Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[dobrojim]

As an aside, and if I’m reading these trades correctly, the 6ers now have 11 picks in the next two drafts (and may add a few more if they decide to trade Turner and/or Young). In 2014, they’ll presumably have 2 lottery picks (assuming they end up with the NO pick) and 5 2nd rounders. In 2015,they have their first and 3 seconds. Craziness.

I remember them having a similar kind of thing going (lots of draft picks stocked)
quite a few years ago. And that time, it didn't work out that well. Which isn't to
say it won't work better this time. Just saying there are no guarantees

[hands11]

In a vacuum, this is a good trade that makes the Wizards better today and probably positions them better for short term the future (this offseason).

Zooming out, this trade encapsulates how bad Ernie and his department are at their most basic task -- evaluating talent. Vesely over Leonard and Faried. Maynor at all. Dumping Marshall when he was deposited in our lap. Mistake after mistake after mistake.

While this move was fine on its merits alone it must show Ted beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ernie must go.

And Nikola Vucevic

[Rafael122]

As an aside, and if I’m reading these trades correctly, the 6ers now have 11 picks in the next two drafts (and may add a few more if they decide to trade Turner and/or Young). In 2014, they’ll presumably have 2 lottery picks (assuming they end up with the NO pick) and 5 2nd rounders. In 2015,they have their first and 3 seconds. Craziness.

I remember them having a similar kind of thing going (lots of draft picks stocked)
quite a few years ago. And that time, it didn't work out that well. Which isn't to
say it won't work better this time. Just saying there are no guarantees

Keep in mind if the Pelican's end up being out of the top 5, that increases the Sixers' chances at getting the top pick since they will have two lottery picks to work with.

They probably won't use all their 2nd rounders, but I could definitely see them packaging their picks in the 30s to move back into the first round.

[dobrojim]

Crap.

It's a good trade in the sense that Andre Miller is obviously better than Eric Maynor, and we have an open roster spot now -- in case we want to add a 10-day guy from the D League.

It's a horrible trade, in the sense that it's horrible to have to make the trade -- the guy Ernie expressly targeted and signed on day 1 of free agency was a total piece of crap.

And it's a horrible trade, because we have a guy we picked 6th in the draft who is so bad that all we get for him (and another guy and a high R2 pick) is a 40-year old backup point guard.

More of Ernie cooking up a bowl of soup, pissing in it, and then asking Wizards fans to drink it up! Tastes good, huh?

How this doesn't cost him his job I don't know. He should be fired the day after the trade deadline.

I agree with you on most of your points. The only thing a disagree with you (and a lot of others on this board) is the NOP 2nd round pick. Please explain how it is "high". There looking at the #41 (11th in 2nd) overall this year. They have the best young big man and basketball and a very good and well rounded pg. I dont see how they dont improve quite a bit next year with AD and Jrue getting better, Anderson coming back from injury, and trading Gordon/Evans for another piece.

I think theyll finish just outside the lottery (around pick 45) and we'll finish about the same in the east as this year, but I assume we'll have a slightly better record though. So thats pick 50...

So really were talking about 5 spots in the middle-to-end of the 2nd round in 2015. I really dont see the difference

You're right. But it's just that I didn't make my point the right way. Picks are assets; all picks are. Those 2 picks, for example, might have been traded for a pick at the top of the round. Or made part of a deal that had something to do w/ our future in some other way.

The real point is that we're handicapping our future in order to -- maybe! -- finish one seed higher this year for the playoffs. And do you, do I, should anyone, really think we're going to go somewhere in the playoffs? In particular that we have a reasonable shot of getting to the 2d round? Come on.

we have a chance of making the 2nd rnd as long as we don't play IND/MIA and possibly TOR.
Or lets just say we shouldn't be prohibitive underdogs if we finish 3-6.

[AFM]

Andre Miller, craftiest PG in NBA history??

[dobrojim]

speaking of Gortat, he figures to benefit from playing with Miller

[closg00]

If you think about it, Grunfeld has turned near-max cap space, future 1st and 2nd round picks, a 6th overall pick, and a BAE into Gortat, Ariza and Miller.

All of whom have expiring contracts.

You and Fish summed-up the trade and the state of the Wizards nicely. Quite frankly, I don't think Ted is smart enough to recognize the bumbling.

[AFM]

Are we officially championship contenders?

I think so.


Hands, get that kool aid thread back up.

[dobrojim]

Andre Miller, craftiest PG in NBA history??

IDK - craftiness is the quintessential PG trait.

(virtually) All the top PGs were crafty.

Stockton, MJackson are 2 that come right to mind. Just look at the list

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... areer.html

looking myself...interesting, I didn't expect to see Terry Porter at 13th alltime

[tontoz]

Are we officially championship contenders?

I think so.


Hands, get that kool aid thread back up.

Kool aid isn't going to cut it. This is a job for Kook Aid!

[truwizfan4evr]

I really hope we dont trade Ariza for Deng....

[keynote]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MGortat/status/436585041674911744[/tweet]

Hmm. Of *course* Maynor was Mr. Intangible. Ain't like he could hold anyone on D, or had a decent handle on offense.

But maybe we'll miss his guru-like influence on the rest of the locker room. You don't know what you got 'til it's gone. Joni Mitchell never lies.

[tontoz]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MGortat/status/436585041674911744[/tweet]

Hmm. Of *course* Maynor was Mr. Intangible. Ain't like he could hold anyone on D, or had a decent handle on offense.

But maybe we'll miss his guru-like influence on the rest of the locker room. You don't know what you got 'til it's gone. Joni Mitchell never lies.

My sarcasm detector is going off. I think Gortat was taking a shot at DNP.

[Dat2U]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

[AFM]

Andre Miller, craftiest PG in NBA history??

IDK - craftiness is the quintessential PG trait.

(virtually) All the top PGs were crafty.

Stockton, MJackson are 2 that come right to mind. Just look at the list

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... areer.html

looking myself...interesting, I didn't expect to see Terry Porter at 13th alltime

Craftiness as in... "how is this fat 37 year old scoring on me?"

[stevemcqueen1]

Old Man River better be good.

Kind of sad that the Maynor/Vesely era ended, almost before it even began.

Couple this with the Cavs already shopping Deng and the Warriors already shopping Big Balls. It's been a strange year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Also isn't Miller slow as hell and aren't we a fastbreak/drive and kick team?

[dobrojim]

craftiness in hoops as in life - if I only knew what I know now when I was 25.

[Kanyewest]

No one else worried about potentially playing Wall & Miller together? I don't like the synergy there. Defenses would simply pack the lane since neither has a reliable J. And I don't think either will work well without the ball in their hands (at least within Witt's system).

Defensively, our 2nd unit will be much like it was when Maynor was PG.

Is Miller better than Temple??? Offensively yes. Defensively he's a massive downgrade. Can Miller & Temple play together? Can either of them make an open jumper?

I'm a little worried but not much. Wall and Temple don't play together at all anymore. I'm assuming Temple will end up the bench unless Miller is washed up. I'm having a hard time envisioning that Miller would take away from Ariza, Beal, or Webster's minutes.

[Kanyewest]

Wittman coached Miller in Cleveland from 1999-2001 so they have history together.