Political Roundtable - Part VI

[Zonkerbl]

I'm not even mad at the Republicans now. But if you want to be in charge you have to stop being a$$holes. Quit racebaiting Obama and come up with some real solutions that are good for everyone and not just billionaires. I don't mind the philosophy - just the behavior.

[nate33]

Yeah, those evil racist Republicans keep using scary race tactics to energize their voter base:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLq6CyzAqd4[/youtube]

[dckingsfan]

I'm not even mad at the Republicans now. But if you want to be in charge you have to stop being a$$holes. Quit racebaiting Obama and come up with some real solutions that are good for everyone and not just billionaires. I don't mind the philosophy - just the behavior.

I might be on the other side of this... what I don't like is government overreach. I think that both the Rs and the Ds have done the same thing. Block all meaningful reform. I don't see it limited to the Rs in the house. I see it the same way with the Ds in the senate.

Start with the two most important reforms we need to work on (tax reform and entitlements) and both were blocked in the Senate - no vote, no debate.

Don't get me wrong - I see shutting down government as even more ridiculously stupid. And not taking on immigration reform is hurting the Rs constituents.

And the Obama administration - ugh.

So, I see the yoyo effect as being who is governing the worse. Neither party has done a good job in the last 15-16 years to be sure.

[Zonkerbl]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Republican+Voter+Suppression

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+birth+certificate

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+muslim

[nate33]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Republican+Voter+Suppression

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+birth+certificate

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+muslim

I don't buy the notion that Republican efforts to curb voter fraud is the same thing as voter suppression.

According to this audit by the North Carolina Elections Oversight Committee, at least 81 dead people have been voting from the grave, and more than 35,000 people with matching full names and dates of birth voted in both North Carolina and another state in the 2012 general election. To put that number in context, Barack Obama carried North Carolina by fewer than 15,000 votes in 2008. Double voting, needless to say, is a crime. Furthermore, state officials were only able to cross check their rolls and voter activity records with 28 other states, leaving loads of potential data missing.

link

And to your other links, Obama isn't even on the ballot. Nobody is talking about him anymore.

[Zonkerbl]

Now I'm confused Nate. I posted a request for Republicans to stop racebaiting Obama and you responded with a voter suppression post that had nothing to do with what I said.

Ok, so either you are trying to steer the conversation towards voter suppression, which I strongly encourage because you will lose that argument, or you are responding to my original post, which you will also lose.

Pick one, let's rumble.

[nate33]

Can you find me an example of Republicans "racebaiting" Obama in this calendar year before we start arguing about how it relates to this election cycle.

The notion that mainstream Republicans in general are attacking Obama on the basis of his race is absurd. There may be some fringe wackos in the deep South who are doing so, but as a national party, Republicans are scared to death of criticizing Obama in any way that can be even remotely characterized as racist. Of course, Democrats and the mainstream media will take ANY criticism of Obama's agenda and cast it as a racist attack.

For 6 years, Obama and his administration have been using his race as a suit of armor to prevent any criticism. For goodness sake, Eric Holder is perhaps the worst, most corrupt, and most incompetent attorney general in the nation's history and he's still in office. And Obama is going to do amnesty by executive fiat because he knows the Republicans don't have the balls to impeach him because they're afraid to be labeled racist.

[dckingsfan]

From an independent point of view, I think the Obama administration has been so bad that the Rs haven't needed to go to the race baiting. I haven't seen any of that this year - but I wouldn't put it past some of the Rs.

[Induveca]

Is it just me or were race relations better before the current administration? I'll say I'm highly disappointed in the promise of hope etc. Culture of zero cooperation, both sides blame it on each other.

End of the day, Obama was a complete failure as a president........as well as the House and Senate. Zero leadership.

[fishercob]

Is it just me or were race relations better before the current administration? I'll say I'm highly disappointed in the promise of hope etc. Culture of zero cooperation, both sides blame it on each other.

End of the day, Obama was a complete failure as a president........as well as the House and Senate. Zero leadership.

Yes, race relations were better before black people got all uppity and started holding positions of elected office.

[Induveca]

Is it just me or were race relations better before the current administration? I'll say I'm highly disappointed in the promise of hope etc. Culture of zero cooperation, both sides blame it on each other.

End of the day, Obama was a complete failure as a president........as well as the House and Senate. Zero leadership.

Yes, race relations were better before black people got all uppity and started holding positions of elected office.

Oh Jesus. Why race? First time around his election was quite inspiring. It's just been a train wreck.

After 7-8 years the race card has to go. It shouldn't have been there beyond a year regardless, I don't want people supporting me if I'm failing due to white guilt.

It's insulting. The past 6 years especially have been disastrous on many levels in the US. For the first 4 years "Blame Bush" was the vibe, 2 years after that "they house won't cooperate with Obama because he is black" vibe and now it's "let me hide because I hurt my own party/legacy mode".

To defend yourself at the highest level of leadership with a race card, and/or allow your cabinet to do so.....it's certainly self serving politics. But it flies in the face of moving things towards mental equality. it has actually set things back significantly.


Again 2003 or so, the business climate for a Hispanic/black man in the US was far easier. A culture of idiotic "white guilt" now permeates my businesses.

I don't like answering questions about my race. It's irrelevant to the product I sell.

[fishercob]

Is it just me or were race relations better before the current administration? I'll say I'm highly disappointed in the promise of hope etc. Culture of zero cooperation, both sides blame it on each other.

End of the day, Obama was a complete failure as a president........as well as the House and Senate. Zero leadership.

Yes, race relations were better before black people got all uppity and started holding positions of elected office.

Oh Jesus. Why race? First time around his election was quite inspiring. It's just been a train wreck.

After 7-8 years the race card has to go. It shouldn't have been there beyond a year regardless, I don't want people supporting me if I'm failing due to white guilt.

It's insulting. The past 6 years especially have been disastrous on many levels in the US. For the first 4 years "Blame Bush" was the vibe, 2 years after that "they house won't cooperate with Obama because he is black" vibe and now it's "let me hide because I hurt my own party/legacy mode".

To defend yourself at the highest level of leadership with a race card, and/or allow your cabinet to do so.....it's certainly self serving politics. But it flies in the face of moving things towards mental equality. it has actually set things back significantly.


Again 2003 or so, the business climate for a Hispanic/black man in the US was far easier. A culture of idiotic "white guilt" now permeates my businesses.

I don't like answering questions about my race. It's irrelevant to the product I sell.

Why race? You asked the question.

[Induveca]

Yes, race relations were better before black people got all uppity and started holding positions of elected office.

Oh Jesus. Why race? First time around his election was quite inspiring. It's just been a train wreck.

After 7-8 years the race card has to go. It shouldn't have been there beyond a year regardless, I don't want people supporting me if I'm failing due to white guilt.

It's insulting. The past 6 years especially have been disastrous on many levels in the US. For the first 4 years "Blame Bush" was the vibe, 2 years after that "they house won't cooperate with Obama because he is black" vibe and now it's "let me hide because I hurt my own party/legacy mode".

To defend yourself at the highest level of leadership with a race card, and/or allow your cabinet to do so.....it's certainly self serving politics. But it flies in the face of moving things towards mental equality. it has actually set things back significantly.


Again 2003 or so, the business climate for a Hispanic/black man in the US was far easier. A culture of idiotic "white guilt" now permeates my businesses.

I don't like answering questions about my race. It's irrelevant to the product I sell.

Why race? You asked the question.

Rhetorical. But I attempted to retort your implied excuse.

You're an intelligent guy, do you truly believe a failed two term presidency should be forgiven based on his race?

Have you ever considered, while highly intelligent, his lack of persuasion/leadership skills were the issue? I could always say based on any response, "because I'm black" you don't understand me so I'm right. THAT vibe reminds me of the early 90s, it's sickening that things have regressed to that level.

[W. Unseld]

Are there really no issues other than race to debate here? This is getting as bad as the Kirk Cousins v. RG3 debate--here's a hint--neither are very good right now.

[fishercob]

Oh Jesus. Why race? First time around his election was quite inspiring. It's just been a train wreck.

After 7-8 years the race card has to go. It shouldn't have been there beyond a year regardless, I don't want people supporting me if I'm failing due to white guilt.

It's insulting. The past 6 years especially have been disastrous on many levels in the US. For the first 4 years "Blame Bush" was the vibe, 2 years after that "they house won't cooperate with Obama because he is black" vibe and now it's "let me hide because I hurt my own party/legacy mode".

To defend yourself at the highest level of leadership with a race card, and/or allow your cabinet to do so.....it's certainly self serving politics. But it flies in the face of moving things towards mental equality. it has actually set things back significantly.


Again 2003 or so, the business climate for a Hispanic/black man in the US was far easier. A culture of idiotic "white guilt" now permeates my businesses.

I don't like answering questions about my race. It's irrelevant to the product I sell.

Why race? You asked the question.

Rhetorical. But I attempted to retort your implied excuse.

You're an intelligent guy, do you truly believe a failed two term presidency should be forgiven based on his race?

No, I don't think any political failures should be "forgiven" on the basis of race -- but that's not what you asked. You asked about race relations.

It's a little bit of a "boy who cried wolf" problem for the Republicans in office and in the press. When you treat The President with complete disdain and disrespect -- be it "you lie!!" during the State of the F*cking Union, constantly referring to his his middle name derisively, or this, this, this, etc. -- it becomes a little harder for me to take your legitimate criticisms seriously. If every thing he's said or done is the worst thing EVER in the HISTORY of things and this Great Country, it's tough to figure out what's worth listening to and what's histrionics.

If history regards Obama as a terrible President, kudos to the GOP. It was their loudly stated goal to make his presidency a failure. They've done everything possible to obstruct meaningful progress -- including shutting down the government -- rather than finding areas of compromise. They boxed Obama into a corner; his choices were to do nothing and be labeled ineffectual, or to work around their obstructionism and be labeled a dictator.

As to race relations, I think they're pretty bad. The racism directed Obama hasn't helped. Trayvon Martin and Ferguson have hurt a lot too.

[nate33]

It's a little bit of a "boy who cried wolf" problem for the Republicans in office and in the press. When you treat The President with complete disdain and disrespect -- be it "you lie!!" during the State of the F*cking Union,

Gimme a freakin' break. It was Obama who was WAY out of line there, chastising the Supreme Court in the middle of a State of the Union Address. No other president in recent memory was so crass.

constantly referring to his his middle name derisively, or this, this, this, etc. -- it becomes a little harder for me to take your legitimate criticisms seriously.

Seriously? That's the best you could come up with? Out of a hundred million Republicans, you can find one random protestor, some low level California county GOP party member, and some Arizona radio host that nobody has ever head of? This absolutely pales in comparison to the abuse Bush took by much more prominent Democrats.

[popper]

I don't understand the problem with the concept that "I want progressive policy initiatives, directed by Pres. Obama" to fail (preferably before there're implemented). With one or two exceptions, I think most all of his policy initiatives have failed or will fail in the next year or two. I wish Bush had failed in his request to get congress' permission to attack Iraq. I don't get it.

Now if Obama had pushed for charter schools or some other policy that conservatives support then we would have wished for his success.

[Higga]

No matter who you support, don't forget to VOTE today.

[nate33]

No matter who you support, don't forget to VOTE today.

Correction: tomorrow. Democrat supporters are supposed to vote tomorrow.

[Nivek]

I don't understand the problem with the concept that "I want progressive policy initiatives, directed by Pres. Obama" to fail (preferably before there're implemented). With one or two exceptions, I think most all of his policy initiatives have failed or will fail in the next year or two. I wish Bush had failed in his request to get congress' permission to attack Iraq. I don't get it.

Now if Obama had pushed for charter schools or some other policy that conservatives support then we would have wished for his success.

The Affordable Care Act is a collection of conservative ideas. It grew out of conservative think tanks. Much the same program was implemented in Massachusetts by a Republican governor, who became the GOP's nominee for president in 2012. How many times have House Republicans voted to repeal it?