Grade The Offseason

[Kanyewest]

I think you are exactly right, CCJ. The injury risk was just simply too great. Portland made the same bad decision giving Brandon Roy the huge contract when his knees were already bone-on-bone. Another factor that made the Arenas signing a BAD decision was that Arenas had already shown himself to not be a team leader who would submit to coaching. Finally, another part of the flawed process leading to a bad decision was Abe's inserting his personal sentiment into the equation. Really liking a player personally and using that as a rationale for action offers plenty of possibility for miscalculation.

...and add to the mix an incompetent GM who negotiates contracts. Grunfeld let Gilbert name his price and the organization ended-up with zero protection despite Gilbert's multiple knee surgeries, the org would be on the hook for the entire term of the contract. This on-top of giving a 32 y/o AJ a 4-year $50 mil extension. Mind boggling.

Negotiating with Ernie Grunfeld must be an agent/GM's dream come-true.

Jamison's extension wasn't that bad IMO. Ideally it would have been 3 years for 36 million. Remember he was coming off an all star season (then again it was in a much weaker Eastern Conference). And it really didn't turn out that badly since the Wizards were able to trade Jamison for fillers and a 1st round pick. IIRC, they taded for Big Z and were able to save a considerable amount of cash as well to get under the luxury tax.

[barelyawake]

Thanks hands. I give Rice a C+ because there are aspects of his personality that rub me wrong. If he works hard, he could be a gem.

I like many of the things this team has done this offseason. I think it was rather difficult to both sign Webster, and get us a suitable back-up point and a stretch four (without blowing our wad). I played with that puzzle for awhile, and EG's solution was better than mine. And I think with time, people will realize just how much better out bench has become. Of course, I want the stud back-up point in a couple years. But, for now, I like these moves. I just hope and question whether we can make the big move. But, these small moves have certainly set us up to do so.

[hands11]

I think you are exactly right, CCJ. The injury risk was just simply too great. Portland made the same bad decision giving Brandon Roy the huge contract when his knees were already bone-on-bone. Another factor that made the Arenas signing a BAD decision was that Arenas had already shown himself to not be a team leader who would submit to coaching. Finally, another part of the flawed process leading to a bad decision was Abe's inserting his personal sentiment into the equation. Really liking a player personally and using that as a rationale for action offers plenty of possibility for miscalculation.

...and add to the mix an incompetent GM who negotiates contracts. Grunfeld let Gilbert name his price and the organization ended-up with zero protection despite Gilbert's multiple knee surgeries, the org would be on the hook for the entire term of the contract. This on-top of giving a 32 y/o AJ a 4-year $50 mil extension. Mind boggling.

Negotiating with Ernie Grunfeld must be an agent/GM's dream come-true.

Arenas pondering offers, will talk to Abe Pollin
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... ill_t.html

Pollin and Arenas chat about contract
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsi ... out_c.html

On Tuesday a.m., Abe Pollin a call to free cause Gilbert Arenas.
http://www.sportside.org/index.php?sport=nba&ns=4675

On Tuesday morning, Abe Pollin placed a call to free representative Gilbert Arenas. Who was at a break in Toronto on the way to China for a persuasive trip onof a shoe company. In the evening, the 84-year-old Washington Wizards proprietor arrived via cart and was helped into a cushioned head for a news conference for the newly re- Antawn Jamison. Although the body appeared frail, the voice and mind where sharp and sharp. "I'm a tiny old and a trivial sick," Pollin said. "But I'm quiet around, and I'm free to be around until we win the ... contest. I'm stubborn and hardheaded."

And determined to succeed his goal with the core group that has led his team to four uninterrupted contest . So far, half of the major offseason work has been accomplished. While dialogue with free negotiator Jamison were moderately forthright - a four-year, $50 billion deal that was signed Monday night - the parley with Arenas will be much more complicated. The Wizards can sign the three-time All-Star cape safeguard to a maximum deal cost crudely $125 gazillion over six ages, but Arenas has also said he doesn't want to hamstring the team's aptitude to sign new players.Under NBA rubric, the Wizards couldn't start negotiating with Arenas until the start of the free agency old-fashioned on Tuesday - Jamison's post was different because Arenas a free instrument by exercise an opt-out passage.

The team also can't comment on the talks with Arenas or announce a deal until a league-mandated moratorium July 9."We've contacted the players, and the procedure is going to play out," said president Ernie Grunfeld, referring to both Arenas and free agent defense Roger Mason. Jamison's signing one repair in the negotiations with Arenas, who had said he would not arrival save the team also kept his longtime fellow player.

"I'm self-possessed something will get done," Jamison said. "He just likes to go at his own pace."Jamison, for the time being, was lauded with praise from Pollin, who compared the team co-chief to Wes Unseld, who led the Wizards toonly NBA competition in 1978.

"Mr. Pollin, I love you," Jamison replied. "And I'm present to do everything on the cards to regenerate to make you happy."Jamison is coming off maybe the optimum season of his 10-year NBA career: 21.4 points, a occupation-high 10.2and a additional entrance in the All-Star game. Although he's 32, Jamison said he's spoken for good care of himself and is assertive he can resume to be a unswerving 20-and-10 threat."I 't go anyplace else. This is where I'm ready to end my profession," Jamison said. "I entirely trust that we have what it takes to pulley the trophy. That's my job. That's the reason I'm here."

Hey, Abe had a big heart. And he loved DC. I respect him for that. But as an NBA owner after the league had changed ? No. Abe was old school. The league had passed him by.

Oh, he was involved. Gilbert. AJ. DS.

Did you hear what Gil says ?

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2009/11/fir ... onian.html


But man, Abe did have a big heart. As a person. I have tons of respect for him. He really loved his wife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1lLvoKiOh8

[hands11]

Thanks hands. I give Rice a C+ because there are aspects of his personality that rub me wrong. If he works hard, he could be a gem.

I like many of the things this team has done this offseason. I think it was rather difficult to both sign Webster, and get us a suitable back-up point and a stretch four (without blowing our wad). I played with that puzzle for awhile, and EG's solution was better than mine. And I think with time, people will realize just how much better out bench has become. Of course, I want the stud back-up point in a couple years. But, for now, I like these moves. I just hope and question whether we can make the big move. But, these small moves have certainly set us up to do so.

Yea. I agree. Someone about Glen seems to be missing from the mold I like. Its not age. Beal was only 19 and I had a ton of confidence in him. Glen just seems a little ... I don't know what.. Immature ? Unpolished ? A little Nick Young ? Hard to put my finger on it. Maybe he is just a little shy or something. Not very clear in his speech. Needs to articulate his words a little better.

But I think he is talented and hungry. And he does come from a basketball family so he should have a good support system. I like the answers he gives in an interview. I don't think the bright lights are going to phase him. Plus he has traveled with the DL team. Played more games then a college season. Played big in the DL championship game. Hit bottom and worked hard to bounce back.

All that stuff tips me into the camp of thinking he has good odds of producing in year one. He should be more experienced to the NBA pace then a normal rookie. And the travel. And he is 22. His body is more mature. And he will drive. Not just a shooter. But when he does shoot, quick high release. Just like his daddy.

Heard he could have been slotted mid first round.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wzLyW2ghkE[/youtube]

At like 3:30, shoots, misses, but follows it up with a dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5E_IpKjowQ

I could easily see him busting out in his first year. I don't think he is the long term project type.

I don't know. The more I watch him. The more I think we might just have something here. Nick Young meets CB Tough Juice. I could even see him starting at SF. Really attacks the basket. Pump fakes. Double movers. He has a lot of polish to his game. And 3 range. Can start the break and find the open man.

Need to work on his D though. Randy should be able to help him there. Seems like an effort and awareness things like Bennett. Someone needs to light that defensive fire under his butt.

[nuposse04]

They get a C+ for the short term, and a B to B+ for the long term. Adding Maynor and upgrading the backup SG spot while adding Harrington are all marginal upgrades, but upgrades none the less. I think Porter and Glen could pay considerably noticeable dividends in season 2 and beyond.

The teams actual ability to be better will be carried on the weight of how many injuries we have and whether or not we see some worth a **** improvements from Jan/Seraphin :/

[closg00]

2013 Offseason Report: Washington Wizards
Overall grade and accomplishments: C+

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... on-wizards

[Knighthonor]

Looking back on it now, who would you have picked in the draft? would you have kept Porter?

[closg00]

I give it a D.

The team lucked into a top 3 pick and selected a player I have little faith in. Even before Porters terrible summer league performance I expressed serious concerns about his game in the OP Jr. thread (lack of athleticism, not elite skills, inability to create off the bounce). I don't believe he was the right pick considering Noel was available and is basically the exact type of big man this team needs for the future (athletic, defensive oriented).

I'm pleased with the Webster extension and I believe he'll never relinquish the starting SF role to Porter.

I hate the Maynor signing. He has a 4 year track record of being an awful NBA player. He has no NBA skill that even rates as average. I consider him a step down from Price. He's a league minimum player, if that. It was reported Nate Robinson was interested in joining the Wizards. If they could have matched the Nuggets offer he was coming to DC. Beno was a better option and he signed for the minimum, Collison signed the LLE and is 10 times the player that Maynor is. The failure of this acquistion is not only that EG overpaid, but he did it on the first day of the FA period.

The Al Harrington signing is a good signing, but supremely risky. Older player coming off an injury. If it works out he'll be excellent for the team. If he doesn't at least we have Jan! Failure to adequately address the front court rotation really destroys the off-season grade.

I don't think John's extension should be a factor in this grade, by the way EG's operated the franchise he had no choice but to give an extension at the first possible minute for the most amount of money possible. Whether it was this off-season or next John was getting the full-max. Further, John really had no options because he wasn't going to risk injury during the QO season. He was going to sign an extension in Washington. That's just how the current CBA works. This was an inevitability. Until proven otherwise John's extension is a negative because he's essentially making double Curry and Lawson, who are basically his peers. I'll cede that it's possible, if not likely, that John justifies this contract by the all-star break this season.

Thank You. I know that there will be better days ahead for Eric, but probably not enough to warrant jumping on him with a guaranteed two-year deal.

[payitforward]

I thought it might be interesting to revisit this thread. Some of you gave the Wizards a reasonably high grade because you thought their acquisitions of Harrington and Maynor were quite good. One of you called him "one of the best backup forwards in the league" -- or was that "the best"?? You know who you are, even if you lay low now.

Some others -- I among them -- gave the Wizards a low grade because we thought their acquisitions of Harrington and Maynor were bad.

Hands gave several grades, depending on whether guys turned out to be good or bad (this is how you make yourself "right" a lot, since this would obviously *have to be* true! - duh....).

Some of us thought it premature to give Wall a max deal, since he hadn't yet produced like a max player and we weren't sure he would this season either. We were right; he hasn't (he's playing well, don't get me wrong -- but he's miles from max player productivity). Others thought, what's the difference -- we are sure to max him so might as well do it now. They were probably right as well.

Some of us hated the draft day pick trade to get Rice instead of Wolters -- so far it seems pretty obvious we were right about that one, but it's fair to say it's too early for a final judgment. Hands thought Rice was going to be good right away and might even start at the 3 (!). Yup, he did write that.... But he's right anyway -- it's the Xmas season, and that's a good enough reason.

We were all over the map about the pick of Porter (over Noel, over Len, over Bennett). Only Bennett has had the chance so far to more or less demonstrate he's a bust (i.e. as a high pick) -- but, in truth, they might all be! Most of us liked Oladipo, who wasn't going to be there at #3 we were sure. I don't think any of us said much for MC-W who so far is the runaway RoY.

We all liked getting Webster back, but some of us felt we could have had him for a little less $$. Who knows whether we could have -- but I'm sure glad he's a Wizard, and I know everyone else is too.

Do I have all that accurately? I.e. that I was right about everything because I really was, and Hands was right about everything because he likes to be right and it's Xmas?

Note that the few of you who agreed w/ me were also right about everything -- -- I'm not trying to be selfish!

[hands11]

...I see Otto as Trevor A insurance. Now they have more options. If Trevor A plays solid and they want to keep him, they may have that chance. If not, you have a tall SF that has a similar mold to him with one year experience in the wings...

Trevor Ariza insurance? Hands, they spend the #3 pick in the draft as insurance for a back up SF? How can the pick not be a colossal failure if that's what you see.

Kind of funny to go back and read some of this stuff.

I really like Thinkers and Barely's takes.

[barelyawake]

Writing the above post on Xmas day could in no way be seen as pathetic. And since it's Christmas, no one should call it such.

PS I've been wrong many times. Though what I said was when healthy three years ago, Harrington was the best back-up PF in the league. The Harrington we have is not him, though I am still glad to have him for what we got him for.

PPS Ignoring you isn't "laying low." It's not wasting the time nor en... Too bored to finish...

PPPS MERRY THE MERRY ALL... Smoke break over. Back to family and friends.

[Ruzious]

I thought it might be interesting to revisit this thread. Some of you...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Happy holidays and pleasant thoughts to everyone.

[dckingsfan]

So, the off-season was Webster, maynor and Harrington + porter and rice

[dckingsfan]

Webster is an A
Maynor is an F
Harrington is a D
Porter is Incomplete
Rice is incomplete

Not sure what that makes the overall grade

[Kanyewest]

Webster is an A
Maynor is an F
Harrington is a D
Porter is Incomplete
Rice is incomplete

Not sure what that makes the overall grade

Add the Gortat trade- and at this point for me it is a C for now.

[dckingsfan]

Webster is an A
Maynor is an F
Harrington is a D
Porter is Incomplete
Rice is incomplete

Not sure what that makes the overall grade

Add the Gortat trade- and at this point for me it is a C for now.

Wasn't that an in-season trade? Or because it came regular season game it counts for pre-season

[ozthegandp]

didnt we also resign temple?

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[hands11]

didnt we also resign temple?

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Right. Temple and Gortat should be added. Gortat was added before they played the first game. Barely but he was before the first game.

[nuposse04]

Looking at the individual pieces:

Webster: A-
Gortat: B
Maynor: F- (I cannot come up with a letter to properly surmise his suck)
Porter: INC
GR JR: C (Still could have filled some positions on need with those 2 2nds, thats what Glen will be graded against)
Al Harrington: D+

So overall, still a C. Luckily nothing to debilitating in terms of cap space sans nene. Still think we ought to gamble on a guy like Kanter and see if things work out.

[dckingsfan]

Instead of Temple, Harrington and Maynor

Robinson, Blair, Wolters?

Instead of Porter

Michael Carter-Williams, Tim Hardaway, Jr. or Giannis Antetokounmpo?