Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[payitforward]

Moving this from another thread discussing the TPE:

We can.

Yep, that's what I thought. Looking at available options if we were to go half/half on different positions (both from a numbers perspective, and from a likelihood the other team might want to trade them), here's what I've come up with so far:

Bigs
A. Kirilenko - $3.32M
Darrell Arthur - $3.45
Jonas Jerebko - $4.5M
M.Speights - $3.65M
Chris Copeland - $3.13M
Z. Pachulia - $5.2M
Chuck Hayes - $5.9M


Guards
Gary Neal - $3.25M
Mike Dunleavy - $3.32M
Randy Foye - $3.0M
C. Delfino - $3.25M
A. Shved - $3.28M
Jason Terry - $5.85M

Not saying I'm in love with all of those names, but there are some decent ones in there.

All of those guys are on 1 or 2 year deals, and in most cases we could mix/match one from each category to end up with two guys to fill out the bench.

And what would those 2 guys, whichever you prefer to name, what would they do for our team? Would they take us deeper into the playoffs? I don't think you'd claim that. Would any of them help build our "young core?" Well, no. So... why do we want them? Any of them?

I am delighted we recovered from losing Ariza by signing Pierce for 2 years. But, has anyone at all noticed that the three most recent players we've added are almost 120 years old? (113 to be exact)

Other than Wall and Beal, what players does our FO feel sure, rightly or wrongly, they can count on? There are 5 of them: Gortat, Pierce, Gooden, Miller and Nene. Total age? 170 years: average age = 34 years old. We've become an old team, and in a big hurry.

Aside from Gortat, the other four combined are signed for a total of 6 years -- i.e. an average of 1.5 years. In principle, obviously, that's a good thing. But, for those who aren't lulling themselves into dreamland with a vision of Kevin Durant riding in on his cloud to save us, exactly how might we build a team that can contend when Wall, Beal and (hopefully) Otto Porter are at their collective peak?

In a year when all the other rebuilding teams seem to have added outstanding young talent, we've done nothing at all of the kind. We're certainly not going to play badly enough with our current guys that we'll have any high draft picks to work with in the next 2 or 3 years.

Fine. So be it. We've achieved the desired FO goal: "mediocrity now!" And if we add some more end-stopped players from that list, we won't be helping or hurting our mediocrity.

What if we did something completely different? What if we looked for as much very young and very cheap talent as we can possibly stuff into the back of our roster? Start with Khem Birch. It's at least possible that he'll become an outstanding NBA player. Can't say that of anyone on your list. Deonte Burton too -- why not?

If we don't add 3 or more talented and young players to our core in the next 18 months, we'll be rebuilding again soon. You can only add so many bandaids.

I could be wrong of course -- no problem; I hope I am -- but I'm having trouble seeing how. Except if somehow we trade Nene for young talent (can't see why that would happen). Or we bring in a guy like Anthony Randolph -- and suddenly he plays to the level of his talent (can't see why that would happen either!). Charles Garcia on our SL team is sort of like Randolph too.

[TGW]

Question on the TPE....can we combine a first rounder and the TPE for Monroe and then sign him to a long term contract?

[hands11]

Pretty satisfied with the way this season's roster is shaping up.

It's getting harder for me to play armchair GM when the roster starts getting filled with good players.

Hmmm

This is the same team as last year only we have PP instead of TA

At least by the moves we have made so far.

[stevemcqueen1]

Probasketballtalk has the Bucks aggressively shopping Ersan Ilyasova. It looks like Ersan would fit perfectly into Ariza's trade exception and his contract can be voided in 2 years when we want to pursue Durant. Too much of a no brainier? Ersan overlaps a bit with PP, if PP is being used as a stretch 4, but would look good in the second unit with Porter.

I really think Pierce plays the bulk of his minutes at SF because that's his natural position and because of the presence of Nene. I don't think he'd block Ersan. Ersan can play a lot of minutes at PF.

Ersan is a high quality role player. Getting him would be pretty impactful. Add him with just the TPE and we'd have the deepest roster in the East by far IMO and be well positioned to win the conference next season. Seems like the Bucks would be looking for players though.

PP, Nene, Miller, clearly not 30 MPG players any more. And Porter probably won't be yet. Depth is necessary. Though Ersan isn't a 30 MPG player either.

There would be something of a balancing act required for all the line up changes to accommodate guys playing reduced minutes.

But I am 100% for trading for him if we're not even talking about giving up any of our good players for him.

[gambitx777]

I do not like Ersan Ilyasova, He is streaky and he has health issues of his own, not to mention that there is suspicion that he is significantly older than he says he is. He is not a high character guy either. There are just a lot of risk factors in taking him. I would rather split up our exceptions and bring in a couple of players instead of blowing it all on Ersan.

[deneem4]

I do not like Ersan Ilyasova, He is streaky and he has health issues of his own, not to mention that there is suspicion that he is significantly older than he says he is. He is not a high character guy either. There are just a lot of risk factors in taking him. I would rather split up our exceptions and bring in a couple of players instead of blowing it all on Ersan.

Per 36min
in the 11- 12 season
Ersan - 17/11.5/1.5 assists .9 steal 1 block/49%fg/45% 3pt
Player b - 24/12.3/1.9 assists .8 steals .5 block/44%fg/37% 3pt

Ersan is an exceptional role player...will be perfect stretch 4 with wall.

[verbal8]

Question on the TPE....can we combine a first rounder and the TPE for Monroe and then sign him to a long term contract?

The market for Monroe might be softer than expected, but he won't have to settle for a contract under $9 million (the size of the Wizards TPE). A TPE can not be combined with a player or another TPE in a trade for a higher salary player.

Theoretically a player could be dumped to the Wizards and flipped to the Pistons for a S&T around 12 million, but I don't see that as very likely.

[fishercob]

This list hasn't been updated yet, but at quick glance the Ariza TPE is one of the largest -- if not the single largest -- active TPE right now.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-t ... xceptions/

[Jay81]

Question on the TPE....can we combine a first rounder and the TPE for Monroe and then sign him to a long term contract?

you do realize that Ernie didnt know what a TPE even was till a few days ago

[Severn Hoos]

So what about a massive, multi-team, multi-transaction makeover to finalize the roster for the next two years and optimize our space in 2016?

Satoransky & future 2nd for Ilyasova (using Ariza TPE)
Webster and highly protected 1st (prefer multiple seconds and cash?) for a nominal asset to a team with cap space*
Use TPE acquired from Webster deal to get Blair for 2 years, $7M
Withdraw Seraphin's QO

* Obviously, this is the trickiest part of the equation. First, to find a team with cap space still available, then to convince them they want Webster. And I think I have it right, we would get a TPE in that scenario, correct?

That would leave us with:

Wall/Miller/??
Beal/Rice/??
Porter/Pierce/??
Nene/Ilyasova/Birch
Gortat/Blair/Gooden

Lots of mix 'n match there, obviously - Nene at C, Pierce at PF, Rice at SF, Blair at PF, etc.

Ideally, if they could use the Maynor TPE to get a non-embarrassing PG or combo guard, that would fill up the roster.

I have no idea if I just blew through the luxury tax limit, or even if the transactions are legal under the CBA, let alone theoretically possible given other teams' involvement. But I'd really like to watch that team for the next season or two, then go into '16 offseason with only Wall, Beal, Porter, Rice, Gortat, and the intervening drat picks.

[Illmatic12]

Moving this from another thread discussing the TPE:

Yep, that's what I thought. Looking at available options if we were to go half/half on different positions (both from a numbers perspective, and from a likelihood the other team might want to trade them), here's what I've come up with so far:

Bigs
A. Kirilenko - $3.32M
Darrell Arthur - $3.45
Jonas Jerebko - $4.5M
M.Speights - $3.65M
Chris Copeland - $3.13M
Z. Pachulia - $5.2M
Chuck Hayes - $5.9M


Guards
Gary Neal - $3.25M
Mike Dunleavy - $3.32M
Randy Foye - $3.0M
C. Delfino - $3.25M
A. Shved - $3.28M
Jason Terry - $5.85M

Not saying I'm in love with all of those names, but there are some decent ones in there.

All of those guys are on 1 or 2 year deals, and in most cases we could mix/match one from each category to end up with two guys to fill out the bench.

And what would those 2 guys, whichever you prefer to name, what would they do for our team? Would they take us deeper into the playoffs? I don't think you'd claim that. Would any of them help build our "young core?" Well, no. So... why do we want them? Any of them?

I am delighted we recovered from losing Ariza by signing Pierce for 2 years. But, has anyone at all noticed that the three most recent players we've added are almost 120 years old? (113 to be exact)

Other than Wall and Beal, what players does our FO feel sure, rightly or wrongly, they can count on? There are 5 of them: Gortat, Pierce, Gooden, Miller and Nene. Total age? 170 years: average age = 34 years old. We've become an old team, and in a big hurry.

Aside from Gortat, the other four combined are signed for a total of 6 years -- i.e. an average of 1.5 years. In principle, obviously, that's a good thing. But, for those who aren't lulling themselves into dreamland with a vision of Kevin Durant riding in on his cloud to save us, exactly how might we build a team that can contend when Wall, Beal and (hopefully) Otto Porter are at their collective peak?

In a year when all the other rebuilding teams seem to have added outstanding young talent, we've done nothing at all of the kind. We're certainly not going to play badly enough with our current guys that we'll have any high draft picks to work with in the next 2 or 3 years.

Fine. So be it. We've achieved the desired FO goal: "mediocrity now!" And if we add some more end-stopped players from that list, we won't be helping or hurting our mediocrity.

What if we did something completely different? What if we looked for as much very young and very cheap talent as we can possibly stuff into the back of our roster? Start with Khem Birch. It's at least possible that he'll become an outstanding NBA player. Can't say that of anyone on your list. Deonte Burton too -- why not?

If we don't add 3 or more talented and young players to our core in the next 18 months, we'll be rebuilding again soon. You can only add so many bandaids.

I could be wrong of course -- no problem; I hope I am -- but I'm having trouble seeing how. Except if somehow we trade Nene for young talent (can't see why that would happen). Or we bring in a guy like Anthony Randolph -- and suddenly he plays to the level of his talent (can't see why that would happen either!). Charles Garcia on our SL team is sort of like Randolph too.

We have young talent.. Wall, Beal, Porter, Rice, and as you said Birch if we sign him. Rice Jr in particular, has easily been one of the best wing players in SL. Don't underrate him-- if we were to shop him, you'd better believe plenty of teams would be interested. He can be part of our core.

And we're either going to be bringing Booker back, or replacing him with Dajuan Blair. Both young bigs with upside as quality role players.

A lot can happen in a short period of time. Young players with upside are made available all the time, and if EG continues to be this aggressive about upgrading our roster don't be surprised to see us in the mix for some of them.

[rockymac52]

How do we feel about Ian Mahinmi as a trade candidate using the Ariza TPE?

My thinking is that he's a quality big who can play defense and isn't inept on offense, on a fairly reasonable contract, and most importantly, there's reason to believe the Pacers would be interested in trading him for basically nothing in return. I"m sure they like Mahinmi as a player, but they have serious salary cap issues right now, and there's a very real possibility that they will cause them to lose Lance Stephenson for nothing in return if they don't act quickly. If they trade Mahinmi, all of a sudden they can offer Lance a few extra million dollars a year, and he'll re-sign and they can stay under the luxury tax. They refuse to go over the luxury tax, even if it means losing Lance for nothing (at least that's what it seems like).

Maybe there are sexier options to acquire, but if this is who we ended up with, I definitely wouldn't be upset at all. He'd be a great backup big man getting 20 MPG or so.

[Ruzious]

How do we feel about Ian Mahinmi as a trade candidate using the Ariza TPE?

My thinking is that he's a quality big who can play defense and isn't inept on offense, on a fairly reasonable contract, and most importantly, there's reason to believe the Pacers would be interested in trading him for basically nothing in return. I"m sure they like Mahinmi as a player, but they have serious salary cap issues right now, and there's a very real possibility that they will cause them to lose Lance Stephenson for nothing in return if they don't act quickly. If they trade Mahinmi, all of a sudden they can offer Lance a few extra million dollars a year, and he'll re-sign and they can stay under the luxury tax. They refuse to go over the luxury tax, even if it means losing Lance for nothing (at least that's what it seems like).

Maybe there are sexier options to acquire, but if this is who we ended up with, I definitely wouldn't be upset at all. He'd be a great backup big man getting 20 MPG or so.

His stats are pretty bad - low efficiency and very low production.

Kudos for having that contract information on Webster. I'm impressed.

[Ruzious]

Probasketballtalk has the Bucks aggressively shopping Ersan Ilyasova. It looks like Ersan would fit perfectly into Ariza's trade exception and his contract can be voided in 2 years when we want to pursue Durant. Too much of a no brainier? Ersan overlaps a bit with PP, if PP is being used as a stretch 4, but would look good in the second unit with Porter.

This seems to be the name getting the most play for the Wizards TPE. He'd be nice insurance given Nene's fragility. Has 3 years left on his deal, but only 2 years are guaranteed. IMO the roster would look pretty nice with Blair instead of Seraphin, and Ilyasova in place of Booker. Bucks are looking for PG, perhaps we can work a deal of Satoransky with our TPE.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2014/7/13 ... ds-rockets

http://www.chatsports.com/milwaukee-buc ... 1-10092712

https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/ ... 8787457025

http://www.chatsports.com/milwaukee-buc ... 2-10091961

Center- Gortat, Nene, Blair
PF - Nene, Ilyasova, Gooden
SF - Pierce, Porter, Webster

That's a pretty solid frontcourt. Small ball options with Ilyasova at C and Pierce at PF, etc. Got scoring, high effort and IQ, rebounding.

Milwaukee has about 10 million in cap space, and dumping Ilyasova could get them enough for a junior max contract (Bledsoe).

I agree with Nate's point about Ilyasova not being needed because of Pierce's presence, but the question is - are the Wiz smart enough to use Pierce primarily at the 4? I think the answer is no. If that's the case, Ilyasova could be a big help to the Wiz for 2 seasons.

[Celts17Pride]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

[popper]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

I've always liked Bass and a one year deal works for me.

[TGW]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

It's not bad. I think the pick should be coming to Washington though.

[Celts17Pride]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

It's not bad. I think the pick should be coming to Washington though.

Then why do the Celtics bother?

[popper]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

It's not bad. I think the pick should be coming to Washington though.

Then why do the Celtics bother?

To help the tank.

[TGW]

As a Celtics fan something for your consideration.

Brandon Bass (1 year $6.9 million) for TPE and highly protected pick or 2nd round pick(s). Played with Pierce. Solid pro, solid player on a one year deal.

Just a thought.

It's not bad. I think the pick should be coming to Washington though.

Then why do the Celtics bother?

To get rid of 7 mil of the books. That's a lot of money for an owner, and the Wizards would be doing the Celtics a favor.