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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#81 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jul 8, 2012 6:55 pm

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Sad news for CCJ, per the article, Mo Almond will be on the Thunders SL team.


:lol:


That is actually good news!

The Wizards would rather pay Courtney Lee than acknowledge Cartier Martin, who I thought was ahead of Morris Almond. The Wizards are going to bring back Roger Mason, because that is the way they roll. It is not about competition or merit. It is always about favorites and the perception that other team's talent is better. That is why the Wizards would pay so much for Ariza and Okafor--they have a name.

I think it is very wise for Morris not to be coached by the very guys who want a spot at SG/SF on a roster at a position where the team is still seeking FA talent. Does Almond have a better shot with OKC? I don't know. I do know he's with a better team, a team with a MUCH better GM, and if he makes the Thunder he will be better off.

The Wizards did well to give him the opportunity and I'm grateful and happy for him.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#82 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:04 pm

Here is OKC's summer roster. http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/summerle ... 12/july-10

No household names. I think Almond probably realized between Crawford and Beal he has two younger guys who will get all the minutes at SG. There are no minutes at SF between Ariza and Singleton. There are no scraps/roster spots left after Mason, Martin, perhaps Evans, and maybe a Courtney Lee.

On OKC Harden is firmly established and so is Sefolosha. Fisher would be mostly the backup PG and he is very old. They have Maynor and Jackson but neither have proved themselves.

The odds are against not just Almond but against anyone who doesn't stick as a rookie in the NBA. Martin and Singleton are good players and they have not spot. Maybe Almond can beat the odds in OKC. I promise you if he does, I will laugh about it here, loudly and often.

Just because he's no good in the Wizards eyes that doesn't mean a thing.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#83 » by JonathanJoseph » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:20 pm

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JonathanJoseph wrote:Someone earlier in this thread was in such a lather said something like "Ernie didn't even think he needed a 2nd rookie" which is so ignorant as to be factually false. Just like in the Satoransky thread when people were accusing Ernie of "wasting" a pick despite the fact that they'd never seen the player play before. And to those noting that Jeremy Lin was found in summer league, it wasn't even the Knicks who had him on their SL team.

Could you explain what you are trying to say please? e.g.

1. what does "so ignorant as to be factually false" mean?

2. Are you saying that Satoransky was a high-value pick at #32 in a draft that included a handful or more of players that were pushed into round 2, because of how many guys stayed in school to avoid the lockout? If so, you are saying that in splendid isolation.

3. Lin had terrific college numbers but wasn't drafted. He came to many people's attention in SL. What difference does it make whose team he was on?


1. Satoransky and others are 2nd and further rookies on the summer league roster. So it's false to say that EG didn't feel the need for a 2nd rookie.

2. No one knows the value of any of the rookies. I made no judgment about the value of the pick.

3. Right, so blasting the GM when he might have his eye on players on other rosters who won't take away playing time from his own young players (Mack, Vesely etc).
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#84 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:28 pm

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mohammed10 wrote:Good look at where some of the local guys are playing this Summer...

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... edID=10480


Sad news for CCJ, per the article, Mo Almond will be on the Thunders SL team.

Not necessarily. I think you play in SL for everyone to take a look at you. Not sure I see a place for Almond on the Thunder for the season.

That said, it's important for us to sign James Singleton, and I'd sign Cartier Martin over Almond. With JS and CM, we are at 14 unless I'm wrong. (unless we amnesty Blatche)


payitforward, I had to admit that I had Cartier over Martin as well. Cartier's appeared the last three seasons with the Wizards and he deserves some long term security. He is athletic and he is a clutch shooter.

James Singleton would be fine to sign but the Wizards added Okafor and now I think they've made minutes almost impossible to come by for J Singleton. The only way I could see adding him is to trade Vesely or Booker. I would keep Vesely, so that means IMO Booker would have to go for James to be brought back.

I agree with you totally on Mo. He needs to be seen. Not sure if he will with all those guys on the Thunder SL roster. It really depends on which coaches know him and how well he get along with the PGs on that roster. Shots and minutes will be hard to come by and the odds are against it.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#85 » by jivelikenice » Sun Jul 8, 2012 8:44 pm

Been out of town and was hoping you guys could clarify something for me. Is Satoransky playing now or is he working out with his national team?
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#86 » by TGW » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:47 pm

CCJ, the sooner you realize Mo Almond isn't any good, the better off you'll be for it. Dude was a serious disappointment last season. He didn't make open shots when he had the looks, and he simply looked overmatched against good players. He is not an NBA player.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#87 » by hands11 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:30 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
mohammed10 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Sad news for CCJ, per the article, Mo Almond will be on the Thunders SL team.


:lol:


That is actually good news!

The Wizards would rather pay Courtney Lee than acknowledge Cartier Martin, who I thought was ahead of Morris Almond. The Wizards are going to bring back Roger Mason, because that is the way they roll. It is not about competition or merit. It is always about favorites and the perception that other team's talent is better. That is why the Wizards would pay so much for Ariza and Okafor--they have a name.

I think it is very wise for Morris not to be coached by the very guys who want a spot at SG/SF on a roster at a position where the team is still seeking FA talent. Does Almond have a better shot with OKC? I don't know. I do know he's with a better team, a team with a MUCH better GM, and if he makes the Thunder he will be better off.

The Wizards did well to give him the opportunity and I'm grateful and happy for him.


Come on CCJ. Let go of the hate. Hate tarnishes the soul. That is some serious negative spin you put on there.

How about this.

The Wiz would bring back Mason because they want to add a mature vet who has a history with the team and who is a good catch and shoot 3 pt shooter. Someone with established NBA experience. He even played for SA on a playoff team. When you just drafted a rookie SG and you have Crawford who has only 2 years experience, it makes sense to bring back Mason for stability and influence. This is still a very young team so having a quality guy like Mason around is a good idea. Specially when they pretty much promised him that when he ended his year to go get his finger operated on. Almonds has played 38 games in 4 years since his first pro game and shoots .292 from three pts land. So you really think he would be a better 3rd SG for the Wizards then Mason given the roster ? Objectively I think you would say no.

EG could easily be blowing smoke regarding Lee. What harm is there in doing that. It keeps the Wizards name out there and it cost nothing. He blow lots of smoke before the draft when we wanted Beal. Who did we get ? Beal. Charlotte could have easily have taken him. Lots of posters here were freaking out. They feared we could end up with Barnes and busted on Ted/EG over nothing. Why. Because we got Beal so all the panic was for nothing.

Also, we heard nothing before the Lewis trade but that is what happened. No smoke. Just execution. And everyone freaked. Now more understand the logic of the move. I expect they will like it even better once they see them playing together. Just like some freaked about the Nene trade which personally I love the trade.

And don't count Martin out.

They have been consistent in saying they wanted to bring him back. Chatter about FAs they are interested in is just that until it happens. Its chatter. Someone just posted an article about Lee and the Wizards were not even mentioned.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/7/3/ ... in-wizards
The Washington Wizards are looking to keep Cartier Martin after he played well near the end of last season following a stint in China. They have reached out to Martin's representatives and there's a "good chance" he'll return, reports CSN Washington's Ben Standig.

His return isn't quite imminent, though, and other teams, such as the San Antonio Spurs and Orlando Magic, have also reached out to Martin. Standig also notes that Martin likely will not receive quite as much playing time as he did last year. Nevertheless, it looks like there's a good chance Martin will be back on the squad next year.

The Wiz have his Bird rights. They are probably just trying to figure out what they will need to pay him to keep him. I would guess it is Martin who is holding out, not the Wizards. He is probably playing his leverage for more money which is smart of him.

And if he is in, there is no room for Almond. Your right. He should go looking some place else and he should be happy the Wizards gave him a call up last year. Which I think you would agree was a good move.

This team has been making solid moves and they have a solid roster. They didnt make every move I suggested but they have made several and they were good moves. I understand their logic of the others which were also good moves. I haven't seen what I would call a bad move in a long while. And the end result is solid. They have a team what is full of solid characters with a couple studs, lots of young players with upside and a coach I like on a two year contract. I'm going to enjoy watching them make the playoffs this year. I believe you will also.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#88 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:55 am

TGW wrote:CCJ, the sooner you realize Mo Almond isn't any good, the better off you'll be for it. Dude was a serious disappointment last season. He didn't make open shots when he had the looks, and he simply looked overmatched against good players. He is not an NBA player.


And the sooner you appreciate that his defense was stellar and the Wizards outscored their opponents by 31 points per 48 minutes when he was on the floor, I will say he has a chance to be an NBA player.

I appreciate that you saw him shooting shots with his feet not set, you saw him look nervous etc. However, I know he took a grand total of 17 shots. He played 66 minutes. What I saw was a guy who was consistently in the right place defensively. The one thing he did exceptionally well was defend. He gave enough effort to have 5 steals in a game.

No, I'm not going to say the guy doesn't belong because I know he would be better at SG than Jordan Crawford. When you give a guy a license to be an inefficient chucker and ignore all metrics that say the team is worse with him on the court; it is amazing people value his contribution. I have posted some 82games stats and nerd numbers of Mo's 66 minutes with the Wizards but it is pointless to discuss when you and others say he's overmatched.

The same people said McGee sucked. They even watched McGee play more playoff games than Okafor has and STILL SAY McGee sucks. I could point to the same metrics that say his playoff PER was over 20. The Nuggets were better with him on the floor. He blocked shots and rebounded well, even if Bynum dominated. Bynum SAID McGee's hook is unstoppable. But if you don't like McGee your mind is made up.

I am no better than you or others. My mind is made up. Almond didn't stick with the Wizards but he's just as good or better than many NBA players.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#89 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 9, 2012 7:03 am

TGW wrote:CCJ, the sooner you realize Mo Almond isn't any good, the better off you'll be for it. Dude was a serious disappointment last season. He didn't make open shots when he had the looks, and he simply looked overmatched against good players. He is not an NBA player.


TGW, do me a favor.

Go look at Roger Mason's first 3 years of NBA games in any forum you want. Look at basketball-reference.com for Roger Mason's PER, his shooting, and everything else.

Damn near identical to Morris Almond's first three years!

All Almond needs is to make a team and have one 25-30 point game and he will forever be a better player. He's a guy who needs to find his rhythm on the court and he will demonstrate how he scored over 50 twice in the D-League. He's like Mason. He can have a career in the NBA.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#90 » by verbal8 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:26 am

closg00 wrote:
mohammed10 wrote:Good look at where some of the local guys are playing this Summer...

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... edID=10480


Sad news for CCJ, per the article, Mo Almond will be on the Thunders SL team.


I predict that OKC will be undefeated in summer league :)
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#91 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:52 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:James Singleton would be fine to sign but the Wizards added Okafor and now I think they've made minutes almost impossible to come by for J Singleton. The only way I could see adding him is to trade Vesely or Booker. I would keep Vesely, so that means IMO Booker would have to go for James to be brought back.

For the time he was with us last season, James Singleton performed at an *unbelievable* level. He was also good w/ us in '09-10, and better w/ the Mavs in '08-09 and as an undrafted rookie w/ the Clippers. And he can play the 3 pretty effectively, unlike most 4s. IMO, you'd have to be nuts not to sign the guy to 2 years plus an option.

Okafor has no bearing on signing him, as I can't see how we aren't shopping him w/ the goal to trade him at the deadline. But you are right all the same that it would likely mean we deal Booker. (No way Ernie is trading his #6 pick a year ago!)

Trevor Booker is probably my favorite Wizard, but if he brought an equivalent talent at 2 or 3, it'd be fine for him to go.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#92 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 9, 2012 1:02 pm

hands11 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:That is actually good news!

The Wizards would rather pay Courtney Lee than acknowledge Cartier Martin, who I thought was ahead of Morris Almond. The Wizards are going to bring back Roger Mason, because that is the way they roll. It is not about competition or merit. It is always about favorites and the perception that other team's talent is better. That is why the Wizards would pay so much for Ariza and Okafor--they have a name.

I think it is very wise for Morris not to be coached by the very guys who want a spot at SG/SF on a roster at a position where the team is still seeking FA talent. Does Almond have a better shot with OKC? I don't know. I do know he's with a better team, a team with a MUCH better GM, and if he makes the Thunder he will be better off.

The Wizards did well to give him the opportunity and I'm grateful and happy for him.


Come on CCJ. Let go of the hate. Hate tarnishes the soul. That is some serious negative spin you put on there.
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...don't count Martin out.

They have been consistent in saying they wanted to bring him back....
And if he is in, there is no room for Almond. ...

This team has been making solid moves ....I haven't seen what I would call a bad move in a long while. And the end result is solid. They have a team what is full of solid characters with a couple studs, lots of young players with upside and a coach I like on a two year contract. I'm going to enjoy watching them make the playoffs this year. I believe you will also.

Got to agree w/ most of what Hands writes here, CCJ (tho I think the way we handled round 2 this year was "a bad move", and that the Okaforiza trade was mediocre at best and gutless).

Mo Almond will make it in the league, or he won't. Yes, he faces odds -- but keep in mind that even if he doesn't make the league, he can have a long, profitable career playing basketball around the world and retire in his mid-30s a rich man. Not exactly a tragic story! :)
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#93 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 9, 2012 1:09 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:No, I'm not going to say (Almond) doesn't belong because I know he would be better at SG than Jordan Crawford.

No question about that. Not too many guys in the league as bad as Jordan Crawford.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Almond didn't stick with the Wizards but he's just as good or better than many NBA players.

Then wish him well; I certainly do. I hope he cracks a roster and gets some PT. But I'm going to save my passion for other issues. Like my desire to dump Jordan Crawford! :)

BTW, if someone else grabs Martin, Almond may still wind up a Wizard!
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#94 » by TGW » Mon Jul 9, 2012 2:11 pm

Mo Almond is 27 and playing in summer league. Roger Mason, at that same age, I believe was playing for the San Antonio Spurs as a key reserve off their bench.

I would say that you're delusional, CCJ, but that would be conservative. Roger Mason has proven he can play and contribute to one of the best teams in the league. Mo Almond, at the same age in his career, is mucking it up with stragglers on a summer league team, and will probably end up either in Europe or in the NBDL this coming season. The guy is cooked. Now if he comes back and learns how to be a good pro ala Cartier Martin, then he may make it as a late-career contributor. Right now, he just isn't any good at all.

As for comparing him to Jordan Crawford...maybe he is better...maybe he isn't. Crawford shouldn't be some standard at which to gauge whether a player is any good or not, because he sucks too.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#95 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:17 pm

payitforward wrote:
hands11 wrote:
Come on CCJ. Let go of the hate. Hate tarnishes the soul. That is some serious negative spin you put on there.
...

...don't count Martin out.

They have been consistent in saying they wanted to bring him back....
And if he is in, there is no room for Almond. ...

This team has been making solid moves ....I haven't seen what I would call a bad move in a long while. And the end result is solid. They have a team what is full of solid characters with a couple studs, lots of young players with upside and a coach I like on a two year contract. I'm going to enjoy watching them make the playoffs this year. I believe you will also.

Got to agree w/ most of what Hands writes here, CCJ (tho I think the way we handled round 2 this year was "a bad move", and that the Okaforiza trade was mediocre at best and gutless).

Mo Almond will make it in the league, or he won't. Yes, he faces odds -- but keep in mind that even if he doesn't make the league, he can have a long, profitable career playing basketball around the world and retire in his mid-30s a rich man. Not exactly a tragic story! :)


I think the "hate" was probably anger from mohammed's laughing Icon remark. TGW also posted something I disagreed with. I also hoped Almond would make the Wizards. As far as the moves the Wizards made, time will tell. Nene's health and the games of Okafor and Ariza, as well as Wall's jump shot will have a lot to say about the moves the Wizards made. The team figured to be better just based on the youth and the way they finished the season. However, those guys won't be key players due to the Ariza and Okafor acquisitions. The moves EG/Ted made for an extra big man and a veteran SF were expensive and might wreck the team chemistry as well as relegate once promising young players like Trevor Booker to the bench. My comment about much better GM is something I probably shouldn't have said, but look at players like Ibaka still with his team and the guy drafted before him, McGee with another with the Wizards investing in older players. I think Presti is much better.

Morris surely isn't to be pitied either way, payitforward. We should all suffer so much as to be able to make money playing basketball around the world. :lol: I was out in the sun midday yesterday with my sons working on basketball drill. They are 10 and 12. It is a beautiful game. 95% of us play for free and some of us have a love of the game, too.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#96 » by DCZards » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:19 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:No, I'm not going to say the guy doesn't belong because I know he would be better at SG than Jordan Crawford. When you give a guy a license to be an inefficient chucker and ignore all metrics that say the team is worse with him on the court; it is amazing people value his contribution. I have posted some 82games stats and nerd numbers of Mo's 66 minutes with the Wizards but it is pointless to discuss when you and others say he's overmatched.


Yes, Jordan is a frustrating chucker who absolutely has to be reined in, but he's also 23 years old and pretty tough-minded, especially late in games. Allmond, on the other hand, is 27 and seems a little soft and lacking in confidence at times, imo. I know I'm going against conventional wisdom on this board, but 'll take my chances with Crawford.

The same people said McGee sucked. They even watched McGee play more playoff games than Okafor has and STILL SAY McGee sucks. I could point to the same metrics that say his playoff PER was over 20. The Nuggets were better with him on the floor. He blocked shots and rebounded well, even if Bynum dominated. Bynum SAID McGee's hook is unstoppable. But if you don't like McGee your mind is made up.


Not sure what you are saying here, CCJ. Are you suggsesting that McGee is better than Okafor simply because he has played in more playoff games than Emeka...on a Denver team that McGee had little or no role in helping to make the playoffs?
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#97 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:22 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:No, I'm not going to say (Almond) doesn't belong because I know he would be better at SG than Jordan Crawford.

No question about that. Not too many guys in the league as bad as Jordan Crawford.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Almond didn't stick with the Wizards but he's just as good or better than many NBA players.

Then wish him well; I certainly do. I hope he cracks a roster and gets some PT. But I'm going to save my passion for other issues. Like my desire to dump Jordan Crawford! :)

BTW, if someone else grabs Martin, Almond may still wind up a Wizard!


It's funny what and who we save our passion for, payitforward. Laron Profit was a guy who one fan kept hope alive for in this forum. Thousands of posts were made about Laron, who had a good run with the Wizards under MJ and now he's doing very well on the radio locally as a sports analyst. I actually like Cartier Martin a lot, too. He's an underdog type and deserving of a long deal IMO. Likely even more than my favorite player to root for.

The funny part is the only things I don't like about Jordan Crawford are his shot selection and his low efficiency. He is really fun to watch when his shot is going down. He seems like a good person and he is obviously very confident in his ability. Definitely does play with a swagger and he's still very young. Why couldn't his shooting accuracy improve? I think he's got too far to improve in terms of his judgment and that his value is very high now due to the points he scored last season. Beal will supplant him and now would be a great time to move Jordan Crawford. I'm not as adamant at you, payitforward, because Jordan might be a good bench player after it becomes clear to him Bradley Beal is better than he is. I don't know if/when that happens, however.

The guy I would look to challenge/move is Shelvin Mack. The Wizards need a veteran PG IMO.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#98 » by Ruzious » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:14 pm

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closg00 wrote:
mohammed10 wrote:Good look at where some of the local guys are playing this Summer...

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... edID=10480


Sad news for CCJ, per the article, Mo Almond will be on the Thunders SL team.


I predict that OKC will be undefeated in summer league :)

I predict that Marshon Lynch will have a rough summer league. http://www.nba.com/summer-league/games/ ... GIboxscore
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#99 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 9, 2012 5:35 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:...My comment about much better GM is something I probably shouldn't have said, but look at players like Ibaka still with his team and the guy drafted before him, McGee with another with the Wizards investing in older players. I think Presti is much better.

Why shouldn't you have said that? In fact, I can't imagine anyone who *doesn't* think that Presti is a better, much better, waaaaaay better, GM than Ernie Grunfield.

And if someone doesn't think that, I'd like to know why they don't.

Let me express that slightly differently: lets say w/ picks in 3 successive drafts, a GM picked Greg Oden, O.J. Mayo, Kosta Koufos, and Hasheem Thabeet. Leaving aside the fact that 3 of those guys are Centers, how much real talent did that GM acquire.

Those were the players picked by GMs one pick ahead of Sam Presti's '07-09 picks: Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka and James Harden.
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Re: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22) 

Post#100 » by 7-Day Dray » Mon Jul 9, 2012 6:04 pm

Ruzious wrote:I predict that Marshon Lynch will have a rough summer league. http://www.nba.com/summer-league/games/ ... GIboxscore


You mean MarShon Brooks? He's another CCJ guy. Told you he sucks. :)

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