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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#81 » by DaRealHibachi » Sun Apr 3, 2011 1:31 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.


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Evans and Singleton are probably the only vets I'd want on this team, since both can assume leadership roles, both play positions of need and both have skills we need on this team...
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Post#82 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 3, 2011 4:05 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.


That is the same thing I was saying. Obviously they don't build around him or pencil him in as a lock. But the point was you don't need to find old vet FAs or even bring back Howard. I think there is a vib going on here and there are pieces that can fill that role that are cheap. They are also already fitting in. Jeffers has 7 more games to make his case to be an end of bench player. So far, he is making a decent case. I wouldn't be upset at all if Mo and/or Jeffers made it back.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#83 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 3, 2011 4:14 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.


+1

Evans and Singleton are probably the only vets I'd want on this team, since both can assume leadership roles, both play positions of need and both have skills we need on this team...


I would love to see Singleton come back. Just not sure that is going to happen though. Dude wants to play. It would have been awesome if he would have stayed and worked with Booker.

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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#84 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Apr 3, 2011 4:40 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.



Agreed. I like what I've seen from Evans. Good attitude, knows his role, plays hard, fills a need. I'd like to see Evans in place of Josh Howard, and I'd take Martin over Jeffers.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#85 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 3, 2011 9:43 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.



Agreed. I like what I've seen from Evans. Good attitude, knows his role, plays hard, fills a need. I'd like to see Evans in place of Josh Howard, and I'd take Martin over Jeffers.


Considering they are likely to add another guard, I would not take Martin over Jeffers

Martin has had the whole year to prove he belongs and has not taken advantage of that opportunity.

Besides, Othyus Jeffers is a way cooler name.
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:cry: Magnum Rolle, one of my top candidates for a scoop-up was signed by ATL. Damn!
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Post#87 » by Kanyewest » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:33 am

nate33 wrote:I'd take Evans over Jeffers. Our team needs maturity and a few more outside shooters. If we still have a roster spot available after drafting all the guys we want to draft and signing all the guys we want to sign, I wouldn't mind adding Jeffers to the mix. But I don't think he's as valuable as people make him out to be. He's still a shooting guard who can't shoot.


I wouldn't retain Evans at all at this point, especially if the Wizards resign Nick Young. He's already 32 and he's going to be 33 during the 2011-2012 season. While its a scary proposition in the short term that the veterans of the team will be Blatche and Young, the Wizards still have a veteran leader from the sidelines with Cassell.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#88 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:25 pm

We need a low-minute veteran who can help set the tone in practice, play decent when called upon, and not complain when he rides the bench. Evans is perfect.

I'd only consider a one-year contract. Age doesn't matter much if there's no long term committment. Also, Evans is in the sweet spot on a performance/cost basis. He's just bad enough that nobody else will pay more than the vet minimum for him, but he's just good enough to contribute as a role player.

I wish we could find and Evans-like veteran big man. I'd definitely be in favor of bringing back Singleton.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#89 » by LyricalRico » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:40 pm

Re: Mo Evans

I don't think he comes back. Assuming that Lewis is healthy next year and we draft Williams/Barnes, there won't be any minutes for him. Maybe he won't get more money from another team, but he can certianly get more floor time. Especially if the team is a contender trying to fill out their bench on the cheap.

Re: Martin vs Jeffers

I like Cartier because he's had to struggle to get on a roster. He also gives us outside shooting. But Jeffers is the better defender and is more aggressive in taking the ball to the hoop. If we re-up Nick Young, I'd rather go defense/energy than outside shooting for our 13-15 guys. That way they can push the rotation guys in practice.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#90 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:47 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Re: Mo Evans

I don't think he comes back. Assuming that Lewis is healthy next year and we draft Williams/Barnes, there won't be any minutes for him. Maybe he won't get more money from another team, but he can certianly get more floor time. Especially if the team is a contender trying to fill out their bench on the cheap.

I can see that. If we draft Barnes, Evans is almost surely gone. I'm not sure if that applies to Williams (who I think is a PF).

But let's not act like Mo Evans has a bunch of teams knocking on his door offering playing time. Basically, if you play Evans more than 10 minutes a game, you are in trouble. Evans will be willing to stay here and play behind Lewis because he'd be playing behind the starting SF (and possibly the backup SF) on any other team in the league.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#91 » by Kanyewest » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:50 pm

nate33 wrote:We need a low-minute veteran who can help set the tone in practice, play decent when called upon, and not complain when he rides the bench. Evans is perfect.


So why can't Jeffers or Owens fill this role? Better yet, the Wizards could hold a prospect with high potential to ride the bench which wouldn't be the end of the world either for that's prospects development. At the end of the day not only is it cheaper but it helps the Wizards look for long-term solutions. If the Wizards were looking to win now, it may make sense to bring back Evans. However, the NBA is full of guys who set the tone in practice, including young guys coming up in the draft.

The Wizards already have enough 2 guards in Young (assuming they retain him) and Crawford. I would much rather give minutes to Booker and whatever prospect the Wizards draft with their draft picks.
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Post#92 » by pancakes3 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:14 am

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Post#93 » by Hoopalotta » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:27 am

Watch us take a flier on Michael Redd based on the Ernie connection.

MILWAUKEE -- Michael Redd knows his time with the Milwaukee Bucks likely will come to an end Wednesday night. He doesn't see the clock running out on his career anytime soon.

Despite two separate injuries to his left knee that have cost him large chunks of three straight seasons -- and playing only sporadically off the bench since he returned last month from the second injury -- Redd still believes he can be a regular contributor in the NBA.


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Post#94 » by Ed Wood » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:23 am

Some unglamorous signings I would consider for cheap:

Guards:

Goran Dragic: Could play alongside Wall, Crawford and add to our stable of penetrating guards. Houston has first shot at him and will presumably retain him but I'd take a look. A better player than Aaron Brooks.

Earl Watson: Oh Earl, teach me this thing you call defense.

Swingmen

Matt Barnes: Matt would hate it here so much.

Shane Battier: Maybe write it into his contract that he and Nate have to kiss. Solid rebounder, passer, defender, shooter, poet laureate, beard grower. Made Zach Randolph a good defender.

Mike Dunleavy: Seriously, Dunleavy. He's basically a rich man's Rashard at this point, more consistent from outside and only a little worse at rebounding and not any worse at defense (probably better even).

Danny Green: Solid in very limited time for the Spurs this year, fits the mold of a good complement to Wall (perimeter shooter and defender). Has been awesome in the D League, will make the front office feel smart for signing another former Spur.


Forwards

Josh McRoberts: Seriously, he stopped sucking. Scores efficiently now (don't ask me how) and is a really good passer for a big man. Bonus points for the look on Wall's face when someone tells him about it. Basically a Blatche palette swap who doesn't shoot nearly as much and is actually a good passer and should come cheaper.

Troy Murphy: Murphy has absolutely cratered this year after eight years of roughly comparable productivity to start his career. While it's always possible his game just died he's never been that athletic so I'd bet on him bouncing back and he might not cost much. He's not a good defender but he'd be like the super-deluxe version of Yi, again assuming he isn't just terrible forever now.

Jonas Jerebko: Had a very good rookie year, versatile and solid defensively, a guy who would probably benefit from playing along side Wall. A restricted free agent likely to be retained by Detriot but you never know.

K-Mart: Would never sign here in a million years, will either take a discount to play for a contender or cost too much anyway.

Centers:

Nazr Mohammed: At this point he's had one really terrible year and seven really solid years in his last eight and he's a solid scorer and rebounder for a center. Definitely a solid backup center and if he's inexpensive because of his age and low profile I'd scoop him up as a "veteran mentor" without hesitation.

Chuck Hayes: Hayes has quietly become a pretty good player outside of his weirding ways on the defensive end and he is, I imagine, one of the more qualified players in the NBA to teach positional defense to big men. Look at his free throw percentages over time, the dude works his ass off.

Sammy Dalembert: Good rebounder, defender, bad at other things but he's good enough at the good things to be a very good backup center; will probably cost too much.

Jeff Foster: Good rebounder, passer. Worth a fourth or fifth big man spot providing he is prohibited from shooting.

So I guess if I had my choice and the cooperation of the players themselves contractually I'd grab (signing one player from each group):

Dragic (for upside)
Battier (I'd consider Barnes and Green but I'm heading off "where are our veteran role model" posts at the pass)
Jerebko (upside, defense, a little something... for the ladies)
Hayes (defense, relative youth, work ethic, guilt factor for underachieving youngsters)

Toss in three rookies, say Vesely, Mirotic, (Euros, lol) and Reggie Jackson, see if anybody wants to give up anything for Blatche, roll out with:

Wall/Dragic/Jackson
Young/Crawford
Battier/Lewis/Vesely
Blatche/Booker/Jerebko
McGee/Hayes

The idea would be to basically never play Lewis, work in Jerebko and Vesely at both forward spots and Battier at the two when going big, use any combination of two guards and let Jackson murder every basketball in North Dakota unless the team can do something about Blatche or Lewis. Mirotic backpacks across Europe until he finds his roster spot.

Edit: Wait, Seraphin didn't die, he'd be Reggie's accomplice I guess.
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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#95 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:53 am

Tyson Chandler?
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Post#96 » by eltacoman » Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:18 am

I know everybody is worried & afraid about his health but man when Healthy Oden is somthing else :o ... He defenitly needs to leave Portland to much pressure for him to be with the Playoff team that picked him 1st overall... a fresh start with a patient young team in need of post play with a Pass 1st PG could be the Cure for Greag Oden


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Re: 2011 Free Agent Targets 

Post#97 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:45 am

nate33 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Re: Mo Evans

I don't think he comes back. Assuming that Lewis is healthy next year and we draft Williams/Barnes, there won't be any minutes for him. Maybe he won't get more money from another team, but he can certianly get more floor time. Especially if the team is a contender trying to fill out their bench on the cheap.

I can see that. If we draft Barnes, Evans is almost surely gone. I'm not sure if that applies to Williams (who I think is a PF).

But let's not act like Mo Evans has a bunch of teams knocking on his door offering playing time. Basically, if you play Evans more than 10 minutes a game, you are in trouble. Evans will be willing to stay here and play behind Lewis because he'd be playing behind the starting SF (and possibly the backup SF) on any other team in the league.


I think you have players at the wrong positions. Me thinks Williams is going to be a strong SF ala LB and Melo. Mo is 6-5 and shoots 3s. Jeffers is 6-5 ish also. They would be at SG, not SF. And that is fine since Nick is starting and Crawford is backing up PG and SG. Mo is a 3 shooter. Jeffers is active defense and scrappy. Between Nick and Crawford there wont be a problem getting shoots off from the SG position.

Booker played SF down the stretch.
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Post#98 » by hands11 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:25 am

eltacoman wrote:I know everybody is worried & afraid about his health but man when Healthy Oden is somthing else :o ... He defenitly needs to leave Portland to much pressure for him to be with the Playoff team that picked him 1st overall... a fresh start with a patient young team in need of post play with a Pass 1st PG could be the Cure for Greag Oden


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Post#99 » by dangermouse » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:49 pm

I'd love to get Earl Watson or Battier on this team, teach up the youngins on how to play effective D. Earl is probably the best chance, he would be good to come in and teach Wall how to be a good defensive point. As long as his love of the mid range pull up jumper every single play when he has the ball doesnt rub off.
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Post#100 » by theboomking » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:58 pm

hands11 wrote:
eltacoman wrote:I know everybody is worried & afraid about his health but man when Healthy Oden is somthing else :o ... He defenitly needs to leave Portland to much pressure for him to be with the Playoff team that picked him 1st overall... a fresh start with a patient young team in need of post play with a Pass 1st PG could be the Cure for Greag Oden


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I hope were the team to take a chance on Oden... he diffidently has alot much more Potential than Yi Armstrong Thortan Marrison players we gave a chance to showcase what they have

GO WIZARDS


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I would still think about taking a flier on Oden. His slow recovery is predicted with the surgery he had, and the fact that he might miss next year is possibly the only reasons the trailblazers wouldn't match an offer.

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