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Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#81 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:07 pm

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dangermouse wrote:I feel like McGee and Ibaka are roughly on the same level, McGee's O is a lot better and he has the higher cieling.

Someone will pay Ibaka, maybe not quite as much as McGee will get, but McGee will actually be worth it.

Not with McGee shooting 40% from the line. Ibaka is the better player, and he'll most likely get paid more. The entire Association realizes that Javale has... problems, and everyone's going to be have trepidations about signing him to a long-term deal. My guess is that Javale signs a 1 year deal with the Wiz - much like Nick's.

I don't think a QO if a very likely outcome. The difference with McGee relative to Young is that somebody is going to offer McGee a substantial contract. It may not be the $10-12M a year he is presumably seeking, but it's going to be at least $8M a year if not more. That means he'll be taking at least a $5M pay cut next year by accepting the QO. So he's got to walk away from $5M and then he'd have to pursue free agency the following year when the tighter luxtax standards kick in.

When Nick took the QO, he was presumably looking at maybe a $5M a year contract. The QO was only a $2M paycut this year. He is only gambling $2M that he can do better than $5M a year next summer. And next summer, there's still likely to be plenty of free agency dollars floating around.

I see what you mean, but I think he'll end up taking the opportunity to become a UFA the next year - thinking he's worth a lot more than everyone else does - just like Nick.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#82 » by TGW » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:32 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:Time to get rid of the malcontents and the fools gold players on our team and bring in guys who can be steady contributors.

Wizards trade:

Javale McGee
Jordan Crawford
Shelvin Mack

Blazers trade:
Nick Batum
Nolan Smith

Why for the Blazers? Camby isn't gonna be around forever, and it's possible that a more structured team and organization can bring out the best in McGee. At worst, he'll be a quality 3rd big behind Camby and Aldrige.

Why for the Wizards? Sure that leaves us with no center and trades our most "exciting" prospect. But it might be time to sell high on McGee and his "potential". I know it's big for small, and I know McGee looks like a star at times. But I honestly don't see McGee staying anyway, and I don't think a competent GM would pay him 60 million over 5 years, so let's get good value for him now (namely a shooting defensive SF who could be at worst a quality #3 option) and a solid backup PG that's ready to play now.

Wizards trade

Andray Blatche

Lakers trade

Luke Walton
LAL/DAl 1st round pick

Probably the best we can get for him, if anything.

C: Turiaf/Seraphin
PF: Booker/Vesely
SF: Batum/Singleton
SG: Young/Mason
PG: Wall/Smith

Lewis becomes perma DNPed.

The hope is of course that we land Davis or Drummond in the draft, but if we get #3 or something, we could try swinging a deal for a young center like Monroe or *ugh* Cousins. If all else fails we could take Sullinger, who I think would fit well with Vesely. And the thing is, I think that lineup would win more games than our current lineup. We'd still suck offensively, but we'd have quality defenders and more hustle, and we'd have more shooters on the court than before. And other than Young, don't see any real "knuckleheads".


I would do these deals, although simplify the Mcgee deal and just make it McGee for Batum straight up. No need to involve Crawford or Mack in that deal.

I'm not too sure the Lakers do that one.

Other than that, this looks better.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#83 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:Time to get rid of the malcontents and the fools gold players on our team and bring in guys who can be steady contributors.

Wizards trade:

Javale McGee
Jordan Crawford
Shelvin Mack

Blazers trade:
Nick Batum
Nolan Smith

Not interested. Batum will be a RFA this summer and he wants a big payday. Personally, I'd rather overpay a guy like McGee who at least has the upside to be a difference maker. I like Batum as a quality 3&D role player, but not at the $8M a year he is rumored to be demanding.

If we trade McGee, I'd want it for a guy who is locked into a contract for a bit longer - and preferably at position of greater need (SG or PF). I can't think of anybody who fits that description, except maybe Derrick Williams.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#84 » by llcc25 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:59 pm

I'm fine with that McGee for Batum deal straight up. I think we should and do end up passing on McGee this summer anyways as I think some team will offer him a long term deal of $10m+ and IMO thats a bit too much for him. I don't want to be like LAC and NYK who are probably regretting the signings and both teams are somewhat stuck. So there really is not much loss of an asset here.
Batum would be an immediate upgrade at SF over Vesely/Singleton as unlike them, he can shoot. And there is a good chance of signing him this summer to reasonable long-term deal. And maybe reuniting him with his european teammate, Seraphin does good for both.

That makes us thin at center for the remainder of season, but since its already lost, we just play Blatche and Seraphin there and hopefully Turiaf comes back to help out this season
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#85 » by Silvie Lysandra » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:20 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chaos Revenant wrote:Time to get rid of the malcontents and the fools gold players on our team and bring in guys who can be steady contributors.

Wizards trade:

Javale McGee
Jordan Crawford
Shelvin Mack

Blazers trade:
Nick Batum
Nolan Smith

Not interested. Batum will be a RFA this summer and he wants a big payday. Personally, I'd rather overpay a guy like McGee who at least has the upside to be a difference maker. I like Batum as a quality 3&D role player, but not at the $8M a year he is rumored to be demanding.

If we trade McGee, I'd want it for a guy who is locked into a contract for a bit longer - and preferably at position of greater need (SG or PF). I can't think of anybody who fits that description, except maybe Derrick Williams.


1: I don't mind paying Batum 8 million a year - I think that he still has quite a lot of room to grow, and could probably be an 18 ppg 3rd option as a shooter.

2: Batum is probably the best value we're getting for McGee unless the Wolves are giving up on Derrick Williams already.

Also, if Turiaf can't go we could sign a guy like Pryzbilla, or someone who can be another veteran mentor in the mold of Singleton.

I think we need to stop chasing raw upside and sign some solid players who can build a winning culture, even if they don't neccesarily win. Though if we get Drummond, we'd have to draft him even though Sullinger would be better sooner.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#86 » by llcc25 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:24 pm

The only problem with the proposed Batum trade is that POR would just rather keep him this year since they are contenders in West and he does play key role in contributing major minutes and points behind Wallace at SF and Matthews at SG. So I realistically don't see them being interested in this now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#87 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:09 pm

My thinking is go after the guy who was picked 1 ahead of Jan Vesely - the other Euro JV - Jonas Valanciunas - Toronto's property. He's still just 19 years old - his numbers are a little down so far this season (7 games), but he's still shooting 57% from the field and 79% from the line - and rebounding at a 13.1 per 40 minutes rate. And he'll be cheap for 4 seasons. Trade Javale and 2nd round picks for him and either Solomon Alabi or Aaron Gray (to make it legal). I doubt Toronto does it - because of the money - but it's possible.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#88 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:33 pm

I'd definitely explore that idea, Ruzious. THAT's the kind of McGee trade that makes sense. Trade him for a long term prospect who will be cheap for a while.

If we want Batum, we should just try and sign him. Why give up McGee to make it happen?
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#89 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:38 pm

Yeah, if you make that trade, you could still sign Batum and have plenty of cap room left.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#90 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:57 pm

Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?
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Post#91 » by TGW » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:00 pm

Blazinaway wrote:Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?


No, it would have to be Batum. Our need for a small forward is much greater than at shooting guard.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#92 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:04 pm

TGW wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?


No, it would have to be Batum. Our need for a small forward is much greater than at shooting guard.


Okay, thx, did not know what you guys needed or wanted most.
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Post#93 » by Blazinaway » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:27 pm

from what I have gathered most Blazer fans would do the Batum for McGee trade - straight up. Now if we can get our GM's to get er done!
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#94 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:39 pm

Blazinaway wrote:Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?

Wizards fans who would do that trade aren't thinking straight. If the Wizards want Batum, they can sign him in free agency. They have the cap room to put forth a generous offer, and Portland already has Wallace at that position so they'd be loathe to match a high enough offer.

The Wizards could retain McGee and sign Batum. Why trade McGee?
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#95 » by TGW » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:06 pm

nate33 wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?

Wizards fans who would do that trade aren't thinking straight. If the Wizards want Batum, they can sign him in free agency. They have the cap room to put forth a generous offer, and Portland already has Wallace at that position so they'd be loathe to match a high enough offer.

The Wizards could retain McGee and sign Batum. Why trade McGee?


The chances of getting Batum in FA are extremely slim, Nate. He's going to be extended. My thinking is that I'd rather give Batum 7 mil/year than give McGee 10+ mil/year. I don't think McGee is worth a large contract--his lack of maturity, and the mistake with Blatche's extension, has turned me off as far as a long-term deal is concerned. I'm more willing to give that money to a young player who plays with a high IQ and isn't in love with their own stats.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#96 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:14 pm

TGW wrote:
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Blazinaway wrote:Hi, POR fan here, seems some of you like the Batum for McGee deal. I am curious if you would do a McGee for Wes Matthews deal with whatever filler necessary?

Wizards fans who would do that trade aren't thinking straight. If the Wizards want Batum, they can sign him in free agency. They have the cap room to put forth a generous offer, and Portland already has Wallace at that position so they'd be loathe to match a high enough offer.

The Wizards could retain McGee and sign Batum. Why trade McGee?


The chances of getting Batum in FA are extremely slim, Nate. He's going to be extended. My thinking is that I'd rather give Batum 7 mil/year than give McGee 10+ mil/year. I don't think McGee is worth a large contract--his lack of maturity, and the mistake with Blatche's extension, has turned me off as far as a long-term deal is concerned. I'm more willing to give that money to a young player who plays with a high IQ and isn't in love with their own stats.

Well, then sign Wilson Chandler in the offseason. Role playing SF's aren't that hard to find. I just don't understand the rationale for giving away McGee. We've got nobody to play center behind him. If he's gone, we've got a giant hole to fill.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#97 » by llcc25 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:21 pm

Nate33 - although unlikely b/c POR would want to hold onto Batum for atleast this season b/c they are contending in West, another good reason for doing the trade now before deadline as opposed to just sign Batum at end of season when he's restricted FA is to see how he meshes with our team at the SF position alongside Wall. It would be a great opportunity to essentially see how he fits in before committing to him in summer for a long term deal. We already know what McGee was offering and based on the likelihood that his price tag will be $10m+, its fair to assume that we let him walk anyways, so we don't have much leverage there from a trade standpoint to begin with.
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Post#98 » by llcc25 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:42 pm

nate33, what giant hole do we have to fill??? dude gave us 20 minutes last night and put up 2 pts and 2 rebounds...he played tony battie to a draw...he's almost always out of position defensively and at such an important position you can't have that...in no way am i advocating just giving him away, and on a team that doesn't have as many holes, he may be of value..but not for us..t at this juncture unless we're willing to give him $10m+/year, which I"m not in favor of, we don't have much options.

And I don't see McGee ever being anything more than the 4th option offensively for us (assuming we get our stud PF in draft or FA, and sign EGordon and pick up a SF like Batum). Does it make sense paying a 4th option on offense and someone who plays bad defense $10m/year?

Billy Bean would say that would be a bad move and I agree. : )
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#99 » by llcc25 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:07 pm

Jonas V + Kleiza for McGee and Vesley works on trade checker.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#100 » by Benjammin » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:10 pm

llcc25 wrote:Jonas V + Kleiza for McGee and Vesley works on trade checker.


I like Jonas V, but please back slowly away from the trade checker and at least the Wizards won't get hurt. :lol:

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