Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[NatP4]

Poole is getting no firsts. You all are hilariously delusional. He’s barely neutral value.

I think we get a late 1st in exchange for taking back bad contracts.

Any comparison to Bane is delusional

[trast66]

There is not one thing that Poole does better on a basketball court than Bane. Bane is a top 60 player and 3p shooting is exactly what Orlando needs. His contact is reasonable though certainly not a bargain. It’s a steep price to pay but Orlando is a OK bet to come out of the east sometime over the next three years if their existing core 3 (Suggs, Wagner, Banchero) continue to improve. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs (highly likely) the Grizzlies will get a 2026 lottery pick. If I were the grizzlies would have traded Morant but maybe not a market for him.

As far as Poole he should be traded ASAP so as Wiz not to get burned with declining trade value (Kuzma, Beal). Hopefully after the Kuzma debacle Winger and Dawkins did some reading on the endowment effect.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Insane Bane Trade

Insane in the Mem(phis) Bane?

Insane in the brain.

That's bad.

Orlando is smoking PCP.

[Dat2U]

Orlando has their type. Big, physical and can play defense. And Bane is probably an ideal 3rd option if he can stay healthy. That's my concern, his track record for staying healthy. By all accounts, they'll throw the MLE at Nickeil Alexander-Walker to be their 3rd guard so it looks like the Anthony Black experiment may already be over.

[Rafael122]

Poole would net 1 FRP. 2 might be pushing it unless it's a team desperately trying to clear out a long term contract that pushes 3+ years.

[gambitx777]

I hate this idea that pooles not worth anything. Like someone said he's definitely worth 2 firsts if banes worth 5 and someone argued like for **** sakes 5 firsts for bane 2 for pool is not a lot. The two biggest questions are. Will we make any moves beforehand nthe NBA year resets. Who are we gonna help out everyone NBA trade and for what and will kispert and pool still be on the team by draft day.

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[Rafael122]

I hate this idea that pooles not worth anything. Like someone said he's definitely worth 2 firsts if banes worth 5 and someone argued like for **** sakes 5 firsts for bane 2 for pool is not a lot. The two biggest questions are. Will we make any moves beforehand nthe NBA year resets. Who are we gonna help out everyone NBA trade and for what and will kispert and pool still be on the team by draft day.

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Take a look at Boston for example. Jrue's got 3 years left on his deal and is aging. Poole has 2 years left. Would the Celtics do Holiday, 28th pick and a future 1st just to get out of that last year of Jrue's deal? I would even do Holiday, 28th and that 32nd pick which was originally ours.

[TGW]

I hate this idea that pooles not worth anything. Like someone said he's definitely worth 2 firsts if banes worth 5 and someone argued like for **** sakes 5 firsts for bane 2 for pool is not a lot. The two biggest questions are. Will we make any moves beforehand nthe NBA year resets. Who are we gonna help out everyone NBA trade and for what and will kispert and pool still be on the team by draft day.

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Take a look at Boston for example. Jrue's got 3 years left on his deal and is aging. Poole has 2 years left. Would the Celtics do Holiday, 28th pick and a future 1st just to get out of that last year of Jrue's deal? I would even do Holiday, 28th and that 32nd pick which was originally ours.

Go to the Celtics board and see how hard they laugh at that offer.

[Rafael122]

I hate this idea that pooles not worth anything. Like someone said he's definitely worth 2 firsts if banes worth 5 and someone argued like for **** sakes 5 firsts for bane 2 for pool is not a lot. The two biggest questions are. Will we make any moves beforehand nthe NBA year resets. Who are we gonna help out everyone NBA trade and for what and will kispert and pool still be on the team by draft day.

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Take a look at Boston for example. Jrue's got 3 years left on his deal and is aging. Poole has 2 years left. Would the Celtics do Holiday, 28th pick and a future 1st just to get out of that last year of Jrue's deal? I would even do Holiday, 28th and that 32nd pick which was originally ours.

Go to the Celtics board and see how hard they laugh at that offer.

Sure, but the tax is a real thing and a player's value is fluid. Going into yesterday, did anyone else think Bane would be traded for 5 picks? Bane is good, but 5 picks good?

[Doug_Blew]

I hate this idea that pooles not worth anything. Like someone said he's definitely worth 2 firsts if banes worth 5 and someone argued like for **** sakes 5 firsts for bane 2 for pool is not a lot. The two biggest questions are. Will we make any moves beforehand nthe NBA year resets. Who are we gonna help out everyone NBA trade and for what and will kispert and pool still be on the team by draft day.

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Take a look at Boston for example. Jrue's got 3 years left on his deal and is aging. Poole has 2 years left. Would the Celtics do Holiday, 28th pick and a future 1st just to get out of that last year of Jrue's deal? I would even do Holiday, 28th and that 32nd pick which was originally ours.

Go to the Celtics board and see how hard they laugh at that offer.

Go to the Bucks board and see how hard they cry at trading Aj Johnson and Middleton for Kuzma. If the team is financially strapped, they may need to make bad trades. I don't think Poole is a good fit on Boston. But I do think Poole has positive value now.

[doclinkin]

Go to the Celtics board and see how hard they laugh at that offer.

Go to the Bucks board and see how hard they cry at trading Aj Johnson and Middleton for Kuzma. If the team is financially strapped, they may need to make bad trades. I don't think Poole is a good fit on Boston. But I do think Poole has positive value now.

Right. Was just saying in the Dawkins thread. We traded Johnny Davis for Marcus Smart + # 18.

Pretty sure Poole coming off a solidly efficient offensive outing can be turned into some value. He won a championship on the strength of a similar season. Poole is entering his prime. On the back half of that pricey contract. Dawkins has done more with worse. Ask Phoenix.

[TGW]

Ok guys...you got me. There's a long line of teams just lining up for Poole with their treasure trove of picks and prospects. Who wouldn't want an overpaid, undersized shotjacker that plays next to no defense.

Get it done Dawkins. You have no excuse. Get those picks for Poole NOW!

[The Consiglieri]

Poole is getting no firsts. You all are hilariously delusional. He’s barely neutral value.

Yep, the win of this year was making Poole instead of a guy we'd need to ship out with multiple pieces to offload the deal, instead a neutral piece of no value. He could carry value by the trade deadline in '26 or '27 (or '26 offseason), maybe at that point when the horrid contract is no longer one of those acme looney tune weights, we could get something for him, but it's basically then (6-18 months of the deal left, most likely summer '26 or winter deadline '27).

Definitely get outside the DC media environment and pay more attention to national media on Poole, it definitely seems like the win this year was Poole's contract was no longer at the top or even top middle of lists of the worst contracts in the league because he was decent this past year, but does that mean someone is handing over real tangible assets? Zero chance in my view until we reach a moment where a team, if it botches said trade, still has to carry the contract for multiple years.

[gambitx777]

Ok guys...you got me. There's a long line of teams just lining up for Poole with their treasure trove of picks and prospects. Who wouldn't want an overpaid, undersized shotjacker that plays next to no defense.

Get it done Dawkins. You have no excuse. Get those picks for Poole NOW!

So, not one person claims or believes Poole will get us like 5 picks plus . But to pretend that when stupid money is being given out to aging declining replacement level dudes these days. Jordan Poole making low 30s for a couple years has value. He's gotten better v last year.

Now yes there are teams that are gonna be in money trouble that might see poole as a decent half measure to save money and not tank and would be willing to pay for that . The Cs are **** and so are several teams. We are in a good position to make solid moves. I hope we don't pull some silly too soon all in **** like Orlando just did.

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[The Consiglieri]

I would guess that the plan is to move him in one of 3 deadlines:
Winter '26
Summer '26
Winter '27

I would imagine that he would provide the best return summer of '26, or winter of '27 when a team knows that if the move is unwise, the cost will simply be that year, with no more years left to play out the bad contract. I do think it's possible a team might be willing to make a panic move like Milwaukee stupidly did with Kuzma this past winter, but I think it's less likely than him getting moved at some point in reference to the '26-'27 season. Right now, though? I don't think we get anything of relevance for him that is of any value right now in a trade this summer.

[J-Ves]

So in the event the Wiz trade up for Ace at 3 what’s the trade package? I imagine it starts out as:

Middleton + Kispert + 6th ~for~ P. George + 3rd

What else needs to be added to get it done?

[tontoz]

So in the event the Wiz trade up for Ace at 3 what’s the trade package? I imagine it starts out as:

Middleton + Kispert + 6th ~for~ P. George + 3rd

What else needs to be added to get it done?

If we have to take on that contract I wouldn't give up anything else.

[nate33]

So in the event the Wiz trade up for Ace at 3 what’s the trade package? I imagine it starts out as:

Middleton + Kispert + 6th ~for~ P. George + 3rd

What else needs to be added to get it done?

That’s like paying $110M to move up 3 picks.

I’d probably take VJ in that scenario. Or squeeze something out of Charlotte in a trade down to #4 and then take Ace.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be aiming that high in a trade up. I think the cost of trading up to #4 or #5 would be considerably less since those teams know Ace doesn’t want to play there.

If we did managed to trade up to #3 with Philly, my next call would be to San Antonio to see what it would take to get to #2.

[gambitx777]

So in the event the Wiz trade up for Ace at 3 what’s the trade package? I imagine it starts out as:

Middleton + Kispert + 6th ~for~ P. George + 3rd

What else needs to be added to get it done?

EG called and said he's not taking his job back so this will never happen.

What a terrible trade PGs contract is arguably worse than beals. Sure stuff for PG and 3 makes sense if they really want off that money

I floated
Poole, kispert, bey for PG and 3 and every one acted like I was nuts. But it makes sense you put a strong back court together and you get two solid wings to replace PG.

Pretending like PGs contract isn't terrible is very short sighted.

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