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Post#81 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:51 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Wittman is the main reason why we lost. His 2nd half coaching was beyond awful.


Oh. Right.

How about Mo Evans giving us the skinny on how clueless these players are.

You think Flip didnt try ? You think Mo, Mason, Lewis, Ronny, Sam and now Whittman aren't telling them.

Stupid is as stupid does. Nick is stupid. McGee is stupid.

Nick in the post game. Oh yeah oh yeah. Most definitely. blah blah. yeah yeah. Most definitely.
Wow. All his answers were clueless. He really doesn't get it.
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Re: SAC VS Washington GT... NOW 

Post#82 » by llcc25 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:54 am

vesley 1 minute of pt and 0-2 from FT...let's face it...this guy is a bust for 6th pick. he can't even get backup minutes...lol
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Post#83 » by closg00 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:55 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Wittman is the main reason why we lost. His 2nd half coaching was beyond awful.


+1 but he had plenty of help.
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Post#84 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:55 am

Listening to Walls post game.

At least he seems to be maturing.
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Post#85 » by LyricalRico » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:56 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Wittman is the main reason why we lost. His 2nd half coaching was beyond awful.


Really? So Wittman told McGee to play like an idiot in the 3rd, and Wall to play like an idiot in the 4th? Wittman told Young to keep chucking even though he was double teamed? Wittman told them not to box out the Sacto guards so they could get put backs at will?

I'm guessing that Wittman probably told them to do the opposite of that. These guys are selfish idiots, plain and simple. It doesn't matter who coaches them.
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Post#86 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:58 am

llcc25 wrote:vesley 1 minute of pt and 0-2 from FT...let's face it...this guy is a bust for 6th pick. he can't even get backup minutes...lol


You do realize he was sick. That is why he wasn't playing.
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Post#87 » by 7-Day Dray » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:03 am

LyricalRico wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:Wittman is the main reason why we lost. His 2nd half coaching was beyond awful.


Really? So Wittman told McGee to play like an idiot in the 3rd, and Wall to play like an idiot in the 4th? Wittman told Young to keep chucking even though he was double teamed? Wittman told them not to box out the Sacto guards so they could get put backs at will?

I'm guessing that Wittman probably told them to do the opposite of that. These guys are selfish idiots, plain and simple. It doesn't matter who coaches them.


Wittman didn't run any plays. He let the guards play iso/streetball. It was ridiculous.
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Post#88 » by dlts20 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:03 am

Witt and the players suck but dont tell me that these players are failing Flip & Witt. There system isnt right for this team, plain & simple. You have to change your system to fit your talent and they refuse to do that.

Then Lee has the article on the Insider about the SF problem and Witt talks a ton but doesnt mention JV's name not one single time. You seriously cant even give him a look when these guys are stinking it up? Again, its not like they are stretchign the floor anyways. Atleast let the #6 pick try
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Post#89 » by Halcyon » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:11 am

dlts20 wrote:Witt and the players suck but dont tell me that these players are failing Flip & Witt. There system isnt right for this team, plain & simple. You have to change your system to fit your talent and they refuse to do that.

Then Lee has the article on the Insider about the SF problem and Witt talks a ton but doesnt mention JV's name not one single time. You seriously cant even give him a look when these guys are stinking it up? Again, its not like they are stretchign the floor anyways. Atleast let the #6 pick try

What talent?
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Post#90 » by dlts20 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:16 am

Halcyon wrote:
dlts20 wrote:Witt and the players suck but dont tell me that these players are failing Flip & Witt. There system isnt right for this team, plain & simple. You have to change your system to fit your talent and they refuse to do that.

Then Lee has the article on the Insider about the SF problem and Witt talks a ton but doesnt mention JV's name not one single time. You seriously cant even give him a look when these guys are stinking it up? Again, its not like they are stretchign the floor anyways. Atleast let the #6 pick try

What talent?

we arent as bad as we play. Again, I think if we had a great pick & roll type system or a high screen offense then we would look alot better. Its the #1 play in the NBA and we never run it even though we have one of the most explosive players in the league. Wall would kill at it.

Then some of the things we do, we dont run the right way. Other coaches would teach it better. Then you get guys playing right by holding them accountable.

Either way, this system sucks. I dont care what anyone says. This system is made to shoot jumpers and its made for an older, vetran, halfcourt team. Witt has picked up the pace but he's still using the same crap system. We would look way better with D'Antoni, SVG's, Don Nelson's system, and so on. Rick Adelman is the coach we shouldve got and it was a no brainer
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Post#91 » by ST21 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:19 am

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llcc25 wrote:vesley 1 minute of pt and 0-2 from FT...let's face it...this guy is a bust for 6th pick. he can't even get backup minutes...lol


You do realize he was sick. That is why he wasn't playing.


what does that have to do with anything? even if he wasn't sick he's still been a bust

he scared to shoot. his defense is mediocre at best and he can't even hit free throws. i know dudes at my local gym that are better.
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Post#92 » by llcc25 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:21 am

Halcyon wrote:
dlts20 wrote:Witt and the players suck but dont tell me that these players are failing Flip & Witt. There system isnt right for this team, plain & simple. You have to change your system to fit your talent and they refuse to do that.

Then Lee has the article on the Insider about the SF problem and Witt talks a ton but doesnt mention JV's name not one single time. You seriously cant even give him a look when these guys are stinking it up? Again, its not like they are stretchign the floor anyways. Atleast let the #6 pick try

What talent?

Exactly, we don't have the players to run any other system than jump shots from perimeter. We have absolutely no legit post threat so what do you expect? What killed us more than the one on one play today was our defense. We scored enough points but when when you give up 115 pts to a Sac team, that's trouble. McGee let Cousins have 9 offensive boards. His defense in the paint was horrible as usual.
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Post#93 » by llcc25 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:26 am

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hands11 wrote:
llcc25 wrote:vesley 1 minute of pt and 0-2 from FT...let's face it...this guy is a bust for 6th pick. he can't even get backup minutes...lol


You do realize he was sick. That is why he wasn't playing.


what does that have to do with anything? even if he wasn't sick he's still been a bust

he scared to shoot. his defense is mediocre at best and he can't even hit free throws. i know dudes at my local gym that are better.

Vesely is now 7-19 on FTs for the year...that's less than 40%!!! my 8 year old son can shoot better ft's...no excuse...they should have him shoot like 1000 free throws a day...
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Post#94 » by miller31time » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:09 am

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Post#95 » by closg00 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:15 am

I am reminded of the recent tap article about Davis's efforts to keep tipped-balls in-bounds. SMH
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Post#96 » by LyricalRico » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:20 am

^ And just to give that clip some context, it wasn't a typical McGee goaltend. It was the possession after McGee thought he was fouled and didn't get the call. So he pouts and purposely whacks the ball like a volleyball into the stands. Like I said - selfish idiots.
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Post#97 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:24 am

Grunfeld just doesn't have the GM skills to bring in a legitimate starting caliber player. His projects turn out to be at best 6th man players playing heavy minutes.
He also doesn't have he player developmental skills to tranform his projects into finished starting caliber players and we know this because we finally have the results.

Blatche---7th man at best.
Young--7th 8th man at best.
Booker--7th 8th
Crawford--7th 8th
Seraphin--10th
Singleton--8th or 9th probably D league.
Vesely--I can't shoot a jumper or hit a free throw or palm a basketball 7 footer--8th or 9th man.
Mack--7th or 8th.
Lewis---broken down big time---i used to be good--but i had injury history when you got me---8th or 9th
Mack--rookie 7th or 8th he has some promise.
Butler--6th man for LA lakers---knee problems--currently a bench player
Jamison--bench player from Dallas--currently a bench player
Hughes---has been a bench player since he left the wizards.
Mike Miller--currently a bench player
Foye---currently a bench player

Michael Redd==bench player
Arenas--starter
Wall--starter

We need a GM with the creativity and deal making skills to bring in Starters...not a bunch of 6th men players.
Atlanta getting Joe Johnson was huge. atlanta drafting josh smith huge.
Dallas Mavericks getting Jason terry and shawn Marion was huge. Phoenix getting steve nash from dallas. Utah Jazz getting Al Jefferson. Chicago bulls going out and getting carlos boozer.
Memphis getting Marc Gasol and signing Conley to a longterm cheap contract or getting Allen from Boston.
You need a GM who knows how to build a strong world class player development program if you plan on rebuilding through the draft and with young players. Even still you need
Build your team w/5 shooters using P. Pierce Form deeply bent hips and lower back arch at same time b4 rising into shot. Elbow never pointing to the ground! Good teams have an engine player that shoot volume (2000 full season) at 50 percent.Large Hands
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Post#98 » by Ed Wood » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:25 am

So yeah, just back from this one. Good to see everyone's taking it so well, the famous Realgm stiff upper lip but actually I'd say try to keep in mind that this is a hobby and hobbies are intended to be enjoyable.

That said the game was pretty terrible. The first half, though it was a ton of fun, was just about the worst half of defensive basketball from Sacramento that I've seen this year. Roger Mason Jr managed an uncontested finish at the basket and I don't think much more than that needs to be said. Wall had an absolutely phenomenal first quarter and was very solid in the second as well. I don't think he did anything that I really had an issue with until the third. Crawford's incredible first half was in large part due to Jimmer Fredette, who was conspicuously glued to the bench for the entire second half and not coincidentally the Kings were not incredibly embarrassing defensively in the second. The other thing that really helped in the first was that the Wizards weren't incredibly shameful on the boards and so managed a much more uptempo offensive style which led to a lot of decent shots. Marcus Thornton also basically took a siesta for the entire first half and I have no idea why he was so much better in the second.

Anyway the really big thing other than Wall falling down several times was the huge whiny baby fit JaVale threw which I'm glad was transmitted sufficiently in the broadcast. Other than that I'd say on the upside there were a fair number of Kings fans who seemed much more Jimmer fans than actual fans of the team and given that he was very bad and then entirely absent there were probably a fair number of disappointed Mormons in the Verizon Center. So that's a silver lining I guess.
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Post#99 » by miller31time » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:25 am

LyricalRico wrote:^ And just to give that clip some context, it wasn't a typical McGee goaltend. It was the possession after McGee thought he was fouled and didn't get the call. So he pouts and purposely whacks the ball like a volleyball into the stands. Like I said - selfish idiots.


And in addition -- Buck and Phil were actually critical of what McGee did.

For Buck and Phil to be critical of something, it means what that player did is so beyond idiotic, it ventures into felony.
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Post#100 » by miller31time » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:27 am

Ed Wood wrote:disappointed Mormons


Isn't that an oxymoron?

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