Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

JWizmentality · Post #781 » by **JWizmentality** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:49 am

but but but....who's gonna put up more cinnamon videos?!?

closg00 · Post #782 » by **closg00** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:35 pm

This thread needs to be renamed "Nick Young Watch" Is any team going to make a play for Nick or not?

tontoz · Post #783 » by **tontoz** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:46 pm

miller31time wrote:I just don't see why we'd overpay for Young when (A) there aren't many potential suitors and (B) we have Jordan Crawford as a guy who's more than capable of stepping in at 2-guard.

Sucks for Nick but his situation couldn't be worse in terms of getting a big deal. NOH is a wild card still but i don't see any other team who would make a big offer for Nick.

His QO of $3.7 million isn't a very attractive option either.

Post #784 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:48 pm

closg00 wrote:This thread needs to be renamed "Nick Young Watch" Is any team going to make a play for Nick or not?

It'd be awful if the Hornets - of all teams - end up with Nick. They need a shooting guard - because the Paul trade got nix'd. Otherwise, they'd have Kevin Martin there.

Let's see - who are the free agent SG's still available? Rip Hamilton was added to the list. Jamal Crawford is probably the most expensive guy still out there. Is Afflalo still unsigned?

mhd · Post #785 » by **mhd** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:48 pm

With the Hornets being owned by the League, I don't know if they can go out and sign longterm FAs because that would affect the sale price.

Post #786 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:02 pm

mhd wrote:With the Hornets being owned by the League, I don't know if they can go out and sign longterm FAs because that would affect the sale price.

I think the NBA better give Dell Demps some latitude to make moves - after the correct perception that they screwed him and the franchise on the Paul debacle.

Post #787 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:53 pm

Nick's in a bad situation. he's a restricted free agent, there's a lockout, or was, and there was a plethora of other two guards that are cheaper. Wouldn't be surprised if he signed the 1 year contract with us and becomes unrestricted next year.

Post #788 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:03 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Nick's in a bad situation. he's a restricted free agent, there's a lockout, or was, and there was a plethora of other two guards that are cheaper. Wouldn't be surprised if he signed the 1 year contract with us and becomes unrestricted next year.

Yeah, if I was Nick's agent, I probably recommend that. He's losing bargaining power. From Michael Lee's article in the Post:

Update: Two of Young’s potential suitors have probably been eliminated with the Phoenix Suns agreeing to terms with Shannon Brown (one-year, $3.5 million) and the Sacramento Kings reportedly retaining restricted free agent Marcus Thornton (five-years, $40 million).

Shannon Brown getting such a small contract doesn't help Nick. Brown hasn't gotten the PT that Thornton and Nick have, but he's played a role in the Lakers' playoff runs and has had some spectacular playoff moments.

jivelikenice · Post #789 » by **jivelikenice** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:23 pm

If the Bulls sign Hamilton then we lose another competitor for his services. If I'm Grunfeld, I up the offer a little on a 1-year deal which allows Nick to feel he doesn't have to settle for the tender. It will give us an opportunity to see how the backcourt with Wall, NY, & JC plays out before investing multi-year money in Nick.

closg00 · Post #790 » by **closg00** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:30 pm

Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

mhd · Post #791 » by **mhd** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:31 pm

Well, JRich and Afflalo are probably more high thought of (irregardless of what you consider their talents compared to N1 are). So, N1 is probably the 3rd rated SG on the open market right now.

pancakes3 · Post #792 » by **pancakes3** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:56 pm

closg00 wrote:Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

to bring a little "appreciation" back into this thread as originally intended, maybe nick isn't dancing because he's a super-hot girl that's intimidating everyone.

of course by that i mean it's no secret that management likes nick, our franchise player likes nick, and we've got deep enough pockets to match any and all offers. compound that with the fact that nick isn't even THAT hot - aka marcus thornton sexy, i can't imagine a lot of teams are seriously banking on him being a part of their long term plans when the path of least resistance flows past a lot of other, easier, more obtainable, and more proven players.

Illuminaire · Post #793 » by **Illuminaire** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:04 pm

I'd actually prefer a front-loaded multi-year dear to a one year contract that lets Nick become a full free agent.

With the former, we retain significant trade value by having a proven shooter on a bargain contract. The latter... we have nothing but the chance to overpay.

closg00 · Post #794 » by **closg00** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:49 pm

Illuminaire wrote:I'd actually prefer a front-loaded multi-year dear to a one year contract that lets Nick become a full free agent.

With the former, we retain significant trade value by having a proven shooter on a bargain contract. The latter... we have nothing but the chance to overpay.

Agree

tontoz · Post #795 » by **tontoz** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:21 pm

closg00 wrote:Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

Not really. RFAs frequently don't get offers at all from other teams. Given the lack of bidders i see no reason for Ernie to rush.

If Nick does sign he probably won't be playing very well at first. I would guess that he hasn't played a lot of pickup ball due to the injury risk.

jivelikenice · Post #796 » by **jivelikenice** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:43 pm

Illuminaire wrote:I'd actually prefer a front-loaded multi-year dear to a one year contract that lets Nick become a full free agent.

With the former, we retain significant trade value by having a proven shooter on a bargain contract. The latter... we have nothing but the chance to overpay.

That would actually be the best case scenario, but we don't know if Nick is open to signing that type of contract.

Post #797 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:10 pm

tontoz wrote:
closg00 wrote:Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

Not really. RFAs frequently don't get offers at all from other teams. Given the lack of bidders i see no reason for Ernie to rush.

If Nick does sign he probably won't be playing very well at first. I would guess that he hasn't played a lot of pickup ball due to the injury risk.

Yeah, he's probably doing safe things - like sniffing glue with Javale.

hands11 · Post #798 » by **hands11** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:45 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Nick's in a bad situation. he's a restricted free agent, there's a lockout, or was, and there was a plethora of other two guards that are cheaper. Wouldn't be surprised if he signed the 1 year contract with us and becomes unrestricted next year.

Yeah, if I was Nick's agent, I probably recommend that. He's losing bargaining power. From Michael Lee's article in the Post:
Update: Two of Young’s potential suitors have probably been eliminated with the Phoenix Suns agreeing to terms with Shannon Brown (one-year, $3.5 million) and the Sacramento Kings reportedly retaining restricted free agent Marcus Thornton (five-years, $40 million).

Shannon Brown getting such a small contract doesn't help Nick. Brown hasn't gotten the PT that Thornton and Nick have, but he's played a role in the Lakers' playoff runs and has had some spectacular playoff moments.

I agree his leverage is no where near ideal given what Lee posted the other day.

Interesting idea to consider that Nick could shoot for a 1 year deal and become a UFA. I'm trying to think through how the Wizards might approach that. Would they go for that or would they rather sign him to a two year. I would guess a two year would be without a 3rd year team or player option if Nick was pushing for a 1 year.

Of course all of this given no one else offers him a multi-year deal that he likes.

A one year might be the best thing for Nick if he has learned from this process. Teams pay bigger for a top SG that has a more rounded game and or who is more mature/leader. He has the tools to do the rounded game part and he has even shown he can do it a little last year. He just doesn't have a established track record of doing it. So if he signs a one year and establishes a more rounded game, he could get a 3-4 year contract at 7-10 million.

From the Wizards stand point, they would get a very focused Nick this year. If the kid blows up and becomes a well round basketball player, he could make a lot more and maybe walk were we get nothing for developing him. But if after a year, they retain him and pay more, at least they know better what they are paying for and what they are getting.

So if Nick is pushing for a 1 yr, maybe the compromise position for the Wizards and Nick would be a two year deal. By then they would have a more clear picture of his progress and how he fits with the team. One year of starting on a team that rolled though like 40 players isn't a lot to go on. So in this scenario, if he rounds out his game and he had be hear a total of three years with Wall so he would be fully integrated with the new team, he might be more likely to stay if things are working and he is that more rounded player. So maybe a two year deal would be what the Wizards shoot for. Something around 5-6M a year and as always... from loaded.

That would be something to consider if he doesn't want to do a 3 year at around 6M front loaded.

So you want a 1 year, you get the qualifying offer at $3,695,857 or we will do two year at 5-6M

Should be interesting.

hands11 · Post #799 » by **hands11** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:51 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

to bring a little "appreciation" back into this thread as originally intended, maybe nick isn't dancing because he's a super-hot girl that's intimidating everyone.

of course by that i mean it's no secret that management likes nick, our franchise player likes nick, and we've got deep enough pockets to match any and all offers. compound that with the fact that nick isn't even THAT hot - aka marcus thornton sexy, i can't imagine a lot of teams are seriously banking on him being a part of their long term plans when the path of least resistance flows past a lot of other, easier, more obtainable, and more proven players.

All of that and the shortened signing period means teams don't want money tied up in offers they could easily not close on.

hands11 · Post #800 » by **hands11** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:53 pm

tontoz wrote:
closg00 wrote:Doesn't it say something about Nick that he is practically the last one left on the dance-floor?

Not really. RFAs frequently don't get offers at all from other teams. Given the lack of bidders i see no reason for Ernie to rush.

If Nick does sign he probably won't be playing very well at first. I would guess that he hasn't played a lot of pickup ball due to the injury risk.

You much be out of the loop. Nick has been Balln all summer and working with a trainer.