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Post#81 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:07 am

Duke just got by Belmont, 77-76. They have three Plumlee brothers, all over 6'10, and many McDonald's All Americans. Austin Rivers, Seth Curry, Andre Dawkins are on their roster, but for the second time in two years they beat Belmont by just one point.

Austin Rivers had 16 points, but also 1 assist with 5 turnovers.

“Once the game pressure was on us, we grew up a lot tonight,” Krzyzewski said. “You can’t practice situations like that. Good teams put you in those situations, and Belmont’s just a really good basketball team.”


I'm off to check DX to see which Belmont stars are NBA prospects. Belmont did finish 30-5 last season. Belmont plays Memphis next.
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Post#82 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:38 pm

Not buying the hype on Andre Drummond based on his first game stats, but (edited) Anthony Davis had 23 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 blocks in only 23 minutes in his debut at Kentucky.

Andre Drummond ma[d]e his college debut on Friday in Connecticut's 70-57 win over Columbia.

Drummond, one of the consensus top picks in the 2012 NBA Draft should he declare, had four rebounds, two assists, one steal and one block in 12 minutes of play. He missed his one shot attempt. Drummond was limited due to foul trouble.

Drummond looked like an inexperienced freshman during most of his minutes.




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Post#83 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:06 pm

CCJ, it might be just a bit premature to throw Drummond under the bus - just a tad bit. I give Drummond a pass, because it was his first game, because it was only one game, and because he was playing with a mask on - due to what someone said was a broken nose.

But the story of that game wasn't Drummond, it was Lamb. Now, that Walker is gone, UConn probably has a better backcourt, because Lamb and Napier get to shine and show their true on-court personalities. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tnktoIj ... r_embedded

Btw, both Lamb guards - the one on UConn and on Kentucky - are fabulous shooting guards. But the one on UConn... wow - he's unique.

Edit - CCJ, that's Anthony Davis; not Anthony Johnson. He's really good - needless to say.
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Post#84 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:08 pm

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Source: 20-year-old age limit part of owners' proposal dlvr.it/vhC3M


Yikes! The 2012 draft just got a lot weaker.

Link? If true, that's terrible, but it'd be nice to know if that's legitimate info.

Edit - here's the link. http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... pa-lockout Apparently, it's one of 30-40 "B list proposals" the NBA made to the union. With all these last hour proposals, I gotta question the sincerity of the NBA really wanting to have a season this year.
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Post#85 » by daSwami » Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:47 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:Jeremy Lamb played well. His stroke looked on point, was moving well without the ball, played the passing lanes, and had a sick poster.

Meanwhile, Drummond underwhelmed. He didn't get that much PT, and got in foul trouble early in the 1st. He still doesn't know how to use his strength to his advantage. He only took 1 FG, and he was on the right block, and instead of trying to get good position and back him down, he settle for a turnaround jumpshot. It also doesn't seem like he has very good fundamentals on D, and looked a little slow recovering to his man on PNR's. And he got hit on that broken nose in the last minute, and had to leave the game. But going to college this year was a good decision. Instead of dominating HS scrubs and people smaller than him, it's not going to be easy for him in the Big East, and he'll have to work harder. He still looks pretty raw though, and has a steep learning curve, but I'm sure he'll get better and more comfortable. And he runs kind of like Chris Bosh lol. Take that as you want it.


Still! Even after one whole game of college ball.
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Post#86 » by Rafael122 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:33 pm

I think Henson needs to eat a steak every time he grabs a rebound and blocks a shot. EAT MAN, EAT!
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Post#87 » by miller31time » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:33 pm

Apparently, one of the new rules in the new NBA proposal is an age limit of 20.

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Post#88 » by theboomking » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:24 pm

The 20 year age limit would certainly hurt us. I hope that it wouldn't be instituted this year, but it probably would. The 20 year limit would essentially knock out Quincy Miller, Andre Drummond, Michael Gilchrist, Brad Beal, Austin Rivers, and my favorite, Anthony Davis. Luckily, we would still have Barnes, Sullinger, and Lamb.

Check out Lamb's performance in the Uconn game. His length is obviously elite, but Jeremy looks very good at creating his own shot without pounding the ball, and in catch and shoot situations, on defense, and generally has great hands and a high basketball IQ. Lamb is going to go top 5, and may be the top SG in the league in 5 years.
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If I had to make my wish list for the Wizards right now, I wouldn't be sure what to do with Drummond. I might go Davis, Drummond, Lamb, Barnes, Beal, or I might drop Drummond a bit if he keeps looking lost.
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Post#89 » by fugop » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:16 pm

Calling it right now: Chane Behanan from Louisville is going to be the best freshman in the Big East. He is a a monster. If he doesn't develop weight problems, he has Barkley-like potential at the next level.

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Post#90 » by 7-Day Dray » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:12 pm

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7-Day Dray wrote:Jeremy Lamb played well. His stroke looked on point, was moving well without the ball, played the passing lanes, and had a sick poster.

Meanwhile, Drummond underwhelmed. He didn't get that much PT, and got in foul trouble early in the 1st. He still doesn't know how to use his strength to his advantage. He only took 1 FG, and he was on the right block, and instead of trying to get good position and back him down, he settle for a turnaround jumpshot. It also doesn't seem like he has very good fundamentals on D, and looked a little slow recovering to his man on PNR's. And he got hit on that broken nose in the last minute, and had to leave the game. But going to college this year was a good decision. Instead of dominating HS scrubs and people smaller than him, it's not going to be easy for him in the Big East, and he'll have to work harder. He still looks pretty raw though, and has a steep learning curve, but I'm sure he'll get better and more comfortable. And he runs kind of like Chris Bosh lol. Take that as you want it.


Still! Even after one whole game of college ball.


He's been like this since HS. I've watched a few of his HS games, and have read a few scouting reports talking about this very same problem. Instead of using his strength and physical tools to his advantage, he settles a lot and tries to finesse stuff.

Here's a snippet of DX's scouting report of him from HS:

While Drummond's passing ability is very unique and intriguing from a long-term perspective, it heavily plays into a major problem with his game: his lack of assertiveness in using his physical tools. Rarely will Drummond use his body to establish strong post position or call for the ball on the block, being much more content to run out to the perimeter and serve as a passing cog in his team's offense. When he does get the ball, he usually opts for weak finesse moves like turnaround jumpers and hook shots, neither of which he converts consistently.



From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1dXGw61wm
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But big men always get the benefit of the doubt from me, especially this early on. I'm willing to bet he hits stride by the Big East slate, at the latest he might be really rolling by the Big East tourny.
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Post#91 » by Rafael122 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:55 am

Austin Rivers is going to get smoked on D at the next level. He's basically a matador on defense.
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Post#92 » by go'stags » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:24 am

Quick thoughts:

Big fan of Lamb, combines all of his ability with exceptional bball IQ. I'm a bit concerned as to his ability to get to the FT line, but I think he can get better.

Huge fan of John Henson as well. He might need to play next to a banger who takes up space, but he can definitely play in the NBA. His shot is looking better as well. I like him much more than I ever liked Brandon Wright or Ed Davis.

I am very intrigued by Tyler Zeller. An Center with that type of game is very unique. I don't know if it will translate to the the NBA, but he is 7ft tall with quick feet. Need to see more.
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Post#93 » by Halcyon » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:59 am

Highlights of Anthony Davis from game #1 (exhibition), in case anybody missed it.

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Kentucky played a scrub team, but man this guy is so nimble for his size..scary.
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Post#94 » by Ruzious » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:01 pm

go'stags wrote:Quick thoughts:

Big fan of Lamb, combines all of his ability with exceptional bball IQ. I'm a bit concerned as to his ability to get to the FT line, but I think he can get better.

Huge fan of John Henson as well. He might need to play next to a banger who takes up space, but he can definitely play in the NBA. His shot is looking better as well. I like him much more than I ever liked Brandon Wright or Ed Davis.

I am very intrigued by Tyler Zeller. An Center with that type of game is very unique. I don't know if it will translate to the the NBA, but he is 7ft tall with quick feet. Need to see more.

Speaking as someone who never liked Brandon Wright and thought Davis was overrated, you're preaching to the choir on Henson and Zeller. I was saying last year that Zeller is the most underrated prospect I know of in college ball... and I still say it. And Henson is a stud - he's come a longggg way since he was a freshman toothpick. And his offensive ability is still very underrated. Notice how quickly he can get to the basket - with his combo of length and explosion. And in their first game, I noticed he's developing a left-handed drive - it's not as smooth as his right hand, but if he continues to develop that and improve his jump shot, he's going to be an offensive force - not just defense and rebounding.
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Post#95 » by fishercob » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:06 pm

It's very important to not underestimate the added benefit of Davis' eyebrow(s). The shear intimidation factor of his opponents always thinking he's angry is just huge:

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Post#96 » by Rafael122 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:13 pm

Zeller is definitely one of those players who's going to have a 10-12 year career. He's got the fundamentals down, basically just a smart, solid player.
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Post#97 » by Lightz » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:17 am

Rafael122 wrote:Austin Rivers is going to get smoked on D at the next level. He's basically a matador on defense.


I completely (edit:mostly) disagree. I'm super super biased as a duke fan but I've been watching Rivers the past couple years and when he buckles down on D he's really good. If anything he'll get abused by bigger stronger guards in the nba but his lateral quickness is off the charts and in all of duke's games he's been our only guard capable of really locking the quickest player on the other team. I don't know if he'll be an elite defender but his quickness does carry over to the defensive end so he won't get burned off the dribble every possession like someone like Steph Curry (or for that matter his brother on duke) does.

You are right in that he's taken some defensive possessions off, or completely lost his man off-ball, but Coach K has promptly pulled him when he does this in our China and exhibition games :D IMO by the end of this year he'll be a real good defender of smaller guards, but we'll have to wait and see.

I don't know if Rivers would be a great pick for the wizards with NY on board but he does use his athleticism to attack the basket much better than Young does, although his stroke is not nearly as good. Rivers is much more tenacious though and wouldn't be a bad pick in the right situation, but I'd rather us get one of this draft classes beastly wings or bigs.
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Post#98 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:50 am

I've only seen Rivers once, and it's probably bad to come to a conclusion about a player you've just seen once, but I concur with Lightz. I was extremely impressed by the kid - and I'm anything but a Duke fan. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't become a very good defender - the kid is intense, athletic, and ultra-competitve. Some people have been critical of his attitude; my firt impression is the opposite - that he's got great intangibles. But I need to see him play more.
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Post#99 » by closg00 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:03 am

This thread will be our home, that and the Lock-out thread. :-(
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Post#100 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:45 pm

closg00 wrote:This thread will be our home, that and the Lock-out thread. :-(

You know it's bad when I'm talking about potential 2nd round picks already. :lol: I really like Bernard James on FlaSt - even though he probably won't get drafted due to being 26 and being very limited offensively. Dude is a moose in phenominal shape and loves to play defense. Hopefully, someone thinking he can be a poor man's Ben Wallace will give him a look. He will work his arse off and understands his limitations.
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