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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#81 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:04 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Otoh, Chandler Hutchison sounds like a fake name taken from a John Grisham novel.

He changed his name -- used to be Hutch Chandlerson.

He was going to change his first name to "Chuck," but he doesn't shoot enough.

Also was thinking of changing his first name to "Clutch," but he doesn't shoot well enough.

Mean (and poor spelling) people called him Clutz Chandlerson on his Twitter account, and that was the end of that. No wonder he took a sabbatical.

Not the kind of thing to upset a good-humored guy like Cluck Blanderson.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#82 » by montestewart » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:19 pm

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payitforward wrote:He changed his name -- used to be Hutch Chandlerson.

He was going to change his first name to "Chuck," but he doesn't shoot enough.

Also was thinking of changing his first name to "Clutch," but he doesn't shoot well enough.

Mean (and poor spelling) people called him Clutz Chandlerson on his Twitter account, and that was the end of that. No wonder he took a sabbatical.

Not the kind of thing to upset a good-humored guy like Cluck Blanderson.

I thought it was Cuck Blinderson.

This may well be the proverbial "final piece" to put the Wizards over the top. One team, one goal, ninth seed.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#83 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:41 pm

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Ruzious wrote:...Looking at the stats, he (Hutchison) definitely was not good as a rookie.

Look again, Ruz -- this time compare his defensive rebounds, offensive rebounds & turnovers to an average 3. He wasn't a scorer, but in every other way his numbers were exceptionally strong for a 3.

I'm not trying to make some big argument for how good Chandler Hutchison is. But he was a promising rookie & pretty good last year too.

The big question about him is this year... what went wrong for him in Chicago that they are hiding under "personal problem?" If that, whatever it is, can be straightened out, he can be a pretty productive NBA player.

Of course he had low to's; that's because he didn't do anything on offense. Guess what; if I played, I'd have low to's, because I'd never do anything either. Big deal that he averaged 7 rebounds per 36 - I don't know if he played PF as well as SF, and I don't know if he helped his team rebound. You have a tendency to put way too much weight on flat rebound #'s. Rebounding was the only # that stood out well. And if you ignore scoring, you're ignoring half the game and my point about playing 4 against 5. If I was playing, not only would you be giving me grats for low to's, you'd be saying what a smart player I am for not shooting. He flat out sucked as a rookie - which btw happens to a lot of rookies who later turn out to be good players. You'd be a great agent for Clutz... and me.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#84 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:44 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Mean (and poor spelling) people called him Clutz Chandlerson on his Twitter account, and that was the end of that. No wonder he took a sabbatical.

Not the kind of thing to upset a good-humored guy like Cluck Blanderson.

I thought it was Cuck Blinderson.

This may well be the proverbial "final piece" to put the Wizards over the top. One team, one goal, ninth seed.

Cuck Blinderson? Nah, that's the name of the lead official for tonight's game.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#86 » by Jimmy Recard » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:14 pm

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#87 » by FAH1223 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:25 pm

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#88 » by smoothSeph » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:34 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:I don't miss Troy Brown Jr. like most; he wasn't a Sheppard pick and he was just blah. At least from the highlights Hutchison looks like he'd play with a bit more aggression; Brown on the other hand played with no real aggression ever or sense of urgency no matter his situation.

If you can't stand out on the Wizards' teams of the past two seasons, then you probably have zero determination or aspiration to make your mark in this league.

Not exactly salivating over the trade but it is needed change, I'm hopeful that both bring some element that was previously lacking.

Exactly. And we just drafted Deni who is a younger but similar type player to TBJ. There was never room for the both of them.

Only thing you can be upset about IMO is wasting the draft pick, which isn't exactly true because we got back Gafford. The need for an athletic center is a lot more pressing than another facilitator anyway.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#89 » by Brothaman33 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:44 pm

Strolling over from the Bulls board.

A few things:

Hutchison has just been weird all year. We are not really sure what has been going on. They have been SUPER hush hush on why he has been out. I don't think its an injury or anything physical, maybe something mental, but its been confusing.

Good athlete, good in transition and can play the baseline fairly well. Long and skinny with pretty good defensive potential. He has always had 2 problems: 1. Cant stay healthy 2. Cant shoot.
We called him "young Pip" but...that may have been a bit much. If he can stay healthy for you guys he can be a slasher on offense with some defensive upside. Always seemed like a good kid who works hard. Hopefully he can stay on the floor.

Gafford is athletic as hell. But he has ZERO game outside of 5 feet. He cannot shoot, he cannot dribble, he cannot facilitate, he cannot pass. But he can run and jump. He had some major highlight dunks for us. Solid defensively, but he isnt thick enough to guard some of the bigger centers. Definitely will be a lob threat. He needs time to learn some of the nuances of the game. He can be a solid backup, rim running big with some time.

Really curious about Troy Brown Jr. Any insight is helpful.

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#90 » by Jimmy Recard » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:48 pm

Gafford freaking sucks :lol: what the hell are people in this thread smoking.

Of course we gave up the best player in the deal. And the youngest. It’s what we do. Troy is 21 years old ffs, still has good upside, is cheap and still had another year on his rookie deal but we gave up on him cause out moronic coach has no idea how to use him.

This **** organisation man :nonono: same old ****
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#91 » by FAH1223 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:49 pm

Brothaman33 wrote:Strolling over from the Bulls board.

A few things:

Hutchison has just been weird all year. We are not really sure what has been going on. They have been SUPER hush hush on why he has been out. I don't think its an injury or anything physical, maybe something mental, but its been confusing.

Good athlete, good in transition and can play the baseline fairly well. Long and skinny with pretty good defensive potential. He has always had 2 problems: 1. Cant stay healthy 2. Cant shoot.
We called him "young Pip" but...that may have been a bit much. If he can stay healthy for you guys he can be a slasher on offense with some defensive upside. Always seemed like a good kid who works hard. Hopefully he can stay on the floor.

Gafford is athletic as hell. But he has ZERO game outside of 5 feet. He cannot shoot, he cannot dribble, he cannot facilitate, he cannot pass. But he can run and jump. He had some major highlight dunks for us. Solid defensively, but he isnt thick enough to guard some of the bigger centers. Definitely will be a lob threat. He needs time to learn some of the nuances of the game. He can be a solid backup, rim running big with some time.

Really curious about Troy Brown Jr. Any insight is helpful.

Cheers.


Troy does a little bit of everything. Good facilitator, good rebounder, good basketball IQ. His shot mechanics are good but his percentages suck. He gives effort on defense but isn’t athletic.

He isn’t GREAT at anything.

He will thrive with a motion offense. If he can get his shot down pat and be good on team defense, he’ll be a solid rotation piece. He’s still so young.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#92 » by verbal8 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:03 am

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NatP4 wrote:Good for Wagner. He will help Boston a lot.


Eh, don't get this one for Boston.

Wagner is a poor mans Theis.


That literally is the reason for the deal, to get/keep the Celtics under the luxury tax. I think they also figure they can replace Theis' production on the buyout market.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#93 » by payitforward » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:03 am

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Ruzious wrote:...Looking at the stats, he (Hutchison) definitely was not good as a rookie.

Look again, Ruz -- this time compare his defensive rebounds, offensive rebounds & turnovers to an average 3. He wasn't a scorer, but in every other way his numbers were exceptionally strong for a 3.

I'm not trying to make some big argument for how good Chandler Hutchison is. But he was a promising rookie & pretty good last year too.

The big question about him is this year... what went wrong for him in Chicago that they are hiding under "personal problem?" If that, whatever it is, can be straightened out, he can be a pretty productive NBA player.

Of course he had low to's; that's because he didn't do anything on offense. Guess what; if I played, I'd have low to's, because I'd never do anything either. Big deal that he averaged 7 rebounds per 36 - I don't know if he played PF as well as SF, and I don't know if he helped his team rebound. You have a tendency to put way too much weight on flat rebound #'s. Rebounding was the only # that stood out well. And if you ignore scoring, you're ignoring half the game and my point about playing 4 against 5. If I was playing, not only would you be giving me grats for low to's, you'd be saying what a smart player I am for not shooting. He flat out sucked as a rookie - which btw happens to a lot of rookies who later turn out to be good players. You'd be a great agent for Clutz... and me.

You are so wrong, Ruz -- so very very wrong.

Bobby Hutcherson is a terrific player -- just ask Zards!
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#94 » by DCZards » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:23 am

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Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Look again, Ruz -- this time compare his defensive rebounds, offensive rebounds & turnovers to an average 3. He wasn't a scorer, but in every other way his numbers were exceptionally strong for a 3.

I'm not trying to make some big argument for how good Chandler Hutchison is. But he was a promising rookie & pretty good last year too.

The big question about him is this year... what went wrong for him in Chicago that they are hiding under "personal problem?" If that, whatever it is, can be straightened out, he can be a pretty productive NBA player.

Of course he had low to's; that's because he didn't do anything on offense. Guess what; if I played, I'd have low to's, because I'd never do anything either. Big deal that he averaged 7 rebounds per 36 - I don't know if he played PF as well as SF, and I don't know if he helped his team rebound. You have a tendency to put way too much weight on flat rebound #'s. Rebounding was the only # that stood out well. And if you ignore scoring, you're ignoring half the game and my point about playing 4 against 5. If I was playing, not only would you be giving me grats for low to's, you'd be saying what a smart player I am for not shooting. He flat out sucked as a rookie - which btw happens to a lot of rookies who later turn out to be good players. You'd be a great agent for Clutz... and me.

You are so wrong, Ruz -- so very very wrong.

Bobby Hutcherson is a terrific player -- just ask Zards!

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#95 » by WallToWall » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:55 am

Hutchinson... he literally cant shoot: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hutchch01/shooting/2020. He is 60% at the rim. AT THE RIM. And 30% everywhere else.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#96 » by Ruzious » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:57 am

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:Look again, Ruz -- this time compare his defensive rebounds, offensive rebounds & turnovers to an average 3. He wasn't a scorer, but in every other way his numbers were exceptionally strong for a 3.

I'm not trying to make some big argument for how good Chandler Hutchison is. But he was a promising rookie & pretty good last year too.

The big question about him is this year... what went wrong for him in Chicago that they are hiding under "personal problem?" If that, whatever it is, can be straightened out, he can be a pretty productive NBA player.

Of course he had low to's; that's because he didn't do anything on offense. Guess what; if I played, I'd have low to's, because I'd never do anything either. Big deal that he averaged 7 rebounds per 36 - I don't know if he played PF as well as SF, and I don't know if he helped his team rebound. You have a tendency to put way too much weight on flat rebound #'s. Rebounding was the only # that stood out well. And if you ignore scoring, you're ignoring half the game and my point about playing 4 against 5. If I was playing, not only would you be giving me grats for low to's, you'd be saying what a smart player I am for not shooting. He flat out sucked as a rookie - which btw happens to a lot of rookies who later turn out to be good players. You'd be a great agent for Clutz... and me.

You are so wrong, Ruz -- so very very wrong.

Bobby Hutcherson is a terrific player -- just ask Zards!

Oh, you mean Bobby Wilkerson from those great Indiana teams - with Kent Benson, um.. Quinn Bucker, and of course... Calbert Cheaney - yeah, that's it.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#97 » by Jimmy Recard » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:00 am

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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#98 » by closg00 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:37 am

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NatP4 wrote:Good for Wagner. He will help Boston a lot.


Eh, don't get this one for Boston.

Wagner is a poor mans Theis.


Theis is expiring, Mo is taller, weighs more, and can play stretch-4/5 off the bench, Mo may be the Celts only stretch 4/5
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#99 » by queridiculo » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:47 am

closg00 wrote:
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NatP4 wrote:Good for Wagner. He will help Boston a lot.


Eh, don't get this one for Boston.

Wagner is a poor mans Theis.


Theis is expiring, Mo is taller, weighs more, and can play stretch-4/5 off the bench, Mo may be the Celts only stretch 4/5


Mo is expiring, plays small and can’t defend anyone.

Theis is a much better player.
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Re: Wizards trade Brown and Wagner for Gafford and Hutchinson 

Post#100 » by logical_art » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:45 am

Brothaman33 wrote:Strolling over from the Bulls board.

A few things:

Hutchison has just been weird all year. We are not really sure what has been going on. They have been SUPER hush hush on why he has been out. I don't think its an injury or anything physical, maybe something mental, but its been confusing.

Good athlete, good in transition and can play the baseline fairly well. Long and skinny with pretty good defensive potential. He has always had 2 problems: 1. Cant stay healthy 2. Cant shoot.
We called him "young Pip" but...that may have been a bit much. If he can stay healthy for you guys he can be a slasher on offense with some defensive upside. Always seemed like a good kid who works hard. Hopefully he can stay on the floor.

Gafford is athletic as hell. But he has ZERO game outside of 5 feet. He cannot shoot, he cannot dribble, he cannot facilitate, he cannot pass. But he can run and jump. He had some major highlight dunks for us. Solid defensively, but he isnt thick enough to guard some of the bigger centers. Definitely will be a lob threat. He needs time to learn some of the nuances of the game. He can be a solid backup, rim running big with some time.

Really curious about Troy Brown Jr. Any insight is helpful.

Cheers.


Pretty good summary. I'll add that Gafford is a terrible rebounder. He's a good rim runner/finisher and protector though, which seems to be a good fit for the Wiz.

I liked TBJ a lot coming out. The Bulls need ball handlers so he might benefit from the change of scenery.

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