D's in favor.


Lol at thinking Rand Paul earnestly cares about sustainable government. These types of legislative efforts are pure brand building designed singularly for the optics and winning votes from rubes. He voted for tax cuts.

popper wrote:Ultimately, it's the American voters who are to blame for not demanding fiscal responsibility.


What? Voters should be moonlighting as accountants for the federal government? Most Americans are huge idiots, cannot follow any of this and don't have the time anyway.

Elected officials should be responsible and honest human being who aren't owned by corporate interests. If they can't live up to that standard, they should be voted out. Expecting all Americans to have nuanced policy understanding is laughable.


How will the "huge American idiots who cannot follow govt. debt and deficits" know who to vote out?


I'd advise them to vote for candidates who are making promises to do things that would actually improve their lives instead of voting for their favorite brand of dog whistle.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#786 » by gtn130 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:02 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:GTN, you are a naïve fool, nobody is coming to save us. There is no altruistic human being on the planet that will resist being paid off. It’s not happening. Ever. Don’t be a fool.


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hahahaha SD20 with the latest party line of "grift is normal and there's nothing we can do about it!"

The US is ranked 21st in The Democracy Index and sliding. They're listed as a 'Flawed Democracy'. But yeah, nothin' can be done nobody can resist a bribe! USA #1!

Your brain has been completely broken by Fox News and RWNJ Twitter.
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Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#787 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:06 pm

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stilldropin20 wrote:GTN, you are a naïve fool, nobody is coming to save us. There is no altruistic human being on the planet that will resist being paid off. It’s not happening. Ever. Don’t be a fool.


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hahahaha SD20 with the latest party line of "grift is normal and there's nothing we can do about it!"

The US is ranked 21st in The Democracy Index and sliding. They're listed as a 'Flawed Democracy'. But yeah, nothin' can be done nobody can resist a bribe! USA #1!

Your brain has been completely broken by Fox News and RWNJ Twitter.

There is no Grift about it. This comes down to the American people. the will of the American people will eventually have to force politicians to make the right decisions Internally.

But we have X ternal problems to deal with first. And the first order of business for those politicians is manufacturing and balances, trade and balances, theft of intellectual property, and manipulation of foreign currency, all of which allows foreign nations to gain advantages on our markets.

You got a deal with that X ternal stuff first. Then work on our internal stuff like balanced budgets. And we’re going to need a strong military to deal with all that X ternal stuff or no foreign nations will take a serious. That’s why they passed the big military budget.
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Post#788 » by dckingsfan » Mon May 21, 2018 8:54 pm

BTW, the difference between hype and reality. When proclaiming victory and a 200B windfall... maybe not so fast.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-scepticism/cutting-200-billion-from-u-s-china-trade-deficit-is-a-tall-order-idUSKCN1IJ17R
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#789 » by dckingsfan » Mon May 21, 2018 8:57 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:GTN, you are a naïve fool, nobody is coming to save us. There is no altruistic human being on the planet that will resist being paid off. It’s not happening. Ever. Don’t be a fool.


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hahahaha SD20 with the latest party line of "grift is normal and there's nothing we can do about it!"

The US is ranked 21st in The Democracy Index and sliding. They're listed as a 'Flawed Democracy'. But yeah, nothin' can be done nobody can resist a bribe! USA #1!

Your brain has been completely broken by Fox News and RWNJ Twitter.

There is no Grift about it. This comes down to the American people. the will of the American people will eventually have to force politicians to make the right decisions Internally.

But we have X ternal problems to deal with first. And the first order of business for those politicians is manufacturing and balances, trade and balances, theft of intellectual property, and manipulation of foreign currency, all of which allows foreign nations to gain advantages on our markets.

You got a deal with that X ternal stuff first. Then work on our internal stuff like balanced budgets. And we’re going to need a strong military to deal with all that X ternal stuff or no foreign nations will take a serious. That’s why they passed the big military budget.
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That is just complete and utter nonsense. The "external" problems are tertiary at best.

Our biggest problem and why we are folding from within is because we don't have a sustainable model - see the stupidly (larger than the military wanted) funding bill.

The enemy is us.
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Post#790 » by stilldropin20 » Mon May 21, 2018 9:03 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
hahahaha SD20 with the latest party line of "grift is normal and there's nothing we can do about it!"

The US is ranked 21st in The Democracy Index and sliding. They're listed as a 'Flawed Democracy'. But yeah, nothin' can be done nobody can resist a bribe! USA #1!

Your brain has been completely broken by Fox News and RWNJ Twitter.

There is no Grift about it. This comes down to the American people. the will of the American people will eventually have to force politicians to make the right decisions Internally.

But we have X ternal problems to deal with first. And the first order of business for those politicians is manufacturing and balances, trade and balances, theft of intellectual property, and manipulation of foreign currency, all of which allows foreign nations to gain advantages on our markets.

You got a deal with that X ternal stuff first. Then work on our internal stuff like balanced budgets. And we’re going to need a strong military to deal with all that X ternal stuff or no foreign nations will take a serious. That’s why they passed the big military budget.
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That is just complete and utter nonsense. The "external" problems are tertiary at best.

Our biggest problem and why we are folding from within is because we don't have a sustainable model - see the stupidly (larger than the military wanted) funding bill.

The enemy is us.

Trump only wanted 900 billion. Dems and some spend thirsty r’s wanted the extra 500 billion.

You know that. It was largely publicized.

It takes money to make money.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#791 » by dckingsfan » Mon May 21, 2018 9:35 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:It takes money to make money.

Think you lost me there... if you put 100% of your money into the military - how much would you make - zero.

Think this through - don't just be a defender of terrible policy. This administration is a disaster - time to move on.
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Post#792 » by gtn130 » Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 pm

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Post#793 » by closg00 » Tue May 22, 2018 1:38 am

gtn130 wrote:
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Seems bad


Pay for Play is open for business like never before, Kushner got his under-water 666 Madison Ave property bailed-out, in the real world he would be in foreclosure.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#794 » by gtn130 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 am

All the people mad about emails should be FURIOUS about this:

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He's not following government protocol because he wants to circumvent FOIA requests and do treason. Lock him up.
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Post#795 » by stilldropin20 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:36 am

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Post#796 » by stilldropin20 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:44 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#797 » by nate33 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:21 pm

gtn130 wrote:All the people mad about emails should be FURIOUS about this:

Read on Twitter


He's not following government protocol because he wants to circumvent FOIA requests and do treason. Lock him up.

Fake news. From the article:
a senior West Wing official said the call-capable phones “are seamlessly swapped out on a regular basis through routine support operations. Because of the security controls of the Twitter phone and the Twitter account, it does not necessitate regular change-out.”


The West Wing official refuted the idea that the presence of a camera and microphone on the president’s phone posed any risk, telling POLITICO, “Due to inherent capabilities and advancement in technologies, these devices are more secure than any Obama-era devices.”


Also, there is no allegation that Trump's texts and emails aren't ultimately being archived so there is no evasion of FOIA.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XX 

Post#798 » by nate33 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:26 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
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The TL;DR version: McCabe almost certainly was the one who leaked the Dossier story to the news media, and he probably coordinated with them to let them know when Trump got briefed so CNN would have the excuse to run the story.

This would be the same Andy McCabe whose wife was given $700,000 in campaign contributions by Clinton crony Terry McCauliff.

There was, of course, no investigation into any of these leaks, leaks which significantly undermined our President.
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Post#799 » by nate33 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:32 pm

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Post#800 » by nate33 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:46 pm

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This is significant.

The Washington Post reported that, "The professor's interactions with Trump advisers began a few weeks before the opening of the investigation, when Page met the professor at the British symposium."

A few weeks before the opening of the investigation — those are the words that have raised eyebrows among Hill investigators. If it was before the investigation, then what was an FBI informant doing gathering undercover information when there was not yet an investigation?

The question has pointed investigators back to the issue of when the probe began — not when a piece of paper was formally signed but when the FBI, and perhaps other U.S. intelligence agencies, began investigating the Trump campaign.

And that has taken them back to March 21, 2016, when candidate Donald Trump met with the editorial board of the Washington Post.

At the time of that meeting, Trump had been under criticism for not having the sort of lists of distinguished advisers that most top-level campaigns routinely assemble. That was particularly true in the area of foreign policy. A frustrated Trump ordered his team to compile a list of foreign-affairs advisers.

Trump was preparing to announce his advisory board when he met with the Post. The paper's publisher asked Trump if he would reveal the names of his new team.

"Well, I hadn't thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names," Trump said. He then read a brief list, among them Page and Papadopoulos.

Trump's announcement did not go unnoticed at the FBI and Justice Department. The bureau knew Page from a previous episode in which Russian agents had tried, unsuccessfully, to recruit him. It's not clear what the FBI knew about the others. But then-Director James Comey and number-two Andrew McCabe personally briefed Attorney General Loretta Lynch on the list of newly-named Trump foreign policy advisers, including Page, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Lynch told the House Intelligence Committee that she, Comey, and McCabe discussed whether to provide a "defensive briefing" to the Trump campaign. That would entail having an FBI official meet with a senior campaign official "to alert them to the fact that … there may be efforts to compromise someone with their campaign," Lynch said.

It didn't happen, even though it was discussed again when Comey briefed the National Security Council principals committee about Page in the "late spring" of 2016, according to Lynch's testimony.


So, the most generous explanation for the start of the spying was that the FBI became concerned when Trump announced his foreign policy team would include Carter Page, a man on the FBI's radar, which raised legitimate concerns. But rather than inform Trump's people that Page was potentially sketchy, the Obama DOJ instead uses it as a pretext to spy on the Trump campaign. This is the part that is inexcusable. I don't see any other way to view this. Rather than make a simple phone call out of concern for national security, the DOJ used this as an opportunity to try and take out the opposing party's candidate. Everything done after this point, the spying, the constant leaks to the media, the outright false articles, the sketchy FISA warrant, the threats of prosecuting people for violating the freaking Logan Act, was all done with an intent to harm Trump - either to prevent him from being elected, or to impeach after the election. This is third world dictatorship stuff - using the apparatus of the government to destroy the opposition.

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