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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#781 » by prime1time » Fri Nov 1, 2019 9:13 pm

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prime1time wrote:Also, I'll go ahead and say it. If Rui get's his 3 point attempts up to 6 or 7 a game, the ROY is his to lose. Maybe Morant and Zion can compete but it'll be tough. If you have to worry about Rui knocking down 3's, he is simply too skilled offensively to be slowed down.

I don't think so. I think Rui will be a top 5ish rookie, but I'm not feeling rookie of the year. The big red flags for Rui are his low FTA's, poor 3pt shooting, and tunnel vision. It's going to be real hard for him to be all that efficient as a scorer with a FT rate so low. Ultimately, I think he's going to be viewed as a "solid player" in his rookie year, not really a star. Morant and Barrett will have the edge in ROY voting.

Ehhh, poor 3 point shooting? He was 4-9 in pre-season. 3-11 now. Combined that. 7/20, 35%. Low fta's small sample size. He was great at getting to the line in college (6 attempts). Did it in the summer league. Did it in FIBA. And did it in pre-season. There's nothing to suggest that that will change. As far as I'm concerned it's not a question of if he does those things but when.

As far as Barrett goes, surely you're joking. Something has to give with Barrett. He's shooting 40% from the ft line and 40% from 3. Morant will be competition I'll give you that. Perhaps the guy you should have mentioned is Kendrick Nunn. Regardless, it is ridiculous to Rui will be in the conversation. Currently he's averaging 18 and 7. And even though you imply that he can't be that efficient, he's doing it shooting 50% from the field. Which leads into a point I've made many times in this thread. The reason why comparisons to great SF wing's fail is that Rui is way more selective with his shot selection than these guys. To put it another way, he only takes shots that he wants to take. How good wicked Carmelo Anthony have been early on in his career if you eliminate the tough well contested jumpers? This is much closer to who Rui is. The efficiency was there all throughout college. And you are starting to see it in the NBA.

As long as he can continue around 50% Rui should get more shots. We should be looking to exploit Rui on mismatches against smaller guards. And exploit Rui's off the dribble game, when teams have non-scoring bigs that aren't good enough defenders. Rui has played well so far. But in terms of his offensive production the sky is the limit. He's a walking mismatch. Hearing the Wizards shooting coach talk about Rui's shooting form, you can tell that he expects Rui to shoot a high percentage. We need to uncuff him and see what he's capable of. Because we really don't have a clue.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

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Post#784 » by bgroban » Sat Nov 2, 2019 6:17 pm

Where are all the folks that were pandering for Brandon Clarke? Maybe it's time to acknowledge that Tommy might know a little more than you.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#785 » by nate33 » Sat Nov 2, 2019 6:48 pm

bgroban wrote:Where are all the folks that were pandering for Brandon Clarke? Maybe it's time to acknowledge that Tommy might know a little more than you.

I wanted Clarke, but I quickly changed my tune when I saw him in the FIBA tournament. I'm happy with the Rui pick.

But to be fair, Clarke is playing quite well too. He doesn't start due to the presence of Jaren Jackson, but his per-possession numbers are comparable to Rui's. (Clarke blocks a ton more shots, gets more steals, fouls more, and scores a little less.)

Going by the eye test though, I'd say Rui is playing a bit better. Clarke looks like he'll be a very good low usage role player, but Rui has the makings of a 1st option or 2nd option on offense, and those guys are more valuable. We're really not going to know for sure who is better until they've played enough games that their 3P% will be more than just statistical noise.

It's notable that Clarke has a breathtakingly bad on/off differential at the moment, but it's small sample size theater.
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Post#786 » by tontoz » Sat Nov 2, 2019 7:53 pm

I didn't even know who Rui was when we picked him :lol: but i am certainly happy with the pick now.

Based on what i know now there isn't anyone else i would rather have who was available at 9.
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Post#787 » by WallToWall » Sat Nov 2, 2019 8:15 pm

tontoz wrote:I didn't even know who Rui was when we picked him :lol: but i am certainly happy with the pick now.

Likewise. Yes, Tommy may know a thing or two. ;-)
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Post#788 » by JWizmentality » Sat Nov 2, 2019 8:16 pm

bgroban wrote:Where are all the folks that were pandering for Brandon Clarke? Maybe it's time to acknowledge that JWiz might know a little more than you.


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Post#789 » by gambitx777 » Sat Nov 2, 2019 8:44 pm

I think we can all be happy that we picked rui the reaper


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Post#790 » by queridiculo » Sat Nov 2, 2019 9:54 pm

I was on the Hachimura bandwagon early last year, but around draft time the guy I wanted was PJ Washington.

Washington is looking legit early on, it'll be interesting watching these two guys in the South East.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#791 » by prime1time » Sat Nov 2, 2019 11:19 pm

queridiculo wrote:I was on the Hachimura bandwagon early last year, but around draft time the guy I wanted was PJ Washington.

Washington is looking legit early on, it'll be interesting watching these two guys in the South East.

Washington has looked really good. It'll be interesting to follow the career of these two guys.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#792 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 3, 2019 12:15 am

bgroban wrote:Where are all the folks that were pandering for Brandon Clarke? Maybe it's time to acknowledge that Tommy might know a little more than you.

Might be time for you to acknowledge that you know a little less than you think you do.

1. Clarke has had an outstanding start to his rookie year. As has Rui. You could argue that Clarke's been slightly better, but I don't think it's enough to be worth considering -- given how small the sample sizes are.

2. Clarke went #21; Rui went #9. Those of us who wanted Clarke were arguing for a trade-down scenario: Boston's #20 & #22 for our #9 -- or, even better, SA's #s 19, 29 & 49. In any case, a trade that would have gotten us Clarke & other prospects.

We've put this subject to bed, or tried to, repeatedly. The only thing that wakes it up again are smart-ass comments by know-nothing know-it-alls who probably would be unable to name 1/2 of the R1 picks in the draft.

Do yourself a favor & let it go. The only important thing at this point is that Rui is looking like a guy who's going to be a very good player. So are a bunch of other guys from the draft. OTOH, there are some who don't look as promising. Fortunately, we don't have one of those!
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#793 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 3, 2019 12:21 am

tontoz wrote:I didn't even know who Rui was when we picked him :lol: but i am certainly happy with the pick now.

Based on what i know now there isn't anyone else i would rather have who was available at 9.

If you didn't know who Rui was (!), can I assume that you also don't have much idea of how this year's rookies are playing? If so... how can you be happy with the pick?

We're all happy with how Rui is doing. But, for now the 1184th time, there is a difference between whether someone is a good player & whether that person was the best pick at the spot where he was picked. & in this case "difference" means that they are two entirely different questions.

But, Rui is still playing well, & we should be very happy about that. I think he's going to be a terrific NBA player.
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Post#795 » by tontoz » Sun Nov 3, 2019 2:21 am

payitforward wrote:
tontoz wrote:I didn't even know who Rui was when we picked him :lol: but i am certainly happy with the pick now.

Based on what i know now there isn't anyone else i would rather have who was available at 9.

If you didn't know who Rui was (!), can I assume that you also don't have much idea of how this year's rookies are playing? If so... how can you be happy with the pick?

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That would be an idiotic assumption. I don't follow college ball but i do follow the NBA, which you should know by now. I was posting on this board long before you showed up.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#796 » by payitforward » Sun Nov 3, 2019 4:06 am

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tontoz wrote:I didn't even know who Rui was when we picked him :lol: but i am certainly happy with the pick now.

Based on what i know now there isn't anyone else i would rather have who was available at 9.

If you didn't know who Rui was (!), can I assume that you also don't have much idea of how this year's rookies are playing? If so... how can you be happy with the pick?

That would be an idiotic assumption. I don't follow college ball but i do follow the NBA, which you should know by now. I was posting on this board long before you showed up.

Trim your sails. I didn't call anything you wrote "idiotic." As to posting here, you are right. OTOH, I've been watching & thinking about basketball since long before you showed up -- on planet Earth! :) (that's an assumption, but unless you're older than 65, it's valid).

Neither of those facts matter much. OTOH, if you have a good idea how Washington, Clarke & some other comparables to Rui (i.e. rookie 4s) are playing, then, no, I can't assume you aren't following the rookies.

What shall I assume in that case? Given that it's obvious on the face of it that Clarke is playing extremely well. A bit better than Rui, as I said (drawing no conclusion from that -- given the low minutes so far).

Still, as I started out by saying, this ridiculous dispute gets rekindled not by me but when someone posts along the "ho ho ho, where are all the Brandon Clarke fans now...?" lines.

I am extremely happy with the way Rui is playing. I think he's likely to be an outstanding NBA player. For that to be true, it really isn't necessary that other players be bad. Nothing about Brandon Clarke or P.J. Washington makes Rui Hachimura any better or worse.
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Post#797 » by Jaekast » Sun Nov 3, 2019 1:29 pm

BRANDON "If I had starter minutes I would be an nba god" CLARKE

BRANDON "Rui's ceiling is my floor" CLARKE

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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#798 » by Jaekast » Sun Nov 3, 2019 1:32 pm

Pif is the kinda guy you punch in the face the first time you meet him in person.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#799 » by tontoz » Sun Nov 3, 2019 2:46 pm

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tontoz wrote:
payitforward wrote:If you didn't know who Rui was (!), can I assume that you also don't have much idea of how this year's rookies are playing? If so... how can you be happy with the pick?

That would be an idiotic assumption. I don't follow college ball but i do follow the NBA, which you should know by now. I was posting on this board long before you showed up.

Trim your sails. I didn't call anything you wrote "idiotic." As to posting here, you are right. OTOH, I've been watching & thinking about basketball since long before you showed up -- on planet Earth! :) (that's an assumption, but unless you're older than 65, it's valid).

Neither of those facts matter much. OTOH, if you have a good idea how Washington, Clarke & some other comparables to Rui (i.e. rookie 4s) are playing, then, no, I can't assume you aren't following the rookies.

What shall I assume in that case? Given that it's obvious on the face of it that Clarke is playing extremely well. A bit better than Rui, as I said (drawing no conclusion from that -- given the low minutes so far).

Still, as I started out by saying, this ridiculous dispute gets rekindled not by me but when someone posts along the "ho ho ho, where are all the Brandon Clarke fans now...?" lines.

I am extremely happy with the way Rui is playing. I think he's likely to be an outstanding NBA player. For that to be true, it really isn't necessary that other players be bad. Nothing about Brandon Clarke or P.J. Washington makes Rui Hachimura any better or worse.




I just posted the rookie ladder from NBA.com on Thursday, which had Rui ranked 5th. If you assume that i read my own link, which would be a safe assumption, then you would know that i am aware that there are other rookies playing well.

I can't remember ever even mentioning Clarke, so if you get your panties in a bunch because of a perceived slight to Clarke then you need to take it out on someone else. But since you brought him up I am not interested in a 4 that has a standing reach of 8'6, weighs 207 and lacks a perimeter game. Of course he could still turn out to be an effective player but i wouldn't consider drafting him at 9. Undersized 4s don't have a great history of success.

Herro has been playing well for Miami but i am not interested in a 2 unless he is the clear best player. PJ Washington has been lighting it up but there are concerns about a lack of athleticism. I find it odd that he attended the combine, got measured, but didn't participate in the athletic testing. Defense is an obvious concern with him.

Lets not forget there are guys we discussed on here (Sekou, Samanic) that haven't even played yet.

I am assuming that Rui becomes at least an effective catch and shoot player from 3. That could obviously turn out to be wrong which would decrease his value quite a bit.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#800 » by Earth2Ted » Sun Nov 3, 2019 3:22 pm

Hey did anyone else catch the lump on Ruis neck on his post game interview on the wiz nba.com site? It is visible at about 5:30 when he turns his head. Not pretending to be a doc or anything, but after that whole Trent Williams dfsp debacle, I’d say probably a good thing for the team to keep an eye on.

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