Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[tontoz]

Denver traded Koufos to Memphis. Looks like they will sink or swim with McGee.

[nate33]

What about a trade with the Kings?

Jason Thompson
Jimmer Fredette

for

Trevor Ariza
Chris Singleton

Wizards get a young big in Thompson who is a perfect third big off the bench. He can play either PF or C with his athleticism and weight. He doesn't do any one thing particularly great, but he does everything well. He doesn't really have a weakness in his game, but he just doesn't have any elite skills.

Fredette would be a nice backup for Wall. He can come in for 10 minutes a game and provide floor spacing and scoring.

Kings help free up the log jam they created at guard, and help fill strengthen their SF position.

I like it. I think Kings would want more though.

I'm a Kings fan proposing this deal. This trade helps us get rid of one our guards and allows us the cap relief of moving Thompson's contract (although I think it is a very reasonable contract for his skill level). Ariza will help out with the SF position this year and will be off the books next year. Next offseason we can address the SF position again when there are many quality SF free agents available. All the while we keep Singleton who I think can be a serviceable backup SF one day.

I like this deal too - assuming we have no intention of going after Cousins next summer. (We would no longer have max cap room next summer if we made this deal.) It really balances out the roster well. I think Fredette is a really limited player on most teams because he's an undersized SG who can't defend, but he might be useful in spurts on our team alongside Wall because Wall has the size to guard SG's (as does Temple).

PG Wall/Temple
SG Beal/Fredette
SF Webster/Porter
PF Nene/Thompson
C Okafor/Seraphin

[GhostsOfGil]

Fredette can play the point can't he? Also, if Okafor walks, how much cap space would we have (assuming Wall is maxed out)? Around 10 mil?

[bpcox05]

I like it. I think Kings would want more though.

I'm a Kings fan proposing this deal. This trade helps us get rid of one our guards and allows us the cap relief of moving Thompson's contract (although I think it is a very reasonable contract for his skill level). Ariza will help out with the SF position this year and will be off the books next year. Next offseason we can address the SF position again when there are many quality SF free agents available. All the while we keep Singleton who I think can be a serviceable backup SF one day.

I like this deal too - assuming we have no intention of going after Cousins next summer. (We would no longer have max cap room next summer if we made this deal.) It really balances out the roster well. I think Fredette is a really limited player on most teams because he's an undersized SG who can't defend, but he might be useful in spurts on our team alongside Wall because Wall has the size to guard SG's (as does Temple).

PG Wall/Temple
SG Beal/Fredette
SF Webster/Porter
PF Nene/Thompson
C Okafor/Seraphin

Sacramento is not letting Cousins leave. The new ownership has pretty much called him the cornerstone of the franchise which he should be. Head Coach Malone also openly said you don't give away players like Cousins.

[bpcox05]

Fredette can play the point can't he? Also, if Okafor walks, how much cap space would we have (assuming Wall is maxed out)? Around 10 mil?

Not really. He can play point in the sense that he has a guard next to him who can do all the ballhandling. He's like Derek Fisher with worse handles at this point. There's no saying he won't improve his ballhandling, but at this point he should be simply running off screens and spotting up.

[TGW]

I would sign off on that Kings trade. I think Thompson is solid and Fredette are solid citizens.

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trade: 2014 1st (lotto protected)+Singleton+Vesely for Ryan Anderson
NO trade: Ryan Anderson+Vasquez for Jeff Green+Trevor Booker+2014 Indy 1st (lotto protected)
Indy trade: Gerald Green+2014 1st (lotto protected) for Brandon Bass+Vasquez
Boston trade: Jeff Green+Bass for Vesely+Singleton+Gerald Green+Wizards 2014 1st (lotto protected)

New Wiz lineup:
PG: Wall/Price/Temple
SG: Beal/Webster/Temple
SF: Webster/Ariza/Porter
PF: Nene/Anderson/Ariza
C: Emeka/Nene/Seraphin


WHY FOR THE WIZ?
1) Anderson is the perfect stretch PF for this team. The Wiz pick will likely be in the 16-20 range. I'd trade it in an instant for Ryan ANderson.

WHY FOR THE CELTICS?
1) They are tanking. They get rid of a ton of salary as Green+Bass make significantly more than Ves+Singleton+Gerald Green do (the former 2 can be expiring). THey also get another 2014 pick.

WHY FOR THE PELICANS?
1) They want to win now. Green gives them a much needed SF, and Booker gives them a solid backup PF.

WHY FOR THE PACERS?
1) Vasquez is a huge upgrade for their bench (as is Bass).

[gambitx777]

I we really want to dump NENE.
We might go to boston, i know i said they won't take him but think aobut it. they want picks.
If we give them either a unprotected first in 14 or 15. they might do NENE for Hump once its ll said and done.
thats ify though.

the cat's might give us Ben Gordan If we give them the same pick deal.

Or NENE, Jan, Chris and Booker, and a future second round pick OR a future first for Pau.
Gives them some young players, and an affordable and good center if he is healthy. This gets us out of NENES deal and we dump our trash.

[jivelikenice]

Bayless opted in...wonder if the FO an staff there now are fans. Could be that combo guard??

[deneem4]

Yea I say go after pau...nene needs to go....

Okafor leaving next season we can get cousins
Get nene off the book we can get a defensive pf

[bpcox05]

Yea I say go after pau...nene needs to go....

Okafor leaving next season we can get cousins
Get nene off the book we can get a defensive pf

Cousins is not coming to Washington. Sacramento won't let him leave. They realize that he could be the best center in the league. You don't just let those players walk away especially when they are a RESTRICTED free agent. The new ownership has pretty much called him the cornerstone of the franchise which he should be. Head Coach Malone also openly said you don't give away players like Cousins.

There have been reports that his agent has demanded that he gets the max or be traded. Well the max is very reasonable for a player his caliber. I see no issue with the Kings giving him the max even with his on the court issues. In a small market, you can't afford to give up players of his caliber, because you're not going to attract any of those types of players in free agency.

Cousins has even openly said himself that he wants to be in Sacramento and that he wants to be the one to turn this franchise around. He said he takes a lot of pride in sticking with a team and becoming successful rather than taking the easy way out and joining forces with better players.

There is really no shot that Cousins will be going to Washington next offseason, and to anyone who thinks differently, you're just not looking at the evidence.

[JRYCRL]

We really need illyasova now...NENE has to go...trade him to Celtics!!! For jeff green

Nene has to go? Why? Did you watch him at all last year when he was healthy?

Ernie is no bowl of cherries but Jesus, I don't know why such radical changes need to take place yearly.

Sit pat and resign Webster. Porter is not as good a Webster at this time.

[jivelikenice]

I think I've read here that we're one of only a few teams allowed to do a sign and trade. Can anyone confirm/clarify why?

[gambitx777]

We really need illyasova now...NENE has to go...trade him to Celtics!!! For jeff green

Nene has to go? Why? Did you watch him at all last year when he was healthy?

Ernie is no bowl of cherries but Jesus, I don't know why such radical changes need to take place yearly.

Sit pat and resign Webster. Porter is not as good a Webster at this time.

Because NENE can not stay healthy, and hes getting paid 13 mill a year for the next 3 years.

Also what about this trade with the kings.

NENE
for
Thompson, Jimmer, and Hayes. with some future seconds attached?

We get out of NENE's money long term, and we get a good young 4 on a cheep contract with a back up PG in Jimmer. Heys is just filler and trade bait at the dead line.

NENE gives them a vet to keep D.C. in line.

[deneem4]

Yea I say go after pau...nene needs to go....

Okafor leaving next season we can get cousins
Get nene off the book we can get a defensive pf

Cousins is not coming to Washington. Sacramento won't let him leave. They realize that he could be the best center in the league. You don't just let those players walk away especially when they are a RESTRICTED free agent. The new ownership has pretty much called him the cornerstone of the franchise which he should be. Head Coach Malone also openly said you don't give away players like Cousins.

There have been reports that his agent has demanded that he gets the max or be traded. Well the max is very reasonable for a player his caliber. I see no issue with the Kings giving him the max even with his on the court issues. In a small market, you can't afford to give up players of his caliber, because you're not going to attract any of those types of players in free agency.

Cousins has even openly said himself that he wants to be in Sacramento and that he wants to be the one to turn this franchise around. He said he takes a lot of pride in sticking with a team and becoming successful rather than taking the easy way out and joining forces with better players.

There is really no shot that Cousins will be going to Washington next offseason, and to anyone who thinks differently, you're just not looking at the evidence.

Bynum traded
Dwight traded

Look whats going on with Aldridge

You cant hold a player on a team if he dont want to be there
Demarcus dont want to be in sac...
The only hope they have of keeping cousins is starting tyree at pg...
If tyree go its over for sac with cousins
You dont let good players like cousins go...but u cant hold them gainst they're will either

[deneem4]

We really need illyasova now...NENE has to go...trade him to Celtics!!! For jeff green

Nene has to go? Why? Did you watch him at all last year when he was healthy?

Ernie is no bowl of cherries but Jesus, I don't know why such radical changes need to take place yearly.

Sit pat and resign Webster. Porter is not as good a Webster at this time.

Nene was needed because we need stabilization in the locker room...we needed a leader, I see wall stepping up to that plate now...like I have stated if he gets that max hes going to have to step up on and off the court...and when that happens we have no need for nene...hes a good player but hes injury prone and on a young team thats exactly what we don't need
If he gets injured he fck up chemistry and with this young as pf rotation thats the last thing we need
Do we jus throw a plsyer out there like seraphib to be a starter while nene injured???...
he'll suck for a few games then get chemistry with the starters and start playing good then nene comes back
Do you start nene??? Or bring him off the bench?
If u bring him off bench what happens to booker minutes?? U jus say fxk him even though he has chemistry witb the 2nd string??
If you start him you're fxin up seraphin development once again...constantly switching his role...

We too young in the front court to have an expensive injury prone vet...if we had a vet pf on our bench nene can be workable with, but we dont and no way u should pay him that much to be tht vet...

Seraphin/booker/vesley cant development with "this" nene on the team...so its either them or him that has to go

[Deeptu McPullup]

From the Boston board:

Stein reporting that Rondo is next and to expect it quickly. Says Ainge wants to be in the lottery next year. I'm confused on what's going on!!

Possibilities of what we get in return for Rondo?

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Stein is a pretty legit source as these things go and it's hard to believe that Boston trades Rondo without everyone else being available.

As someone who really doesn't like next year's free agent crop at all, I'd be looking into getting Jeff Green and some of their other veterans with our 2014 pick as the sweetener attached to Ariza and/or Ernies Kids. No need to get into specifics, but Bass and Terry are of interest and Lee might be acceptable under certain circumstances (though not very acceptable and taking him would weaken the value we'd include IMO).

I know many people are unsure about Green, don't want overpaid guys and don't want to part with the pick, but I believe the Wiz would be ready go shock and awe as a top seed next year with that roster and Green's young enough to where he's at least a satellite to the core if not outright core.

Anyway, I'm probably an outlier right now on the board as far as not being enamored with cap space and thinking that a max level big is going to be too expensive for us long term (not that I dislike cap space plans in general, I just don't value it much for us at this exact moment).

Anyway, Boston, Phoenix and Philly vets look like the most attainable around the league right now.

[Deeptu McPullup]

I think I've read here that we're one of only a few teams allowed to do a sign and trade. Can anyone confirm/clarify why?

Read this, it's actually a little more complicated than that:

http://www.slcdunk.com/2013/1/11/327721 ... -jefferson

[fishercob]

From the Boston board:

Stein reporting that Rondo is next and to expect it quickly. Says Ainge wants to be in the lottery next year. I'm confused on what's going on!!

Possibilities of what we get in return for Rondo?

posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=36311356

Stein is a pretty legit source as these things go and it's hard to believe that Boston trades Rondo without everyone else being available.

As someone who really doesn't like next year's free agent crop at all, I'd be looking into getting Jeff Green and some of their other veterans with our 2014 pick as the sweetener attached to Ariza and/or Ernies Kids. No need to get into specifics, but Bass and Terry are of interest and Lee might be acceptable under certain circumstances (though not very acceptable and taking him would weaken the value we'd include IMO).

I know many people are unsure about Green, don't want overpaid guys and don't want to part with the pick, but I believe the Wiz would be ready go shock and awe as a top seed next year with that roster and Green's young enough to where he's at least a satellite to the core if not outright core.

Anyway, I'm probably an outlier right now on the board as far as not being enamored with cap space and thinking that a max level big is going to be too expensive for us long term (not that I dislike cap space plans in general, I just don't value it much for us at this exact moment).

Anyway, Boston, Phoenix and Philly vets look like the most attainable around the league right now.

I'm in no way unsure about the fact that I don't want Jeff Green!

Jeff vs. Thad Young, career.

Thad's younger (naturally), hasn't had heart surgery and has been much more efficient. Their contracts are actually quite similar.

[hands11]

I doubt we see any trades unless its something like Singleton for a pick. More likely they just add a FA

Gotta keep in mind where the team is at this point. They are not at the, all in stage. They are in the, lets make the playoffs and lets do a final evaluation of Ves and Kevin S stage.

They just added a solid piece in Otto. They are still really young. Otto doesn't have to start right now. He is a long term piece. And he works really well as another character piece. But they still really need Webster back because between his shooting and his locker room, leadership, jokerster personality, he is important glue between the younger players and the older vets that are keeping this team grounded. What he offers is just to important to let him walk. Personality is a skill and what Webster has is not replaceable on this roster.

They aren't going all in. Its a steady as she goes progress with more evaluation year. Its the year after where we would see bigger moves if needed.

I doubt they cash out on Nene because he can easily come back healthy and when he does, Nene is a very solid PF/C. They aren't ready to walk away from Okafor either. He is just to bread and butter at center. Trevor A is signed and he is a experienced 6-8 SF that can teach Otto the craft. And Trevor A can play some S4. He defense is to important and this is first and foremost a defensive team.

If they leave it as is, they can give Ves and Kevin the space they need to step it up and if they do, that will be huge regarding asset appreciation. If they don't, they have enough to cover by playing Nene at PF with Okafor a center. We already saw that work.

So I see no major trades right now. They will go with stability and steady progress. This year is about:

1st - Wall and Beal: Playoffs and show steady production of what they showed at their best last year
2nd - Getting Otto transitioned - Trevor A and Webster are important there.
3rd - Evaluating Nene - can he produce over the length of his contract
4th - Ves and Kevin S. Huge year for both but even more so with Ves.

For Ves and Kevin, both have to prove they can be at a min, legit back ups long term. But if Kevin can show he has changed his focus to be more of a power player that rebounds and is more physical, then you have something. If Ves shows he can hit a FT and a mid range, now you have something you can grow. I think they give both a chance to prove what they can be.

Post big trades if you want, but the action is in the FA and Summer league threads. Your wasting your time here.