Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[Deivy202]

Trade somebody dammit!

Yes i agree any one! So i can be pumoed up for 2k

[gambitx777]

@ hands, i tend to agree with you on Jan, yet i disagree as well. If he had been taken in the 20's or in the second round, he would probably almost be a steal. There is no getting around the fact that it was just a bad pick!. There really is no way to be happy wit the 6th over all pick being a ok role player. I think if we can get a return on him, we do it. Only because we are not committed to developing him. We should have sent him to the D league months ago so he could grow and learn how to play the american game.

[miller31time]

It's funny because this is probably the best time for us to start trading. We have a team that has a limited ceiling. As Wall and Beal get better, Nene, Okafor, Ariza and the rest will get worse. It would take almost 100% health for us to make a run at the playoffs next season.

So we have Okafor, who's trade value might never be higher, and Nene, who's trade value may never be higher. We could really do our team some long-term good if we traded Okafor/Ariza for expirings and maybe a pick or player. We could get a really nice haul from Nene.

And the most hilarious part is that, because of the stubbornness and ineptitude of our front office, we're going to hold onto these players at the height of their trade value because we want to make a disingenuous ascension to the league's playoff-elite next year. Just so they can say "told ya' so".

Disheartening and predictable all at the same time.

[dangermouse]

It's funny because this is probably the best time for us to start trading. We have a team that has a limited ceiling. As Wall and Beal get better, Nene, Okafor, Ariza and the rest will get worse. It would take almost 100% health for us to make a run at the playoffs next season.

So we have Okafor, who's trade value might never be higher, and Nene, who's trade value may never be higher. We could really do our team some long-term good if we traded Okafor/Ariza for expirings and maybe a pick or player. We could get a really nice haul from Nene.

And the most hilarious part is that, because of the stubbornness and ineptitude of our front office, we're going to hold onto these players at the height of their trade value because we want to make a disingenuous ascension to the league's playoff-elite next year. Just so they can say "told ya' so".

Disheartening and predictable all at the same time.

Agreed 110%.

[Deivy202]

Danny Granger for NeNe.

Deal!

[Destino]

The situation the Wizards face is that with the team all healthy it turns out that they aren't bad. Trading any of the essential players (Wall, Beal, Webster, Nene, and Okafor) suddenly becomes a risk. If Ted and fans see a team that goes around .500 for half a season as opposed to an exciting final 10 games as has been the norm they are going to expect a full year of that, barring injuries. The team suddenly goes from win eventually to win immediately because any step back would be viewed as a disaster.

Wizards fans aren't interested in getting younger anymore. They don't want cap space and a 20 win season. By the end of the year, I'll bet, they won't want to hear about top pics in the 2014 draft.

Any trade is going to need to do one of two things; immediately improve the team and/or bring a star player to the team to join the longer term pieces in place. I think those pieces are Wall, Beal, and Nene. If the star drains the talent that takes a little time to replace I think everyone would live with that. I don't think a trade for a draft pick would do much because frankly being young has grown damn old.

Now throw all of that out for a minute and think of Ernie Grunfeld. If the team goes around .500 Ted is happy and the fans are happy. He went from being surely fired after next season to suddenly, just maybe, he can almost entirely rehabilitate his image in his employers eyes by passing the two year test. All with a under the cap roster and a cheap head coach...

These two strands of thinking combine, in my mind anyway, to create one most likely result: No significant moves coming from the Wizards front office. They'll likely draft where ever the lotto puts them and make small moves in free agency. The biggest move they make might be resigning Webster, assuming they can afford him, and deciding what to do about Temple and Price.

[Deivy202]

daek times for us.



So are we gomma trade or what its feb 10.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The situation the Wizards face is that with the team all healthy it turns out that they aren't bad. Trading any of the essential players (Wall, Beal, Webster, Nene, and Okafor) suddenly becomes a risk. If Ted and fans see a team that goes around .500 for half a season as opposed to an exciting final 10 games as has been the norm they are going to expect a full year of that, barring injuries. The team suddenly goes from win eventually to win immediately because any step back would be viewed as a disaster.

Wizards fans aren't interested in getting younger anymore. They don't want cap space and a 20 win season. By the end of the year, I'll bet, they won't want to hear about top pics in the 2014 draft.

Any trade is going to need to do one of two things; immediately improve the team and/or bring a star player to the team to join the longer term pieces in place. I think those pieces are Wall, Beal, and Nene. If the star drains the talent that takes a little time to replace I think everyone would live with that. I don't think a trade for a draft pick would do much because frankly being young has grown damn old.

Now throw all of that out for a minute and think of Ernie Grunfeld. If the team goes around .500 Ted is happy and the fans are happy. He went from being surely fired after next season to suddenly, just maybe, he can almost entirely rehabilitate his image in his employers eyes by passing the two year test. All with a under the cap roster and a cheap head coach...

These two strands of thinking combine, in my mind anyway, to create one most likely result: No significant moves coming from the Wizards front office. They'll likely draft where ever the lotto puts them and make small moves in free agency. The biggest move they make might be resigning Webster, assuming they can afford him, and deciding what to do about Temple and Price.

I agree. Welcome aboard, destino!

--I think they should try and consolidate a couple rookie deals into one player.

Booker and Crawford are not in the rotation. When Booker returns healthy, Randy Wittman is inclined to bump both Chris Singleton and Jan Vesely down in the rotation to where neither guy plays meaningful minutes. Even with Booker playing, Seraphin still plays whether his effectiveness tails off or not. They lose any semblance of having a stretch four or an energy player who can facilitate when Singleton and Vesely don't play. With the veterans playing, Washington has one too many young PFs. I think they need to lose a contract for a draft pick. It might take doing something like trading Booker and Crawford for one player and a draft pick, if possible.

--If they release Cartier Martin in addition to creating a roster space, that would allow two draft picks to make the 2013-2014 roster.

[verbal8]

I think 2 or 3 trades done this year would almost be guaranteed to turn the team in the right direction. I don't see that yielding an immediate All-Star. However I think a haul like the Rockets draft this year could be attainable, and may be possible to package for a star.

I think there may be a case even worse than doing nothing. Doing nothing I think will reveal the lack of talent and mismanagement by EG.

Doing a trade with one of the assets Could have an immediate but slight on-court improvement without changing the long term prospects of a .500 team best case, would decrease the value of the pick and make EG look competent.

It's funny because this is probably the best time for us to start trading. We have a team that has a limited ceiling. As Wall and Beal get better, Nene, Okafor, Ariza and the rest will get worse. It would take almost 100% health for us to make a run at the playoffs next season.

So we have Okafor, who's trade value might never be higher, and Nene, who's trade value may never be higher. We could really do our team some long-term good if we traded Okafor/Ariza for expirings and maybe a pick or player. We could get a really nice haul from Nene.

And the most hilarious part is that, because of the stubbornness and ineptitude of our front office, we're going to hold onto these players at the height of their trade value because we want to make a disingenuous ascension to the league's playoff-elite next year. Just so they can say "told ya' so".

Disheartening and predictable all at the same time.

[popper]

Agree with posters recommending a consolidation trade involving one or more of Booker, Crawford, Martin, etc. Best case we get an expiring and a pick or useful rotation player on a rookie contract.

I don't know much about Mozgov other than he's big, quick, and an expiring contract. Rumor is Denver wants to trade him. What about some combo of players above and maybe a second for Mozgov and Denver's first?

[Double Helix]

Any chance the Wizards would be interested in Andrea Bargnani for one of either Okafor or Nene? He could spread the floor for Wall and Beal to get into the paint. It's the same reason Chicago reportedly offered Boozer for him.

[nate33]

Any chance the Wizards would be interested in Andrea Bargnani for one of either Okafor or Nene? He could spread the floor for Wall and Beal to get into the paint. It's the same reason Chicago reportedly offered Boozer for him.

The short answer is "no".

It's a little frustrating how often Toronto posters show up to propose this idea. I've seen it literally dozens of times on this board and on the Trade Board and we shoot it down every time. Nobody wants Bargnani at his salary. Nobody.

[jivelikenice]

^The idea was a little tempting earlier when Okafor was struggling, but there's no reason to take on that salary now. Before taking on another sizeable contract, mgmt has to be sure thats who they envision being the last big piece. Bargnani isn't that

[Double Helix]

Any chance the Wizards would be interested in Andrea Bargnani for one of either Okafor or Nene? He could spread the floor for Wall and Beal to get into the paint. It's the same reason Chicago reportedly offered Boozer for him.

The short answer is "no".

It's a little frustrating how often Toronto posters show up to propose this idea. I've seen it literally dozens of times on this board and on the Trade Board and we shoot it down every time. Nobody wants Bargnani at his salary. Nobody.

Fair enough. It's obviously a sore spot. I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to wonder if a young team with the 2nd worst record in the NBA may want to get a little younger by trading one of their two 30-year-old bigs for a stretch big that may compliment Wall and Beal's games by spreading the floor for both. As I said, when a good team like Chicago is considering the exact same deal for their team to allow Rose more room to operate it makes one wonder about what the Wizards may have a similar desire for John Wall.

[nuposse04]

Any chance the Wizards would be interested in Andrea Bargnani for one of either Okafor or Nene? He could spread the floor for Wall and Beal to get into the paint. It's the same reason Chicago reportedly offered Boozer for him.

The short answer is "no".

It's a little frustrating how often Toronto posters show up to propose this idea. I've seen it literally dozens of times on this board and on the Trade Board and we shoot it down every time. Nobody wants Bargnani at his salary. Nobody.

Fair enough. It's obviously a sore spot. I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to wonder if a young team with the 2nd worst record in the NBA may want to get a little younger by trading one of their two 30-year-old bigs for a stretch big that may compliment Wall and Beal's games by spreading the floor for both. As I said, when a good team like Chicago is considering the exact same deal for their team to allow Rose more room to operate it makes one wonder about what the Wizards may have a similar desire for John Wall.

The fact that the Bulls are even considering such a deal is an indictment on their FO. Bargs' shooting percentage isn't even good, so it isn't like he really is going to do much for spacing. I'd demand Ross in return for taking on Bargs. And the record is bad, but as most people have noticed, the team is much better with Wall back, so by no means is this team desperate to take on bad players from other teams mired in futility.

[gambitx777]

Well here is the thing. I would consider that deal only because if we move NENE for AB it would save us about 22 mill. But to give them such an up grade, we would need to get at least ross and / or a first round pick in return. I do not like it but, A.B. is more movable than NENE. next summer we can trade him or buy him out. I would not be happy about it but it would be better than getting stuck with a injured NENE for the next 3 years. But still it does not make us better, not right away. the best we could hope for is that he returns for form and stays healthy.....

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Any chance the Wizards would be interested in Andrea Bargnani for one of either Okafor or Nene? He could spread the floor for Wall and Beal to get into the paint. It's the same reason Chicago reportedly offered Boozer for him.

The short answer is "no".

It's a little frustrating how often Toronto posters show up to propose this idea. I've seen it literally dozens of times on this board and on the Trade Board and we shoot it down every time. Nobody wants Bargnani at his salary. Nobody.

Fair enough. It's obviously a sore spot. I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to wonder if a young team with the 2nd worst record in the NBA may want to get a little younger by trading one of their two 30-year-old bigs for a stretch big that may compliment Wall and Beal's games by spreading the floor for both. As I said, when a good team like Chicago is considering the exact same deal for their team to allow Rose more room to operate it makes one wonder about what the Wizards may have a similar desire for John Wall.

To me it just doesn't make sense to deal for Bargnani when we are looking at a high draft pick in a draft unusually deep in good bigs.

[Nivek]

It makes no sense to trade for Bargnani because he's highly paid and he's not a good NBA player.

[gambitx777]

yeah like i said the only way we do this deal is if we get some young talent and picks with him . and the only reason we do this is because it saves so much money. we would save 3 mill over the next two seasons and 13 mill the year after that. we could put that money in to giving Webster to a 3 mill a year deal.

[thinker07]

It's pretty amazing how quickly things have turned around for the Wiz. A week to 10 days ago a major trade seemed imminent and we were bracing for some kind of awful trade like for Rudy Gay. Now, frankly it's hard to see a significant trade that EG would want to do. I just can't see him wanting to disrupt Wall or Beal by acquiring a 1 or 2. I can't see EG wanting to part with Nene because along with Wall he embodies the new team identity. I find it hard to see him moving Okafor because then who do the Wiz replace him with? Right now Nene and Seraphin just don't look as good as Okafor and Nene.

Also right now I would guess that the Wi are pretty happy with their 3 rotation of Webster and Ariza.

To me the gap that I can see right now is for a excellent shooting stretch 4. But who is even available? Anderson? Ilyasova? Derrick Williams might be but has been so ineffective that it wouldn't even make sense to give up much more than Vesely for him any way.

So as opposed to just a short time ago, I don't see much of a trade happening.