Wizards 2019 Draft Thread - Part II

taj2133 · Post #81 » by **taj2133** » Thu May 23, 2019 5:04 pm

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Dat2U · Post #86 » by **Dat2U** » Thu May 23, 2019 5:12 pm

Culver's shot is literally a shot put. How he makes as many as he does is a testament to his touch but that shot is not going to work in the NBA. It's not consistent, the trajectory is slightly different on each shot and it takes too long to "load".

I generally like high IQ guys but he's gotta revamp that shot to have a chance.

Dat2U · Post #87 » by **Dat2U** » Thu May 23, 2019 5:31 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Per the Athletic, Hawks are targeting Sekou Doumbaya .. hopefully at #10 and not #8

4 locks in the top 8: Zion, Ja, R.J., Darius. I think we can safely forget about these guys.

3 other solid bets to go top 8: Coby, Jarrett, DeAndre. Coby White probably should be considered a lock, Phoenix & Chicago both need PGs so even Garland slips to six, Coby doesn't get past Chicago if they keep the pick. Cleveland & Atlanta need wings. I don't think Hunter gets by Atlanta at 8. Culver could go as high as 4 or if Phoenix or Chicago don't get a PG, they could settle for a player with secondary playmaking skills.

queridiculo · Post #88 » by **queridiculo** » Thu May 23, 2019 5:38 pm

Dat2U wrote:Culver's shot is literally a shot put. How he makes as many as he does is a testament to his touch but that shot is not going to work in the NBA. It's not consistent, the trajectory is slightly different on each shot and it takes too long to "load".

I generally like high IQ guys but he's gotta revamp that shot to have a chance.

Also, contrast with Keldon Johnson where his shot is coming from, he brings the ball down damn near to his knees.

Post #89 » by **Ruzious** » Thu May 23, 2019 6:00 pm

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Lol, is that the evidence - taking 5 unguarded jumpers from the exact same spot?

TGW · Post #90 » by **TGW** » Thu May 23, 2019 6:01 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Culver's shot is literally a shot put. How he makes as many as he does is a testament to his touch but that shot is not going to work in the NBA. It's not consistent, the trajectory is slightly different on each shot and it takes too long to "load".

I generally like high IQ guys but he's gotta revamp that shot to have a chance.

Also, contrast with Keldon Johnson where his shot is coming from, he brings the ball down damn near to his knees.

Yep, and that's a problem that pretty much can't be fixed. I had the same issue in high school...muscle memory would cause me to bring the ball down to my thighs before I shot it. My HS coach tried to get me to correct it, but it threw my shot off so he decided against it.

It's a mental thing more than a technique thing.

Post #91 » by **nate33** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:20 pm

Ruzious wrote:
taj2133 wrote:

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Lol, is that the evidence - taking 5 unguarded jumpers from the exact same spot?

Not only that, but it's a set shot, not a jumper. And he releases it from under his chin, not above the forehead. He is not going to get that shot off against any kind of defensive pressure.

Post #92 » by **nate33** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:20 pm

Keldon Johnson has a nice shooting stroke.

Post #93 » by **Ruzious** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:29 pm

trast66 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

Interesting point on Hawks and Celtics, very doubtful they keep all those picks. Hawks I see being agressive and want to go up from 8. 20 and 22 = 9 on draft value charts, if Celtics offered 14 and 22 would jump all over that. Unless Coby White falls to 9.

White is one of the players that could be the Wiz pick that I would stay away from. Part of that may be because I saw him when he wasn't at his best, but I really got the feeling that he's a low BBIQ player and he really doesn't stand out at anything. He's big, but his lack of length offsets that. He seems... athletic, but he's really not that explosive. He can get hot from outside, but I don't see him as a particularly effective 3 point shooter. He's not much of a playmaker. He is error-prone. And I didn't see him making his team better. If I had to compare him to someone, it'd be Jordan Clarkson.

tontoz · Post #94 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:51 pm

I don't pay much attention to drills. One day maybe 10 years ago I had a competition with a friend of mine shooting jumpers from the college 3.

We took turns shooting 10 shots each. I made 29 of 30. I didn't think I could do that but when you are shooting over and over from the same spot it is surprisingly easy.

I tried to reproduce that later on getting my own rebounds and never got close.

Post #95 » by **Ruzious** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:52 pm

nate33 wrote:Keldon Johnson has a nice shooting stroke.

Yup, and he's got the proverbial NBA body for a 2 - at 6'6 216, 6'9 wingspan. Very solid prospect. I'd actually take him over his teammate, Tyler Herro - who Dat really likes - because Johnson can be a more versatile matchup - particularly on defense. Herro's advantage is that he's more of an alpha type personality on the court. Hopefully Johnson develops more confidence and becomes a bit more aggressive and assertive. If the Wiz trade with Boston, he could be a player to target with the 20th pick.

payitforward · Post #96 » by **payitforward** » Thu May 23, 2019 7:57 pm

trast66 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
trast66 wrote:
Interesting point on Hawks and Celtics, very doubtful they keep all those picks. Hawks I see being agressive and want to go up from 8. 20 and 22 = 9 on draft value charts, if Celtics offered 14 and 22 would jump all over that. Unless Coby White falls to 9.

Where'd you find a chart that shows that kind of thing? I'd be interested to look at it.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2

Thanks....

According to this chart, we would have been able to trade our #6 (Vesely) in 2011 for the #15 (Kawhi), #30 (Butler), #55 (E'Twaun Moore), #60 (IT) & the #35 the following year (Draymond) (we'd need a 1 pt. discount for that last pick being a year away).

Sounds pretty fair to me!

Using this valuation system, in theory we could trade the #9 for #s 32-37 (six in a row). It'd be interesting to look at draft history to see how often the #9 guy was better than any 1 player taken 32-37. Not to mention other cases where there was more overall value in the set of R2 guys.

In 2012, Andre Drummond went #9. Trading the pick for #32-37, a team could have had Tomas Satoransky, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Will Barton & Kyle O'Quinn, then traded the #37 for the #50 in 2013 & the #52 in 2017, adding James Ennis & Monte Morris.

That's good, right? If we ever hire a GM, remind me to advise him of his good luck. But, since we may never hire one, we are reduced to posts of this kind!!!!!

payitforward · Post #97 » by **payitforward** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:01 pm

tontoz wrote:I don't pay much attention to drills. One day maybe 10 years ago I had a competition with a friend of mine shooting jumpers from the college 3.

We took turns shooting 10 shots each. I made 29 of 30. I didn't think I could do that but when you are shooting over and over from the same spot it is surprisingly easy. ...

You know what's weird? I tried that same thing, & I only made 4 out of 30. What do you think went wrong?

payitforward · Post #98 » by **payitforward** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:08 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:Keldon Johnson has a nice shooting stroke.

Yup, and he's got the proverbial NBA body for a 2 - at 6'6 216, 6'9 wingspan. Very solid prospect. I'd actually take him over his teammate, Tyler Herro - who Dat really likes - because Johnson can be a more versatile matchup - particularly on defense. Herro's advantage is that he's more of an alpha type personality on the court. Hopefully Johnson develops more confidence and becomes a bit more aggressive and assertive. If the Wiz trade with Boston, he could be a player to target with the 20th pick.

On the season, Keldon Johnson was a better player than Tyler Herro. Don't know how it looks if you track how the two freshmen developed over the season.

Post #99 » by **Ruzious** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:10 pm

payitforward wrote:
tontoz wrote:I don't pay much attention to drills. One day maybe 10 years ago I had a competition with a friend of mine shooting jumpers from the college 3.

We took turns shooting 10 shots each. I made 29 of 30. I didn't think I could do that but when you are shooting over and over from the same spot it is surprisingly easy. ...

You know what's weird? I tried that same thing, & I only made 4 out of 30. What do you think went wrong?

It's gotta be the shoes. Either that or Drake talking smack or AFM flashing when you were shooting.

DCZards · Post #100 » by **DCZards** » Thu May 23, 2019 8:57 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:Keldon Johnson has a nice shooting stroke.

Yup, and he's got the proverbial NBA body for a 2 - at 6'6 216, 6'9 wingspan. Very solid prospect. I'd actually take him over his teammate, Tyler Herro - who Dat really likes - because Johnson can be a more versatile matchup - particularly on defense. Herro's advantage is that he's more of an alpha type personality on the court. Hopefully Johnson develops more confidence and becomes a bit more aggressive and assertive. If the Wiz trade with Boston, he could be a player to target with the 20th pick.

I'm betting on P.J. Washington to turn out to be the best of the trio of Kentucky Wildcats who are expected to be first round picks. PJ is almost certain to be the first one of the three drafted. Most mocks I've seen have him going in the 12-18 range.

PJ is 2 inches taller than Johnson and has a 7.2 wingspan. He also dramatically improved his 3pt shooting last season.

I really liked the way Washington returned from missing the first couple of NCAA tournament games with an injury to play with aggressiveness and confidence...scoring 28 pts and pulling down 13 rebs in the loss to Auburn.