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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#81 » by tontoz » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:27 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Cherry picking advanced stats does not mean much. I am not a fave of TS% half those people don't even play half his minutes. Its not a good stat imo. Open up the game logs, watch the games. He is playing well. No stupid advanced stat can argue that.


Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#82 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:55 pm

tontoz wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Cherry picking advanced stats does not mean much. I am not a fave of TS% half those people don't even play half his minutes. Its not a good stat imo. Open up the game logs, watch the games. He is playing well. No stupid advanced stat can argue that.


Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.

I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on. Im not saying that he could not move to the bench if we brought in another player, but Morris belongs here is can play the game.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#83 » by tontoz » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:09 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Cherry picking advanced stats does not mean much. I am not a fave of TS% half those people don't even play half his minutes. Its not a good stat imo. Open up the game logs, watch the games. He is playing well. No stupid advanced stat can argue that.


Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.

I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on.


:nonono:


He is not shooting better than Wall or especially Beal. W the actual F.

Wall is shooting 49.7% on 2 pt shots, 32.1% on 3s.
Beal is shooting 50% on 2s, 39.4% on 3s.
Morris is shooting 47.5% on 2s, 32.3% on 3s.

Morris is shooting worse than both. Period. What makes it even more of a problem is that he is a big. Bigs typically shoot better on 2s than guards. Plus Wall has the ball in his hands the most so is the most likely to be taking desperation heaves at the end of the clock.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#84 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:54 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Cherry picking advanced stats does not mean much. I am not a fave of TS% half those people don't even play half his minutes. Its not a good stat imo. Open up the game logs, watch the games. He is playing well. No stupid advanced stat can argue that.


Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.

I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on. Im not saying that he could not move to the bench if we brought in another player, but Morris belongs here is can play the game.

He's crushing you with actual numbers/stats and all you can come back with is he hates Morris?
Just let it go. Morris should never be starting for a team with playoff aspirations. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#85 » by Meliorus » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:59 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.

I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on. Im not saying that he could not move to the bench if we brought in another player, but Morris belongs here is can play the game.

He's crushing you with actual numbers/stats and all you can come back with is he hates Morris?
Just let it go. Morris should never be starting for a team with playoff aspirations. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.


Eye test guys. Markieff is the poster boy for the player who has flashes of excellence, bringing about a false sense of reassurance. I'd say Ted & Ernie have fallen into the same trap.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#86 » by payitforward » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:39 pm

nate33 wrote:Better than Wall:
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Lowry
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Worse than Wall:
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Lowry
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Hedging your bets, huh? :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#87 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:19 pm

payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:Better than Wall:
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Lowry
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Worse than Wall:
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Lowry
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Hedging your bets, huh? :)


:oops:

Oops. I meant Kemba Walker in the "worse than" column.
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Post#88 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:54 pm

DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Morris wouldn't be playing many minutes on many of those teams either.

I have watched all the games. Morris isn't good. There are no stats, advanced or not, that point to Morris being a good player. He shoots poorly from everywhere except the foul line, and he only gets to the foul line 3 times a game. He averages only 7.3 rebounds per 36 minutes which sucks for a big.

Not only does he shoot poorly but he shoots a lot. He shoots more than Porter and far more than Gortat in spite of playing fewer minutes.

I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on. Im not saying that he could not move to the bench if we brought in another player, but Morris belongs here is can play the game.

He's crushing you with actual numbers/stats and all you can come back with is he hates Morris?
Just let it go. Morris should never be starting for a team with playoff aspirations. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.

We have playoff aspirations lol. Who is our starting PF..... Morris lol.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#89 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:02 am

gambitx777 wrote:
DANNYLANDOVER wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I don't know why you hate this kid so much, He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. he take 1 more shot per game than porter, He is actually shooting better than wall and beal right now. Morris is not a bad player, and he is improving as the season goes on. Im not saying that he could not move to the bench if we brought in another player, but Morris belongs here is can play the game.

He's crushing you with actual numbers/stats and all you can come back with is he hates Morris?
Just let it go. Morris should never be starting for a team with playoff aspirations. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.

We have playoff aspirations lol. Who is our starting PF..... Morris lol.



And he shouldn't be our starting 4 because he is a bad player. Pretty much any team with a winning record has a better starting 4.
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Post#90 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:47 am

tontoz wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:
DANNYLANDOVER wrote:He's crushing you with actual numbers/stats and all you can come back with is he hates Morris?
Just let it go. Morris should never be starting for a team with playoff aspirations. I'm not sure what games you've been watching.

We have playoff aspirations lol. Who is our starting PF..... Morris lol.



And he shouldn't be our starting 4 because he is a bad player. Pretty much any team with a winning record has a better starting 4.

Anthony bennett is a bad player, Morris is not. I am not saying he is Wilt Chamberlain. I am not saying he is the best starter in the league. But ****, he's not a "bad" Player. If you have seriously watched the games, looked at his actual numbers, you can't say hes bad. I'm not saying he is amazing. but Not bad. If you don't like him as a player that's one thing, that's an opinion. But don't disrespect the dude, who has been playing really hard, and doing really well the last couple months getting better and playing well, by calling him bad.
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Post#91 » by tontoz » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:56 am

gambitx777 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:We have playoff aspirations lol. Who is our starting PF..... Morris lol.



And he shouldn't be our starting 4 because he is a bad player. Pretty much any team with a winning record has a better starting 4.

Anthony bennett is a bad player, Morris is not. I am not saying he is Wilt Chamberlain. I am not saying he is the best starter in the league. But ****, he's not a "bad" Player. If you have seriously watched the games, looked at his actual numbers, you can't say hes bad. I'm not saying he is amazing. but Not bad. If you don't like him as a player that's one thing, that's an opinion. But don't disrespect the dude, who has been playing really hard, and doing really well the last couple months getting better and playing well, by calling him bad.



It is very easy to say he is a bad player because his numbers say he is a bad player. Bad/frequent shooter, black hole, turnover prone and bad rebounder. Sure he has played better lately but all the games count. Overall this season he has been bad, by far our weakest starter.

If he can start making 3s consistently then his value would certainly go up. His love of 2 pt jumpers is a big reason why he is a drag on the offense.
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Post#92 » by deneem4 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:58 am

Gortat, Jackson to min
Bazz, Rubio to Detroit
Marcus morris, dieng to wizards
Maybe a 2019 1st to Detroit as well
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Post#93 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:34 am

Morris played through foot injuries early in the season. He's probably playing better now because it healed. He's not a bad player, he's average. You aren't going to get a stud at every position, you live with average. Especially in your front court. And there are good teams that are absolutely starting worse in their front court. Zaza Pachulia starts for the Warriors and Pascal Siakam starts for the Raptors. Tristan Thompson is no great shakes either and he costs twice as much as Morris. Keef isn't our problem. The bench is. Jason Smith has been our most reliable bench option on the season, that tells you everything you need to know about how bad it has been. We've had somewhere between a five and seven man roster throughout the first half and it's killing us. We can't trust anyone except our starters.

If we could bring in an upgrade over Keef at the PF position at a sensible cost, then great. But upgrading him isn't a priority and the most direct and least costly way to make improvements in our net performance is to find upgrades for our bench.
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Post#94 » by dangermouse » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:18 am

deneem4 wrote:Gortat, Jackson to min
Bazz, Rubio to Detroit
Marcus morris, dieng to wizards
Maybe a 2019 1st to Detroit as well


Dieng is the prize here, but, Gortat is better than Morris and Dieng. I'd do this if Mahinmi comes back and makes an immediate impact.

I'd then start Mahinmi and Keef, and have Dieng and Marcus off the bench, or Smith and Dieng if Marcus is playing bad.

I;d even have Keef and Marcus swap jersey;s sometimes just to confuse the opposition.
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Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Post#95 » by dangermouse » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:37 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Morris played through foot injuries early in the season. He's probably playing better now because it healed. He's not a bad player, he's average. You aren't going to get a stud at every position, you live with average. Especially in your front court. And there are good teams that are absolutely starting worse in their front court. Zaza Pachulia starts for the Warriors and Pascal Siakam starts for the Raptors. Tristan Thompson is no great shakes either and he costs twice as much as Morris. Keef isn't our problem. The bench is. Jason Smith has been our most reliable bench option on the season, that tells you everything you need to know about how bad it has been. We've had somewhere between a five and seven man roster throughout the first half and it's killing us. We can't trust anyone except our starters.

If we could bring in an upgrade over Keef at the PF position at a sensible cost, then great. But upgrading him isn't a priority and the most direct and least costly way to make improvements in our net performance is to find upgrades for our bench.


I tend to agree, and I also think Morris is an "average" player. At his contract $ you arent going to find much better that isnt a rookie deal.

However based on our roster and our need for rebounding, I actually think upgrading the front court should be a priority if we want to win. Whether that means finding someone to replace or start in front of Morris, or finding someone to replace Gortat. Either way, its a glaring weakness.

That and the neverending quest for a decent backup PG that can score.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Post#96 » by Ducklett » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:51 pm

Yall trying to get into bed with Ibaka?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#97 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:22 pm

Ducklett wrote:Yall trying to get into bed with Ibaka?


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Post#98 » by psimanic1 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:37 pm

What would it take for Denver to get Oubre from you guys? Any realistic trade where we don't give up any of Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Harris? We kinda need young SF to pair with those guys.
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Post#99 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:04 pm

Ducklett wrote:Yall trying to get into bed with Ibaka?

We can't afford to pay his salary without going into the luxtax.
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Post#100 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:08 pm

psimanic1 wrote:What would it take for Denver to get Oubre from you guys? Any realistic trade where we don't give up any of Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Harris? We kinda need young SF to pair with those guys.

Something centered around Nurkic could conceivably work in terms of value. But since the Wizards already have 2 centers (Gortat and Mahinmi) I don't see them being interested at all in trading Oubre for another.

I don't see the Wizards trading Oubre at all. They see him as the SF of the future. Porter will shift to PF as he gets older and stronger.

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